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Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

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Firekicker1 said:
"Ships sink when they are sunk."
-Enterprise
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Honestly, you'd forgive the IJN for thinking otherwise.

I mean, how else could they report the same ship being sunk three times and still be wrong every time?

Hell, not only did they report Yorktown as being sunk two times in the same battle (and were wrong both times), they thought that the carrier they saw the second time was so clearly undamaged and operational that it had to be a different carrier altogether. And look, another USS Yorktown carrier makes an appearance two years later.

And then there's fucking Hornet. Bombed, torpedoed, kamikaze'd? Nope, still not dead. Torpedoed again? Nope. Shot with 5-in guns at point-blank four hundred times? Still no. Fire some torpedoes at her to scuttle her? Mark 15s, so no. And look, another USS Hornet carrier makes an appearance two years later.

Even Saratoga needs to get in on that shit. Torpedoed by Long Lances on two separate occasions, still returned to combat. Savaged by kamikazes? Still not dead, and could have even been repaired to operational status if the USN wasn't loaded with Essexes and Indepences (and Enterprise), so she was converted to a training carrier.

South Dakota will tank all your shit, even your battleships, and not give a fuck.

Laffey, a tin-can destroyer, tanked six kamikaze hits and four bombs, had her entire stern and one of her AA-gun magazines aflame, and refused to sink. After receiving emergency repairs, she later collided with a submarine chaser, rescuing its crew before continuing on. After the war, she was part of Operation Crossroads, and thus, she was (kind of) nuked. Still survived. Was decontaminated and fixed up. Later served in the Korean War, and survived that, too.

And let's not even start with Battleship Row. Yamashiro would certainly beg to differ about the battleships of Pearl Harbor staying dead.
 
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SaltyWaffles said:
Honestly, you'd forgive the IJN for thinking otherwise.

I mean, how else could they report the same ship being sunk three times and still be wrong every time?

Hell, not only did they report Yorktown as being sunk two times in the same battle (and were wrong both times), they thought that the carrier they saw the second time was so clearly undamaged and operational that it had to be a different carrier altogether. And look, another USS Yorktown carrier makes an appearance two years later.

And then there's fucking Hornet. Bombed, torpedoed, kamikaze'd? Nope, still not dead. Torpedoed again? Nope. Shot with 5-in guns at point-blank four hundred times? Still no. Fire some torpedoes at her to scuttle her? Mark 14s (or was it 15s?), so no. And look, another USS Hornet carrier makes an appearance two years later.

Even Saratoga needs to get in on that shit. Torpedoed by Long Lances on two separate occasions, still returned to combat. Savaged by kamikazes? Still not dead, and could have even been repaired to operational status if the USN wasn't loaded with Essexes and Indepences (and Enterprise), so she was converted to a training carrier.

South Dakota will tank all your shit, even your battleships, and not give a fuck.

Laffey, a tin-can destroyer, tanked five kamikaze hits and a direct hit with a bomb, her entire stern and one of her AA-gun magazines aflame, and refused to sink.

And let's not even start with Battleship Row. Yamashiro would certainly beg to differ about the battleships of Pearl Harbor staying dead.
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So, basically, everyone In the USN had Avalon?
 
Jaberwocky ADM said:
Fit will hit the Shan when it comes time to climb Niitaka, hopefully it wont resort in mountain of corpses and twisted steel this time.
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One would hope.

MadGreenSon said:
And there it is. Anyone can become a hero if they're in the right place, at the right time.

A legend is born that way.

The US Navy has apparently committed to the idea of always having an Enterprise for a reason.

You can see it right there, before any loss or tragedy, the strength that made "Big E", the Grey Ghost herself, is already there. Time and circumstance haven't required her to show her strength yet, but she already has everything she needs.
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Yep!

That is what I was trying to show there. Little E is not the Grey Ghost. But she has the potential there, nonetheless. She hasn't had a reason to use it, but now that she does? Well.

landcollector said:
Ouch. It's definitely a thing that pretty much all the USN ship spirits we've seen are very close, and that any death will hurt like nothing else.


I'm getting some pre-Shigure vibes here...


I'm looking forward to this happening.

Nice update!
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They are close. Especially as all the girls we've seen in detail? They only have one or two sisters. Ari? Only has Pennsy. Utah? Her only sister has been scrapped, and now she considers the remaining BBs her daughters. Sara? Only has Lex. Yorktown/Little E? Only have each other, Wasp- who is not considered a Yorktown by most -and the as-yet incomplete Hornet.

Moreover, USN girls tend to serve together more than apart at this point. I struggle to think of any time that Lex and Sara didn't serve together, prior to Coral Sea (which, for the record, probably eats the hell out of post-War Sara. The one time she's not with her sister, she gets killed?). Look at Japanese girls who did the same...say, Fusou and Yamashiro. While the USN girls aren't at that level, they do care deeply about their siblings.

Shigure? I could see that comparison.

Firekicker1 said:
Let her also be a cynic and nihilist and voila! We have girl Garcher!



...hmm Little E meets Big E...
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...I'm not sure which of them would be hurt more by that meeting.

SaltyWaffles said:
Honestly, you'd forgive the IJN for thinking otherwise.

I mean, how else could they report the same ship being sunk three times and still be wrong every time?

Hell, not only did they report Yorktown as being sunk two times in the same battle (and were wrong both times), they thought that the carrier they saw the second time was so clearly undamaged and operational that it had to be a different carrier altogether. And look, another USS Yorktown carrier makes an appearance two years later.

And then there's fucking Hornet. Bombed, torpedoed, kamikaze'd? Nope, still not dead. Torpedoed again? Nope. Shot with 5-in guns at point-blank four hundred times? Still no. Fire some torpedoes at her to scuttle her? Mark 14s (or was it 15s?), so no. And look, another USS Hornet carrier makes an appearance two years later.

Even Saratoga needs to get in on that shit. Torpedoed by Long Lances on two separate occasions, still returned to combat. Savaged by kamikazes? Still not dead, and could have even been repaired to operational status if the USN wasn't loaded with Essexes and Indepences (and Enterprise), so she was converted to a training carrier.

South Dakota will tank all your shit, even your battleships, and not give a fuck.

Laffey, a tin-can destroyer, tanked six kamikaze hits and four bombs, had her entire stern and one of her AA-gun magazines aflame, and refused to sink. After receiving emergency repairs, she later collided with a submarine chaser, rescuing its crew before continuing on. After the war, she was part of Operation Crossroads, and thus, she was (kind of) nuked. Still survived. Was decontaminated and fixed up. Later served in the Korean War, and survived that, too.

And let's not even start with Battleship Row. Yamashiro would certainly beg to differ about the battleships of Pearl Harbor staying dead.
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Ayup. USN ships were tough old girls, both from design and DamCon.

wildredlifer said:
The humble Repair ship works on keeping them afloat.
Saratoga getting torped
USS Vestal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Saved Sara's life there.
Sodak patched up twice
Enterprise dragged most of her crew who was patching her up into the brawl at Santa Cruz.
They got the presidential unit citation for that one
She even has her own memorial pier right next to the Arizona memorial at pearl.
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Yup.

Icywinter said:
And now we headpat the Enterprise, because she is too darn cute for her own good.
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That was the intention. Little E is meant to be cute.

Granted, Big E needs headpats too, for entirely different reasons.
 
Skywalker_T-65 said:
They are close. Especially as all the girls we've seen in detail? They only have one or two sisters. Ari? Only has Pennsy. Utah? Her only sister has been scrapped, and now she considers the remaining BBs her daughters. Sara? Only has Lex. Yorktown/Little E? Only have each other, Wasp- who is not considered a Yorktown by most -and the as-yet incomplete Hornet.

Moreover, USN girls tend to serve together more than apart at this point. I struggle to think of any time that Lex and Sara didn't serve together, prior to Coral Sea (which, for the record, probably eats the hell out of post-War Sara. The one time she's not with her sister, she gets killed?). Look at Japanese girls who did the same...say, Fusou and Yamashiro. While the USN girls aren't at that level, they do care deeply about their siblings.

Shigure? I could see that comparison.
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Is there a lot of twins/triplets when it comes to USN DDs? :p

It is actually pretty interesting to note that the DDs from the same class and builders tend to be grouped together when it comes to checking which destroyer division and destroyer squadron they are part of. DesRon 29 of the Asiatic Fleet, for example, all came from William Cramp and Sons and with some exceptions, are mostly twins with Stewart/Pope/Peary being triplets. Of the Goldplater squadrons, only DesRon 6 has a heterogeneous mix of destroyers. Most of the others are typically solely members of their own class or have a 1850-tonner to serve as squadron flagship if there's only eight of each class.
 
Exterminatus said:
Is there a lot of twins/triplets when it comes to USN DDs? :p

It is actually pretty interesting to note that the DDs from the same class and builders tend to be grouped together when it comes to checking which destroyer division and destroyer squadron they are part of. DesRon 29 of the Asiatic Fleet, for example, all came from William Cramp and Sons and with some exceptions, are mostly twins with Stewart/Pope/Peary being triplets. Of the Goldplater squadrons, only DesRon 6 has a heterogeneous mix of destroyers. Most of the others are typically solely members of their own class or have a 1850-tonner to serve as squadron flagship if there's only eight of each class.
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Makes sense from the logistics PoV. Even ships of the same class got differences in small things like the tuning of the engines or the fitting of their gear based on the shipyard they were made, having ships of the same family on a squadron means that the pieces can be used by all ships and that mechanics of one ship knows the little nuances of the rest so they can help with repairs of another.
 
Skywalker_T-65 said:
Look at Japanese girls who did the same...say, Fusou and Yamashiro. While the USN girls aren't at that level, they do care deeply about their siblings.
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Er, Fuso was basically sunk; they were separated because Fuso was more or less dying, and staying in the ambush zone was suicide. Yamashiro followed soon after, anyway.

...I'm not sure which of them would be hurt more by that meeting.
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I'm suddenly struck by the "image" of Yorktown being saved at Midway by shipgirl!Enterprise from the future, who proceeds to go on a rampage against the Kido Butai. "The Grey Ghost" indeed. She's going to save everyone this time, and she figures the best way to do that is to relentlessly hunt down and kill every Japanese carrier and submarine she can find, even if she has to do it by herself.



Cue horror on her past!family's faces.
 
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SaltyWaffles said:
Er, Fuso was basically sunk; they were separated because Fuso was more or less dying, and staying in the ambush zone was suicide. Yamashiro followed soon after, anyway.
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In that case, I was more commenting on serving together with their sister for most of/if not all their career. Less how they ended up sinking. Probably shouldn't have put that right after Sara and Lex, in hindsight.

Though yes, that is a valid point.

SaltyWaffles said:
I'm suddenly struck by the "image" of Yorktown being saved at Midway by shipgirl!Enterprise from the future, who proceeds to go on a rampage against the Kido Butai. "The Grey Ghost" indeed. She's going to save everyone this time, and she figures the best way to do that is to relentlessly hunt down and kill every Japanese carrier and submarine she can find, even if she has to do it by herself.

Cue horror on her past!family's faces.
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Oh dear...
 
SaltyWaffles said:
I'm suddenly struck by the "image" of Yorktown being saved at Midway by shipgirl!Enterprise from the future, who proceeds to go on a rampage against the Kido Butai. "The Grey Ghost" indeed. She's going to save everyone this time, and she figures the best way to do that is to relentlessly hunt down and kill every Japanese carrier and submarine she can find, even if she has to do it by herself.


Cue horror on her past!family's faces.
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It will end with DesDiv Six capturing the Grey Ghost.
"Now let's see who this Grey Ghost really is"
*removes mask*
"It was Old Lady E all along!"
"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
:p
 
Starfield said:
It will end with DesDiv Six capturing the Grey Ghost.
"Now let's see who this Grey Ghost really is"
*removes mask*
"It was Old Lady E all along!"
"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
:p
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"You forgot something, though."
"What's that?"
"My air group."
*Enterprise proceeds to slaughter them all*

Seriously, don't make light of trauma. It never ends well.
 
I'm a bit surprised that the ship spirits are not working on trying to move themselves? I mean, moving a part of oneself - for example, the stationery of the captains office or in the map room by the bridge, would seem to be a much more useful skill, even if that only results in being able to make a pen somewhat balance on its tip. Morse is a thing. Should work on electronics as well. If you can make noise in a system, you can use that for morse messages.

Being able to communicate is useful. If one actually manages to do things like flip switches, that means sounding 'general alert' if the enemy is spotted is a possibility.

I keep wonder what the captain of a ship would say if there were nicely written letters about 'this this and this' being not ship-shape on his ship every morning, and it all proving true. Maybe some trickster who wants to play a trick on an unsuspecting new Admiral? Nevermind that, just ignore the source but send it on to Damage Control to be checked, as long as at least most of it keeps proving true. Useful, if eccentric resource. No more, no less.

What the Admiral and ship girls wants to figure out is how the ship girls best can assist each other, the crews and/or the Captains and Admirals. If you're at war, then realise the ship you are enlisted on is haunted by a poltergeist, thats really bad for morale. And survivability. However, if said poltergeist proves helpful and useful? Well. That's another story entirely. And would probably get any hopeful exorsists thrown off the boat in short order by the crew.
 
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Firekicker1 said:
...hmm Little E meets Big E...
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That actually reminds me of a old idea I had, let's see...

Idea! One that is so obvious that I'm surprised it hasn't been proposed before:

A international taskforce of shipgirls consisting mainly of American, Japanese, and British ships but with a significant German and Russian contingent[1] have just finished a battle against the Abyssals. While returning to base they run into a freak storm that grows more and more powerful until they are seemingly swamped by it. But they all wake-up, still in good condition (if a little shaken) on one of those random deserted islands that dot the Pacific. Both attempts to locate their exact position via some GPS devices they have and calls on modern radio frequencies fail until one of the cruisers tries an older frequency...

Only to pick up a news report which first discusses the situation on the Soviet-German Front followed by a report on Japanese landings in the Phillipines.

Yep, turns out the storm threw them back to mid-December 1941, after the attacks on Pearl Harbor and the German declaration of war on the US. World War 2 is fully engaged. But while the course is clear to the British, US, and (to a lesser extent) German shipgirls[2] the Japanese and Russian shipgirls are feeling more conflicted. In the former case, while they don't want to have to go through the pain of getting themselves and their country smashed... well, they also don't want to have to see their country smashed either. In the case of the Russians there is an ideological-historical divide between those who view the Soviet Union as a necessary evil to defeat Nazi Germany but otherwise bad for Russia, those who think the Soviet Union was in fact better then modern Russia (if still flawed), and those can't really make up their mind between those two ideas... even if all of them are worried about what returning to the Soviet Union would mean for them (since they all realize to a lesser or greater extent that Stalin wasn't the most trustful guy).

And at some point in there, the realization comes down that not only are they now stuck in the past but that many of them are also now in existence alongside themselves in their original form. Not only that, but many of them are now presented with the opportunity to potentially save themselves (and their crews) from being sunk.

And then there is the fact that no matter what course they settle on, their all going to have to deal with the misogyny (as well as, if applicable, Racism and homophobia) of the time.
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And then when someone made the observation that this sounds like that Yukikaze doujin...

Yeah, I know and it served as part of the inspiration for that idea. But whereas in that comic Yukikaze not only gets sent back in time, but also to a world where shipgirls always existed in this idea they just get sent back in time. Also, it's a lot more then just Yukikaze and spread across nationalities which leads to more potential clashes between both the uptimers and downtimers.

Of course, one could modify many of the details there: adding and dropping nationalities (Italians, anyone?) as well as adjusting the start date (September 1st, 1939! June 6th, 1944!) and the location (Midway! Pearl Harbour! Normandy! Stalingrad (time to act as a giant stationary artillery battery girls)!) and even, as the Yukikaze doujin did, throwing them into the world where shipgirls always existed so (for example) Zuikaku can find herself arguing with herself.
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...good thing I have the snip thread now. Damn it muse.
 
Well, as this story and my latest snips show, I subscribe to the idea the girls were around as spirits on their ships.

So in any story where they go back in time and the hulls are intact...weeeeelllll....
 
Skywalker_T-65 said:
So in any story where they go back in time and the hulls are intact...weeeeelllll....
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Well, on the caveat the shipgirls could see and talk to their past spiritselves, naturally. Although that bit of an idea was based on the possibility of the shipgirls being thrown not only back in time, but also into an alternate universe where shipgirls were a actual historical thing instead of the ships they are based on. Kinda like historical kancolle doujin or the aforementioned Yukikaze doujin. It would work similarly for this sort of thing, though, assuming the uptime shipgirls are able to see and talk to their downtime spirit selves.

For the record, my own headcanon of what the shipgirls (in the main universe) were like when they were still the spirits of ships involved them lacking any kind of human-esque conscious, emotions, or real sense of self. It was when they were summoned as shipgirls that the spirit obtains physical traits and emotions to attach to their memories. Obviously not what all fics go with and for good reason: sometimes the premise of the fic requires a different nature of what the spirits were like before summoning.

Still: Zuikaku arguing with herself. Hilarity.
 
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