Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

The war in the Pacific was virtually entirely USN vs. IJN, once you get out of the earliest stages of the war. Put bluntly, the rest of the Allies are irrelevant to the Pacific Front.
I wouldn't say entirely irrelevant. Rana Mitter in The Forgotten Ally makes a compelling case, for example, that the fact that a good part of the IJA was stuck in the unwinnable Chinese quagmire was important to the island campaigns.


But anyways: if Sky puts in a Japanese admiral, it's only because he intends on making that poor fellow suffer because he is literally stuck in the worst possible situation ever. I don't speak for Sly but I think it would be, uh, thematically off. Every other admiral would be trying to do something to save their girls and salvage something from their nation; the Japanese admiral would be getting drunk off his ass as he realises that everything he does either prolongs the war, getting a third city nuked, or gets him assassinated.
 
I wouldn't say entirely irrelevant. Rana Mitter in The Forgotten Ally makes a compelling case, for example, that the fact that a good part of the IJA was stuck in the unwinnable Chinese quagmire was important to the island campaigns.


But anyways: if Sky puts in a Japanese admiral, it's only because he intends on making that poor fellow suffer because he is literally stuck in the worst possible situation ever. I don't speak for Sly but I think it would be, uh, thematically off. Every other admiral would be trying to do something to save their girls and salvage something from their nation; the Japanese admiral would be getting drunk off his ass as he realises that everything he does either prolongs the war, getting a third city nuked, or gets him assassinated.
The IJA is worthless in the Pacific War outside of the critical islands that the USN/USMC needed to capture in order to advance on the Japanese home islands. Any IJA forces garrisoned at other islands are literally a DRAIN on Japan's war-fighting capabilities. There's a reason it was called 'island hopping', in that the USN/USMC hopped and skipped right past several garrisoned islands and only hit the truly important ones. Once they had those, any islands further out were literally starved into either submission and surrender, forced into abandonment, or, in the case of a few of the smaller ones, quite literally starved to death to the last man. Until that happened, several of those larger, bypassed, islands still HAD to be supplied, and thus any convoys to them made for incredibly easy targets for the USN's submarine forces which went through Japan's merchant fleet like a thresher does to a wheat field.

The IJA could have pulled completely out of China in 1940, moving every single unit they had into the Philippines and everything north of the Philippines all the way up to Okinawa, and it still wouldn't have done a damn bit of good outside of making Iwo Jima even bloodier, and slowing, but not denying, the fall of Okinawa. Hell, it would have made things WORSE for Japan as there would have been even more troops per island needing constant supply runs, and thus, even more easy-to-kill convoys for the various USN sub packs to kill.

The best bet for a Japanese Kanmusu admiral, is to get onboard one of the flagships (Yamato, Kaga, or Ooyodo for example, as a short list), get a hold of its spirit, and WARN IT of what is coming. Not just with what will happen in the war, but that the Abyssals are coming. Warn it, and do his best to make the spirit transmit as much of that knowledge as possible, as widely as possible, to the rest of the spirits. That and flat out telling them what will happen during the war, that there's simply no way for the IJN to stop America from burying Japan's navy under sheer numbers, yet not to grieve too much, because they will return later to fight a truly worthy enemy - one that fights against all of humanity. Hit the samurai tones right, and they'll be eating out of his hand. Sacrifice everything now, even fighting an opponent that shouldn't be, in order to be ready for the upcoming REAL war. After all, the first few months/years of the Abyssal war had to have been chaos unleashed in dealing with their seemingly insane tactics/strategies, how to counter them, and then how to use the returned Kanmusu properly, let alone supply them. Drill it into the IJN's ship-spirits, while still spirits, about all that he can remember from the Abyssal war, would allow them to possibly perform miracles almost immediately after being summoned due to knowing what is needed to do, and not to do, rather then chaotic on-the-job-while-under-fire training/experience.

Then?

Then, the officer in question does his duty to the best of his ability, and either dies fighting the USN using all the tactical tricks he knows from future knowledge, or miraculously survives the war. Very likely will end up being one of those 'father to his men' types that personnel would gladly/happily march into hell behind, while also having a virtually spotless record for POW treatment/picking up survivors. That is, if the aforementioned 'dying in the war' doesn't happen. But he is still duty bound to defend Japan. Working out of step would mean that he might be allowing one of the xenophobic 'kill the survivors in their lifejackets/gun down the lifeboats' war-hawk to instead fill his shoes/position, rather than him working subtly at the few things he CAN change.

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As I mentioned previously, NOTHING that Admiral can do, will prevent the war from ending on Japan's footsteps, and certainly not without at least one A-bomb being dropped. Well, outside of a full-up miracle where Yamato herself materializes physically before Yamamato and/or (possibly more this) the Emperor himself, and explains things. Outside of that, all he can do is cause the war to be prolonged, but still, never won. And again, if its prolonged too much, the ending could be far FAR worse. Prolonging the war by as much as 6 months, delaying Operation Downfall (both Olympic and Coronet), might very well end up seeing A-bombs being dropped ahead of the beachhead landings, which would have badly damaged parts of Kyushu, while utterly decimating the Kanto Plain around Tokyo (Hiroshima? Nagasaki? Their death tolls would have PALED in comparison). And that's prior to the actual invasion landings, let alone the slog into the mainland that was expected to occur.

Thus any Kanmusu time-traveled officer has to swallow his dignity and pride, and act on a much MUCH longer time frame than anyone else - because no matter what, he's doomed. Try to stop the war? He's dead/replaced. Try to prolong it? His nation is even more of a corpse than in the original timeline. So the only thing left is to alert the ship-spirits, and get them ready to endure the Pacific War, while readying them for the Abyssal War.
 
Frankly in my head canon the japanese admiral will have some talks with Mutsu that will end with him ordering the evacuation of the battleship followed by the historical port explosion that sunk her.
 
Frankly in my head canon the japanese admiral will have some talks with Mutsu that will end with him ordering the evacuation of the battleship followed by the historical port explosion that sunk her.

Actually, here's an idea.

What if the Japanese timetraveller is one of the Kanmusume? Say, Kongou, Mutsu, Yamato... or Hibiki?
 
It'd be even stranger if a hypothetical time-travelling Japanese TTK was actually in a (probably less-than-professional) relationship with one of the girls. How awkward would it be to explain to Kongou or Nagato or Kaga that in the future, the two were married (or at least dating, or something along those lines)?
 
It'd be even stranger if a hypothetical time-travelling Japanese TTK was actually in a (probably less-than-professional) relationship with one of the girls. How awkward would it be to explain to Kongou or Nagato or Kaga that in the future, the two were married (or at least dating, or something along those lines)?

Well, Kongō would be ecstatic, judging by her sexuality (Teitoku-sexual).
 
Except the common consensus here is that she became (in)famously Admiral-sexual because she blew up with two aboard after Sealion lewdedtorpedoed her.

I imagine there was something there before Sealion torped her. It wouldn't have been the BURNING LOVE, but I have to think that comes from something before being torped.
 
Yes. Her base personality seems to be very energetic. So, when she decides something needs to be done, she doesn't do half-measures. After sinking with two admirals, she simply pursued the new character trait with her unceasing energy. To the future regret of all Admirals that have her assigned.
 
To lighten the thread again...

I never even said it was 'mass-produced have no soul'. That would exclude cargo ships and the Fletcher sisters, among others. Hell, it would exclude a lot of DD classes. American ones anyway.

What I've said is that PTs won't have animal spirits, and that's...really about it. In most stories, I lean to tender+fairies. Who knows in here.*


*Well, I do, but I haven't fully decided yet since PTs are very far in the future.

Possible way around PT-Boat issue.

IJN gets Taigei as a sub tender. Mizuho, Chitose, and Chiyoda are seaplane/mini-sub tenders. Akitsushima is a flying boat tender (no mini-subs for her).

What about a PT Boat Tender? The 'main' shipgirl spirit is the tender itself. She has several semi-anthropomorphic PT-boats, fairy crewed, much like Akitsushima's 'Taitei-Chan' flying boat.

That would bypass the whole animal spirit issue.

Somehow, I'm now picturing the PT tenders as little girls who are holding onto the leashes of a dozen semi-zoomorphic PT boats, fairy-crewed, which behave like corgis. Not actually BEING them, but being about as easy to control as them (meaning you're forever getting tangled in multiple leashes).

And I'm entirely OK with that...
 
Except the common consensus here is that she became (in)famously Admiral-sexual because she blew up with two aboard after Sealion lewdedtorpedoed her.
Or maybe it's a stable time loop. Kongou fell in love with her admiral because she remembered her admiral telling her how they fell in love.

Also, who says the Japanese officer has to be an Admiral. What about a destroyer skipper? Inazuma went out of her way to rescue allied sailors, once carrying 527 sailors from Exeter and Pope, more than double her usual crew complement. It could be interesting to have a JMSDF captain get shunted over to a destroyer--since that's all the SDF has now--and just try to make the best of a bad situation.

I kinda wonder how the IJN would react to shipgirls. Kami are a reasonably established concept in shinto, and from what I recall the Imperial Japanese Military basically turned shinto into yet another facet of their war machine. Could we see Mitsuo Fuchida rolling into his dive on the cool orders of a young woman's voice? "Climb Mount Niitaka."
 
Except the common consensus here is that she became (in)famously Admiral-sexual because she blew up with two aboard after Sealion lewdedtorpedoed her.
Now this got me thinking that that USS San Francisco had a yandere moment that ended in one of the most notorious friendly fire incidents of the war when Rear Admiral Norman Scott had to move his flag from her to the USS Atlanta for the Naval Battle of Guadacanal.
 
The only reason Japan even lasted until 1945 was because the United States knew Germany was the bigger threat and focused there first. If Hitler doesn't pull a stupid and declare war on the United States, Japan would have felt every single bit of American war production in their face.
Actually, no. The Pacific War was on a timetable set by the shipyards churning out the required ships, and that timetable was not really compressible nor very dependent on resources used for Europe.

The war in the Pacific hinged on a number of items, the best examples of which are landing craft and carriers. Save for the Overlord invasion, none of these are very relevant to the European theater. The US built as many carriers as fast as it could, and as many landing craft as fast as these could be designed.

Without the European theater all you get is the landing craft used for Normandy and smaller landings into the Pacific a bit sooner. But that's a matter of months, not years. Likewise the US Navy is not going to built more carriers any faster than it already was. You will get a bunch of escort carriers in the Pacific earlier since they're no longer being given to the British or going sub hunting in the Atlantic, but that's not going to shorten the war significantly either.

You can get lots of armor and infantry divisions, B17 and B24 bombers and fighters a lot sooner than you would otherwise, but without the carriers to clear the way and the landing craft to take islands and built airfields closer to Japan than the Marianas, those aren't going to win the Pacific War.

Even with the US giving Japan top priority over Germany, they're going to last until 1945.
 
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You can get lots of armor and infantry divisions, B17 and B24 bombers and fighters a lot sooner than you would otherwise, but without the carriers to clear the way and the landing craft to take islands and built airfields closer to Japan than the Marianas, those aren't going to win the Pacific War.

It could also lead to the US keeping to the Tank Destroyer doctrine for longer than in OTL.
 
I'm referring to the situation where the war is prolonged by 1.5 years.

In that case, around 5 more Essex-class Carriers would be able to serve. More, if Thompson has his way.

You'd also probably see more CVLs and CVEs. Instead of 50, we might see 60 Casablancas.
Actually, you probably won't see more CVLs. Saipans were to cover losses of Independence-class carriers, and I don't see the US losing very many of those. As for CVEs, not more Casablancas. Any extra CVEs would be of the Commencement Bay class, as the Casablanca class had completed its production run entirely by 1945.
 
Actually, you probably won't see more CVLs. Saipans were to cover losses of Independence-class carriers, and I don't see the US losing very many of those. As for CVEs, not more Casablancas. Any extra CVEs would be of the Commencement Bay class, as the Casablanca class had completed its production run entirely by 1945.
Still, there's the Thompson effect. If we see more casualties, since Essex production is maxed, more CVLs will be needed to provide fleet-capable carriers.

And if the situation is worse, and Thompson has his way in reforming more of the navy, there might even be pressure to increase Casablanca production from the 50 ordered RL to 60 or more.

TLDR: Thompson might be able to swing enough people to extend the Casablanca run, as well as get more fleet capable CVLs to cover the increased losses that better Japanese tactics would entail. Also, corsairs early.
 
Still, there's the Thompson effect. If we see more casualties, since Essex production is maxed, more CVLs will be needed to provide fleet-capable carriers.

And if the situation is worse, and Thompson has his way in reforming more of the navy, there might even be pressure to increase Casablanca production from the 50 ordered RL to 60 or more.

TLDR: Thompson might be able to swing enough people to extend the Casablanca run, as well as get more fleet capable CVLs to cover the increased losses that better Japanese tactics would entail. Also, corsairs early.
Extending the Casablanca run is heavily dependent on when things go sour. If it's 1943 or later, they're going to go with the more capable Commencement Bay class, as it's not going to slow down production any.
 
Extending the Casablanca run is heavily dependent on when things go sour. If it's 1943 or later, they're going to go with the more capable Commencement Bay class, as it's not going to slow down production any.
Ah. Oops. I got the Casablanca and Commencement Bay classes somewhat mixed up.

So yes, more Commencement Bays.

However, the Commencement Bays came out too late for operational service in real life - under the 1946/47 war end timeline, they would be able to see use, but the Casablancas have the advantage of being carrier hulls at an earlier time.
 
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