Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

What the Admiral and ship girls wants to figure out is how the ship girls best can assist each other, the crews and/or the Captains and Admirals. If you're at war, then realise the ship you are enlisted on is haunted by a poltergeist, thats really bad for morale. And survivability. However, if said poltergeist proves helpful and useful? Well. That's another story entirely. And would probably get any hopeful exorsists thrown off the boat in short order by the crew.
It would need to be an extremely useful potergeist. Sailors are really, really superticious, as in not wanting to open fire first on Sundays or whistling while at sea, and during wartime they become even more supersticious and religious, after all there are no atheist on a trench hole, nor in the middle of an air attack. Better to try limited exposure to the saltiest sailors who really love the ship and even then very discrete actions.
 
I'm suddenly struck by the "image" of Yorktown being saved at Midway by shipgirl!Enterprise from the future, who proceeds to go on a rampage against the Kido Butai. "The Grey Ghost" indeed. She's going to save everyone this time, and she figures the best way to do that is to relentlessly hunt down and kill every Japanese carrier and submarine she can find, even if she has to do it by herself.


Cue horror on her past!family's faces.

And then Lady E was Mad Max.
 
Chapter 11
Chapter 11:

Sitting in a briefing room with two other Admirals was not what James Thompson wished he was doing with his time. He had so many different reasons to want to be elsewhere, about as many as he did things needing done. But he was an Admiral. And he could understand the purpose for this meeting. He knew and understood that. It didn't mean he had to like the meeting, but, well...sometimes things needed to be done. Even if he didn't like them. With that in mind, he turned to focus on the men he was stuck with.

Admirals Richardson and Willson.

The former he could understand. Richardson had called this meeting after all. The latter confused him however. Admiral Willson was 'merely' commander of BB Division One. Arizona's division. An important post ,to be sure, but not the only ComBatDiv in the Pacific Fleet. With that in mind, the question was simple. Why was Willson here as well? Ari hadn't said anything about it, so it couldn't have been something to do with her. Right?

"Admiral." Richardson was the first to speak, looking over his glasses. "I've read your report."

"Sir?" James asked, doing his best to not look wary. "Is there anything in specific you wanted to know?"

Richardson sighed, "The torpedoes. Are you absolutely certain it was a flaw in their design?"

Yes.

"As certain as I can be." Thompson sighed himself. "They need more testing, to be certain. That's why I suggested we test the Mark 13 and 14 as well. They all come from the same family, and if something is faulty in one..."

"You believe it is the same in all." The higher-ranked Admiral cut James off. "Yes, I can see why you would believe that. But I can't authorize those tests."

That had been something that worried James. Not that it was unexpected, though.

"Why?" Still, he had to ask.

"The weapons were air-dropped. It is entirely possible that the impact on the water is what caused the issues." Richardson, to his credit, looked unhappy. "That is what BuOrd would tell me, if I tried to test all of the torpedoes. You will get your tests on the Mark 13, but nothing more."

"Yes sir."

Well, it wasn't like James could blame Richardson for not pushing the subject. It was pushing that forced him from this position, in the time James came from. While the backlash on Admiral Kimmel was, likely, overblown...it didn't change the fact that Thompson would far prefer Richardson stay in command for as long as possible. This was a man who had built his career on studying the Japanese, and knew better than anyone how exposed Hawaii truly was. The longer he remained in command, the more prepared they would be for the inevitable attack.

Though, they couldn't be too prepared...or they would lose the girls in open ocean.

I hate having to work in the shadows like this...

Sighing softly, James returned his attention to the other Admiral. Richardson was watching him like a hawk, while Willson looked...unhappy.

Why?

"The other portion of your report that interests me, is your report on carrier tactics." The senior Admiral continued.

"In what way?"

Richardson looked out of the corner of his eye, at Willson, "Your suggestions on having the carriers take up more responsibilities. I will readily admit that you have more experience in carrier tactics than I do. However..."

"You are pushing too hard." Willson had spoken, the moment Richardson sent him a nod.

And that is what I was worried about. Damn it.

Well, it wasn't as if he hadn't expected this.

"I see." James nodded, keeping his voice carefully level.

Willson frowned, "I'm not certain you do. Admiral Thompson, what you are proposing is such a radical departure from existing tactics, that it is hard to believe you are aware of it. I won't deny that your carriers have their uses, certainly. But to imply that battleships should be relegated to the sidelines?"

"My report shows..."

"It shows that two carriers operating in tandem are better than one operating alone." The older Admiral cut him off. "In addition, Yorktown's pilots were not trained in the new, and I daresay valuable, tactics you have been pushing for. That alone should be indicative of the fact that this exercise would need repeating."

On the one hand, he isn't dismissing the tactics. On the other...I knew that dealing with Battleship Admirals could be problematic. And I don't know enough about Admiral Willson to judge where he may fall on this subject.

Sighing softly, Thompson looked his counterpart in the eyes, "I am aware of that fact. But, on the other hand, my pilots mission-killed Yorktown, even with the torpedo failure. Carriers are capable of sinking other warships."

"You aren't Billy Mitchell, and I am not his Court Martial board." Willson replied, voice held to an even tone. "I am very aware, of how dangerous your pilots are. However, that does little to change the fact that my battleships are the core of any offensive action. The carriers are able to provide support, true. Your pilots may be the difference between life and death, if the Japs brought in their own carriers. And if they had anything worth worrying about."

Willson sighed himself, looking more his age.

"That is something I doubt, myself. Even so, I appreciate what you are trying to do, Admiral Thompson. But at the same time, you are wrong. Carriers are to support the battleships, not the other way around. I already intend to refit Arizona with better anti-air weaponry as soon as possible. But, and I am not sure you understand this, I need your fighters more than your bombers. Keep the battleships safe, and they can deal with anything that tries to get close."

Honestly, that was more thought out and logical that James might have expected. Perhaps it was from journalism after the war, but he had been lead to believe that the desire for battleships to be the 'decisive force' meant the carriers were considered secondary at best. Willson implied that while the dreadnoughts were still the main striking force, he knew at least that the carriers wereneeded. If only for defense and spoiling attacks. It wasn't quite an admittance that the carriers were the future, but at least it was better than the alternative.

"And, I should inform you..."

Head turning back to his counterpart, James frowned, "Yes?"

"You will not make friends, if you continue pushing." Willson was deadly serious, his eyes boring into Thompson. "I myself will push right back, if you try and relegate my boys to secondary roles. Believe me, you will make more enemies than friends among the battleship commanders. And in Washington."

And there it is.

"I see." James nodded. "Admiral Richardson? Was there anything else you needed me to report?"

Richardson had remained outside the discussion, merely watching his subordinates. James knew the man was forward-thinking for his time, but he knew little on his views of the carrier and battleship split.

"Just one." The higher-ranked man replied.

"Yes?"

"Are you aware of the reports that the new Talk Between Ships sets are being misused?"

Oh...shit.

Inwardly sweating, James nodded back, "I have heard, yes. My own crew has made a report on it, and I've been trying to uncover whoever it is using the set. My crew is large though, so I'm sure you can understand the difficulty, Admiral."

That was his one saving grace. Sara's crew numbered in the thousands. Finding one person, who didn't exist at that, in that many men? It would take time, to say the least. But James worried nonetheless. He had found out that the ships using their radios to communicate also registered as usage of the physical sets. He wasn't sure how, but it did. And his radio operators were eagle-eyed when it came to their precious equipment. He had been asked to investigate several times.

Well, rather, his Captain had been asked. It had been bumped up to him when other ships in the task group reported the same.

Regardless, it caused an issue for him. Passing off the attempts to communicate as ghosts worked to some extent. Granted, it spooked the hell out of already superstitious crews. But at least that was the extent of it. But if the use of the radio, something he couldn't stop doing if he wanted to coordinate actions with the other girls, was registered? As someone using the sets as a joke? It made things far harder. How could he deal with it, when it became apparent it wasn't the crews? Or if someone actually heard the girls? Heard him?

"I understand," Richardson's voice spoke up. "However, I have to ask you to put more effort in Admiral Thompson. I have had an investigation ongoing on the ships in harbor, but if it is happening outside harbor as well, it is important that we identify the issue. If that is operator error, I want to train our operators better. If that is an issue with the equipment, such as with the torpedoes, I need to get better equipment. If it is someone in a crew doing so, and they have members on every ship in the fleet..."

The Admiral trailed off, but the implied threat was real.

"I will do what I can, Admiral."

And what else could James do? Until Utah made a breakthrough, they would have to continue this hiding in the shadows. No matter the risk, or the fact he could personally interview every single member of his crew and not one of them would- or could -give an answer.

This is not going to go well.

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This is a good day.

USS Arizona stood on the deck of her hull, looking out into the harbor. She could see the most carriers she had ever seen in one spot, for sure. Lex, Sara, Yorktown and Enterprise. It was an interesting experience in that regard alone. But of course, her attention was focused mostly on Sara in specific. She knew that Admiral Thompson wasn't aboard, from talking with Sara. He was meeting with Admiral Richardson and her own Admiral Willson. She wasn't quite sure what they were discussing. But it had to be important, if her own Admiral was participating.

Not that it was the first time. She still fondly remembered the last time those three Admirals had met. After all, it had been the last time she saw Admiral Thompson in person!

Even as a smile crossed her face from that memory, Arizona heard the sound of a motor. Turning from Sara's hull in the distance, she moved to her stern. Looking out at the harbor, Ari smiled widely. She recognized that launch. More importantly, she recognized the tall figure in the launch. Admiral Thompson. Moving to the very edge of her hull, she gave a little wave at the launch. She wasn't expecting a wave back, of course.

But it still made her smile warm her face, when she saw the Admiral nod back at her. She was fully capable of seeing the small smile on his own face, and it made her happy. Even though she couldn't talk to him, it was something.

"Admiral on deck!"

Something that was broken, as her own Admiral returned. Ari had made an attempt to talk to him recently, but it hadn't come to anything really. That said, Utah had told her it would help Admiral Thompson, so she would keep trying.

Even if the man looked rather...unhappy.

"At ease." Admiral Willson spoke, as he moved past his crew and towards his quarters. Arizona followed him, curiosity in her brown eyes.

Why is he unhappy?

It was only when he was in his cabin, that Arizona would get an answer. Admiral Willson sat down heavily, looking at reports on his desk.

"That man is going to be the death of me." The older man muttered, as he leafed through the reports.

"Admiral?" Ari tried, even though she knew nothing would come of it.

And nothing did, as the Admiral continued to leaf through the reports. Ari frowned, confusion clear in her features. Why was her Admiral upset? And was he talking about Admiral Thompson? She hadn't known there were any issues between the two men. At the least, she hadn't seen any such issues during their last meeting. She had been rather focused on the man she was so fond of though...

Shaking her head, the battleship looked back at her Admiral. The man was rubbing his forehead, as he wrote down in a journal. Arizona wasn't about to read what he wrote, of course. That would be improper of her. But she could see the lines of stress in his features, and it had her worried. What had happened, at that meeting? Admiral Thompson hadn't looked off...but then, would he? He had to deal with a lot, and probably hid most of what he felt.

"Battleships are still the core of the Navy. Carriers are for support, not leading the fight." Admiral Willson mused, as he continued writing things down. "That man is trying to upset the status quo far too much. He is a fool, but he has Richardson's ear..."

Ari felt a flash of indignation, at hearing that, "Admiral Thompson knows more than anyone!"

Of course, her own Admiral didn't hear her. Sighing, the battleship bounced back on her heels. She knew that battleships were supposed to be the core of the battleline, at the moment. But she had talked with Admiral Thompson and Sara enough times by now, to know it wouldn't last. It was hard for her to reconcile the idea that her guns were useless in the face of a concentrated air attack, but she saw little reason to doubt them.

And she knew that not everyone would be so accepting.

"The refit will need to be more extensive, than I thought." Admiral Willson continued, Ari realizing he was marking down changes to her hull. It was hard not to, when she saw him take out a sketch of her deck. "Still, I know that Richardson will support us in the end. The Carriers are support, not the heart of the fleet."

Even as a battleship, Ari felt herself shaking her head. But what could she do?

Talk with him. Make him understand.

A small laugh came from her, upon thinking that. Her mental voice sounded like Utah. Smiling at the thought of the elder battleship, she turned to her Admiral. Willson still made no sign of knowing she was there, but Ari didn't really expect him to.

"I will talk to you Admiral. I don't want everything Admiral Thompson is working towards, to be wasted!"

There was no response, but between her upcoming refit and what her Admiral had said? Arizona was determined to make herself heard, now. It was all she could do, to help the man she trusted so much. And if it was all she could do, she would do it to the best of her ability.


Well, it wasn't always going to be smooth sailing, now was it?

Expect more of the issues with BB Admirals to crop up later, once Sara is in refit. Which historically started in Jan '41, so only a handful of months in story time.


Insofar as Willson goes, Wiki is annoyingly unhelpful on his opinions/personality. So...improv for the win! I try to do my best to research things, but sometimes...yeah.

That said, he apparently had a son who was a naval aviator, so that's why he's willing to at least acknowledge carriers have uses.

Also:

Valentines Day fun, featuring Ari and Thompson. And Indylitz, but that's a different story entirely...


No pun intended, I swear.
 
Change is hard. It is a pattern that is repeated over and over down the line of Generals and Admirals through out the ages. Problem is it's only apparent in retrospect. For every revolutionary idea and battlefield changing tech there are hundreds of ideas and techs that are dead ends or death traps. It is really hard to pick winners especially in an age of such radical developments as WW2.

Admiral Willson's opinion is based on three to four hundred years of navel history and experience, it's really only obvious to us that Aircraft Carriers are going to supplant BB's when you step back and realize that the core role of a BB is to deliver as much damage as possible to a target and CV's can do far more damage, at greater range with far more flexibility.

-Shrug- Who can tell exactly what next tech or strategies will bring us?

But getting the BB drivers and crew to realize that the key to their survival is keeping the CV's alive is going to be an interesting step. Maybe working out a way to work combine arms tactics into ww2 fleet doctrine? Being Shelled AND Bombed is always more effective than either alone.
 
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I must admit I'm still waiting for the scene where some Admiral realises that nothing is touching his left shoulder, and it is doing so in morse code...

Any ideas on hillarious messages? Or for that matter, useful messages?
 
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I like that there is resistance, it's far too often that characters are basically given free reign. I myself am not immune to this in my own writing, it's tricky to remember that life enjoys it's curve-balls
 
Now Thompson will need to be really sneaky to get at least his fleet ready in time for the war. The tactics are easy, the CAGs of the other air groups are interested in them so it will be easy to get them to practice those in the low without making too many waves, especially the Weave and TB escort.

The torpedoes on the other hand will require to be underhanded and maybe to break a few laws. They can use the Pearl Harbour faciities to repair the Mk-13 by removing the magnetic triggers, recalibrating the running deep to zero and getting a sturdier contact piston. Then quite illegaly replace the warheads of the submarine and destroyer forces in his squadrons. If he fails he will receive a court martial, BuOrd was staffed with well connected, amoral idiots after all.
 
The torpedoes on the other hand will require to be underhanded and maybe to break a few laws. They can use the Pearl Harbour faciities to repair the Mk-13 by removing the magnetic triggers, recalibrating the running deep to zero and getting a sturdier contact piston. Then quite illegaly replace the warheads of the submarine and destroyer forces in his squadrons. If he fails he will receive a court martial, BuOrd was staffed with well connected, amoral idiots after all.

It could very well be, that by the time BuOrd notices it. The practice of modifing the torps to get them to work, has spread though the majority of the navy.
 
Does anyone know whether or not the concept of a CIC has already been developed? Radar equipped vessels combined with a true Combat Information Center and clear lines of communications leads to a far more effective CAP (combat air patrol) than a simple fighter umbrella.
 
An important post ,to be sure, but not the only ComBatDiv in the Pacific Fleet. With that in mind, the question was simple.
post, to be sure, but not the
Willson implied that while the dreadnoughts were still the main striking force, he knew at least that the carriers wereneeded. If only for defense and spoiling attacks.
were needed, if only for
Resistence to the suggestions? Well, can't say I didn't see it coming with your buildup.
 
Does anyone know whether or not the concept of a CIC has already been developed? Radar equipped vessels combined with a true Combat Information Center and clear lines of communications leads to a far more effective CAP (combat air patrol) than a simple fighter umbrella.

I know the Fletcher class and all the new battleships were built with CICs, so the idea is known, but the history of implementation is a bit fuzzy.

On another semi related subject?

There is the Weave & Torpedo inquiries.

Would he try another technique?

Is it worthwhile?

Skip Bombing?

Skip bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The problem with skip bombing is that it subjects bombers to the drawbacks of the torpedo planes. A bomber making a skip run would have to fly low and slow over the deck, subjecting it to the full effect of the ship's AA. Part of the reason why dive bombers were so effective is that the ship's AA crews had very little opportunity to engage the bombers before they dropped their payloads.
 
I know the Fletcher class and all the new battleships were built with CICs, so the idea is known, but the history of implementation is a bit fuzzy.



The problem with skip bombing is that it subjects bombers to the drawbacks of the torpedo planes. A bomber making a skip run would have to fly low and slow over the deck, subjecting it to the full effect of the ship's AA. Part of the reason why dive bombers were so effective is that the ship's AA crews had very little opportunity to engage the bombers before they dropped their payloads.
The earliest instance that I'm aware of is Hornet (CV-8) for carrier operations control, but I could be off on that.
 
On another semi related subject?

There is the Weave & Torpedo inquiries.

Would he try another technique?

Is it worthwhile?

Skip Bombing?

Skip bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Getting past institutional inertia in the navy is already hard, poking around the army air force or the marines is more trouble than it is worth unless it turns out that Roosevelt knows Thompson or something.

In addition, there is the matter of not having the right technology to help enable the refined tactics and strategies that the Allies will have in '44 and '45.
 
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Plus, right now, the Japanese still have something that can be called a CAP. Making Skip Bombing virtually suicidal.
 
Having lots of fighter planes is good for the defense. If possible, get a few 'extras' that are stationed on land and say it's for both training and to test what mix of fighters, divebombers, torpedo fighters and pure bombers work best.

You want to give the battle ship groups good training in how to protect themselves from this newfangled stuff, after all. At the time, the German Army and Luftwaffe seemed more or less unstoppable, and being ready if marching orders come is a good idea, yes?


If Pearl Harbor has enough of a CAP during the attacks, with the option of refueling and rearming on land... Might it make enough of a difference, with stationary defenses on the island itself, to make it not be completely overrun?

Actually... How about doing training exercises with the fighters and bombers against the naval bases AA? It would give the base commander a lot of time to get and install more AA...
 
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Chapter 11:

Sitting in a briefing room with two other Admirals was not what James Thompson wished he was doing with his time. He had so many different reasons to want to be elsewhere, about as many as he did things needing done. But he was an Admiral. And he could understand the purpose for this meeting. He knew and understood that. It didn't mean he had to like the meeting, but, well...sometimes things needed to be done. Even if he didn't like them. With that in mind, he turned to focus on the men he was stuck with.

Admirals Richardson and Willson.

The former he could understand. Richardson had called this meeting after all. The latter confused him however. Admiral Willson was 'merely' commander of BB Division One. Arizona's division. An important post ,to be sure, but not the only ComBatDiv in the Pacific Fleet. With that in mind, the question was simple. Why was Willson here as well? Ari hadn't said anything about it, so it couldn't have been something to do with her. Right?

"Admiral." Richardson was the first to speak, looking over his glasses. "I've read your report."

"Sir?" James asked, doing his best to not look wary. "Is there anything in specific you wanted to know?"

Richardson sighed, "The torpedoes. Are you absolutely certain it was a flaw in their design?"

Yes.

"As certain as I can be." Thompson sighed himself. "They need more testing, to be certain. That's why I suggested we test the Mark 13 and 14 as well. They all come from the same family, and if something is faulty in one..."

"You believe it is the same in all." The higher-ranked Admiral cut James off. "Yes, I can see why you would believe that. But I can't authorize those tests."

That had been something that worried James. Not that it was unexpected, though.

"Why?" Still, he had to ask.

"The weapons were air-dropped. It is entirely possible that the impact on the water is what caused the issues." Richardson, to his credit, looked unhappy. "That is what BuOrd would tell me, if I tried to test all of the torpedoes. You will get your tests on the Mark 13, but nothing more."

"Yes sir."

Well, it wasn't like James could blame Richardson for not pushing the subject. It was pushing that forced him from this position, in the time James came from. While the backlash on Admiral Kimmel was, likely, overblown...it didn't change the fact that Thompson would far prefer Richardson stay in command for as long as possible. This was a man who had built his career on studying the Japanese, and knew better than anyone how exposed Hawaii truly was. The longer he remained in command, the more prepared they would be for the inevitable attack.

Though, they couldn't be too prepared...or they would lose the girls in open ocean.

I hate having to work in the shadows like this...

Sighing softly, James returned his attention to the other Admiral. Richardson was watching him like a hawk, while Willson looked...unhappy.

Why?

"The other portion of your report that interests me, is your report on carrier tactics." The senior Admiral continued.

"In what way?"

Richardson looked out of the corner of his eye, at Willson, "Your suggestions on having the carriers take up more responsibilities. I will readily admit that you have more experience in carrier tactics than I do. However..."

"You are pushing too hard." Willson had spoken, the moment Richardson sent him a nod.

And that is what I was worried about. Damn it.

Well, it wasn't as if he hadn't expected this.

"I see." James nodded, keeping his voice carefully level.

Willson frowned, "I'm not certain you do. Admiral Thompson, what you are proposing is such a radical departure from existing tactics, that it is hard to believe you are aware of it. I won't deny that your carriers have their uses, certainly. But to imply that battleships should be relegated to the sidelines?"

"My report shows..."

"It shows that two carriers operating in tandem are better than one operating alone." The older Admiral cut him off. "In addition, Yorktown's pilots were not trained in the new, and I daresay valuable, tactics you have been pushing for. That alone should be indicative of the fact that this exercise would need repeating."

On the one hand, he isn't dismissing the tactics. On the other...I knew that dealing with Battleship Admirals could be problematic. And I don't know enough about Admiral Willson to judge where he may fall on this subject.

Sighing softly, Thompson looked his counterpart in the eyes, "I am aware of that fact. But, on the other hand, my pilots mission-killed Yorktown, even with the torpedo failure. Carriers are capable of sinking other warships."

"You aren't Billy Mitchell, and I am not his Court Martial board." Willson replied, voice held to an even tone. "I am very aware, of how dangerous your pilots are. However, that does little to change the fact that my battleships are the core of any offensive action. The carriers are able to provide support, true. Your pilots may be the difference between life and death, if the Japs brought in their own carriers. And if they had anything worth worrying about."

Willson sighed himself, looking more his age.

"That is something I doubt, myself. Even so, I appreciate what you are trying to do, Admiral Thompson. But at the same time, you are wrong. Carriers are to support the battleships, not the other way around. I already intend to refit Arizona with better anti-air weaponry as soon as possible. But, and I am not sure you understand this, I need your fighters more than your bombers. Keep the battleships safe, and they can deal with anything that tries to get close."

Honestly, that was more thought out and logical that James might have expected. Perhaps it was from journalism after the war, but he had been lead to believe that the desire for battleships to be the 'decisive force' meant the carriers were considered secondary at best. Willson implied that while the dreadnoughts were still the main striking force, he knew at least that the carriers wereneeded. If only for defense and spoiling attacks. It wasn't quite an admittance that the carriers were the future, but at least it was better than the alternative.

"And, I should inform you..."

Head turning back to his counterpart, James frowned, "Yes?"

"You will not make friends, if you continue pushing." Willson was deadly serious, his eyes boring into Thompson. "I myself will push right back, if you try and relegate my boys to secondary roles. Believe me, you will make more enemies than friends among the battleship commanders. And in Washington."

And there it is.

"I see." James nodded. "Admiral Richardson? Was there anything else you needed me to report?"

Richardson had remained outside the discussion, merely watching his subordinates. James knew the man was forward-thinking for his time, but he knew little on his views of the carrier and battleship split.

"Just one." The higher-ranked man replied.

"Yes?"

"Are you aware of the reports that the new Talk Between Ships sets are being misused?"

Oh...shit.

Inwardly sweating, James nodded back, "I have heard, yes. My own crew has made a report on it, and I've been trying to uncover whoever it is using the set. My crew is large though, so I'm sure you can understand the difficulty, Admiral."

That was his one saving grace. Sara's crew numbered in the thousands. Finding one person, who didn't exist at that, in that many men? It would take time, to say the least. But James worried nonetheless. He had found out that the ships using their radios to communicate also registered as usage of the physical sets. He wasn't sure how, but it did. And his radio operators were eagle-eyed when it came to their precious equipment. He had been asked to investigate several times.

Well, rather, his Captain had been asked. It had been bumped up to him when other ships in the task group reported the same.

Regardless, it caused an issue for him. Passing off the attempts to communicate as ghosts worked to some extent. Granted, it spooked the hell out of already superstitious crews. But at least that was the extent of it. But if the use of the radio, something he couldn't stop doing if he wanted to coordinate actions with the other girls, was registered? As someone using the sets as a joke? It made things far harder. How could he deal with it, when it became apparent it wasn't the crews? Or if someone actually heard the girls? Heard him?

"I understand," Richardson's voice spoke up. "However, I have to ask you to put more effort in Admiral Thompson. I have had an investigation ongoing on the ships in harbor, but if it is happening outside harbor as well, it is important that we identify the issue. If that is operator error, I want to train our operators better. If that is an issue with the equipment, such as with the torpedoes, I need to get better equipment. If it is someone in a crew doing so, and they have members on every ship in the fleet..."

The Admiral trailed off, but the implied threat was real.

"I will do what I can, Admiral."

And what else could James do? Until Utah made a breakthrough, they would have to continue this hiding in the shadows. No matter the risk, or the fact he could personally interview every single member of his crew and not one of them would- or could -give an answer.

This is not going to go well.

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This is a good day.

USS Arizona stood on the deck of her hull, looking out into the harbor. She could see the most carriers she had ever seen in one spot, for sure. Lex, Sara, Yorktown and Enterprise. It was an interesting experience in that regard alone. But of course, her attention was focused mostly on Sara in specific. She knew that Admiral Thompson wasn't aboard, from talking with Sara. He was meeting with Admiral Richardson and her own Admiral Willson. She wasn't quite sure what they were discussing. But it had to be important, if her own Admiral was participating.

Not that it was the first time. She still fondly remembered the last time those three Admirals had met. After all, it had been the last time she saw Admiral Thompson in person!

Even as a smile crossed her face from that memory, Arizona heard the sound of a motor. Turning from Sara's hull in the distance, she moved to her stern. Looking out at the harbor, Ari smiled widely. She recognized that launch. More importantly, she recognized the tall figure in the launch. Admiral Thompson. Moving to the very edge of her hull, she gave a little wave at the launch. She wasn't expecting a wave back, of course.

But it still made her smile warm her face, when she saw the Admiral nod back at her. She was fully capable of seeing the small smile on his own face, and it made her happy. Even though she couldn't talk to him, it was something.

"Admiral on deck!"

Something that was broken, as her own Admiral returned. Ari had made an attempt to talk to him recently, but it hadn't come to anything really. That said, Utah had told her it would help Admiral Thompson, so she would keep trying.

Even if the man looked rather...unhappy.

"At ease." Admiral Willson spoke, as he moved past his crew and towards his quarters. Arizona followed him, curiosity in her brown eyes.

Why is he unhappy?

It was only when he was in his cabin, that Arizona would get an answer. Admiral Willson sat down heavily, looking at reports on his desk.

"That man is going to be the death of me." The older man muttered, as he leafed through the reports.

"Admiral?" Ari tried, even though she knew nothing would come of it.

And nothing did, as the Admiral continued to leaf through the reports. Ari frowned, confusion clear in her features. Why was her Admiral upset? And was he talking about Admiral Thompson? She hadn't known there were any issues between the two men. At the least, she hadn't seen any such issues during their last meeting. She had been rather focused on the man she was so fond of though...

Shaking her head, the battleship looked back at her Admiral. The man was rubbing his forehead, as he wrote down in a journal. Arizona wasn't about to read what he wrote, of course. That would be improper of her. But she could see the lines of stress in his features, and it had her worried. What had happened, at that meeting? Admiral Thompson hadn't looked off...but then, would he? He had to deal with a lot, and probably hid most of what he felt.

"Battleships are still the core of the Navy. Carriers are for support, not leading the fight." Admiral Willson mused, as he continued writing things down. "That man is trying to upset the status quo far too much. He is a fool, but he has Richardson's ear..."

Ari felt a flash of indignation, at hearing that, "Admiral Thompson knows more than anyone!"

Of course, her own Admiral didn't hear her. Sighing, the battleship bounced back on her heels. She knew that battleships were supposed to be the core of the battleline, at the moment. But she had talked with Admiral Thompson and Sara enough times by now, to know it wouldn't last. It was hard for her to reconcile the idea that her guns were useless in the face of a concentrated air attack, but she saw little reason to doubt them.

And she knew that not everyone would be so accepting.

"The refit will need to be more extensive, than I thought." Admiral Willson continued, Ari realizing he was marking down changes to her hull. It was hard not to, when she saw him take out a sketch of her deck. "Still, I know that Richardson will support us in the end. The Carriers are support, not the heart of the fleet."

Even as a battleship, Ari felt herself shaking her head. But what could she do?

Talk with him. Make him understand.

A small laugh came from her, upon thinking that. Her mental voice sounded like Utah. Smiling at the thought of the elder battleship, she turned to her Admiral. Willson still made no sign of knowing she was there, but Ari didn't really expect him to.

"I will talk to you Admiral. I don't want everything Admiral Thompson is working towards, to be wasted!"

There was no response, but between her upcoming refit and what her Admiral had said? Arizona was determined to make herself heard, now. It was all she could do, to help the man she trusted so much. And if it was all she could do, she would do it to the best of her ability.


Well, it wasn't always going to be smooth sailing, now was it?

Expect more of the issues with BB Admirals to crop up later, once Sara is in refit. Which historically started in Jan '41, so only a handful of months in story time.


Insofar as Willson goes, Wiki is annoyingly unhelpful on his opinions/personality. So...improv for the win! I try to do my best to research things, but sometimes...yeah.

That said, he apparently had a son who was a naval aviator, so that's why he's willing to at least acknowledge carriers have uses.

Also:

Valentines Day fun, featuring Ari and Thompson. And Indylitz, but that's a different story entirely...


No pun intended, I swear.
Very nice chapter there. Part of me was wondering how the BB Admirals would react to Thompson's new tactics and this is a good preview of it. Or at least a good measure of a warning. Wilson's reaction was indeed quite well reasoned and I'm glad he didn't just dismiss the results or potential out of hand, but I can also see the 'It isn't broke, so don't fix it' mindest there.

I'm also wondering if this might affect things in a way far differently than Thompson expected. Ari's getting her AA overhaul, but with the mission-kill of York hanging over everyone's heads I'm almost going to guess that overhaul will be far more comprehensive than it was in the past. I think it might be funny if Wilson goes to a logical extreme and gives Ari enough AA to enable her to completely deny the existence of aircraft should she lay eyes upon them.
And the ship talk news is getting around. Best be listening. A pretty lady might have a word of warning you ought to heed~
 
Having lots of fighter planes is good for the defense. If possible, get a few 'extras' that are stationed on land and say it's for both training and to test what mix of fighters, divebombers, torpedo fighters and pure bombers work best.

You want to give the battle ship groups good training in how to protect themselves from this newfangled stuff, after all. At the time, the German Army and Luftwaffe seemed more or less unstoppable, and being ready if marching orders come is a good idea, yes?


If Pearl Harbor has enough of a CAP during the attacks, with the option of refueling and rearming on land... Might it make enough of a difference, with stationary defenses on the island itself, to make it not be completely overrun?

Actually... How about doing training exercises with the fighters and bombers against the naval bases AA? It would give the base commander a lot of time to get and install more AA...
Pearl had a shit load of planes during the attack...

The problem was that they were all line up in rows so it was easier to guard them. It also made it easier to strafe them into junk.
 
Pretty much. Granted, it's up for debate how much good those planes would have done, but it wouldn't have hurt if they weren't lined up and screaming 'SHOOT ME PLEASE'.

That said, the planes are an Army thing. So it's up for debate how much Thompson could do there.
 
Pretty much. Granted, it's up for debate how much good those planes would have done, but it wouldn't have hurt if they weren't lined up and screaming 'SHOOT ME PLEASE'.

That said, the planes are an Army thing. So it's up for debate how much Thompson could do there.

Challenge the army to an air-duel using the new tactics, which gets word of those tactics into the army, followed by exercises in which he demonstrates just how piss-poor of an idea the army's plane-handling is?
 
I'm pretty sure the main problem by the time they were getting strafed on the ground was that they were not up in the air by that time. :V

And for that you need to make an attack on Pearl Harbor seem very plausible, rather than everyone still expecting Subic Bay to be the first base to bite it.
 
I'm pretty sure the main problem by the time they were getting strafed on the ground was that they were not up in the air by that time. :V

And for that you need to make an attack on Pearl Harbor seem very plausible, rather than everyone still expecting Subic Bay to be the first base to bite it.

That, and not being stored in at least semi-hardened bunkers.
 
Yeah, it was Taranto.

'Course, the other issue- and what really eats at Thompson -is that he can't have Pearl too prepared. Too prepared, and the fleet sorties because they manage to figure out the attack is coming. That is the absolute worst thing that can happen, no matter how he prepares. They can toss as much AA on the ships as they want. They could have Little E actually stationed at Pearl.

Going up against six carriers with veteran air crew is going to see losses. Losses in deep water, that can't be repaired.

That's why all of his goals are prepare, but don't give too much away.
 
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