Were the hell did humanity get the Valk cores from?

Did humans start to use Valks because of the Antagonist or did the Antagonist start to atack because humanity discovered Valks?

There are posts in the author's notes section that go into some detail on the subject.

The antags attacked at some point shortly after large scale mining of higgs particles from the breaches began, but that was likely entirely a coincident. Given that Yukikaze is one of the inspirations for this series, and the source for the appearance of the breaches, I would hazard that the aliens would have attacked at that point regardless of what humanity was up to.

But was that the actual reason why Ants attacked, or am I simply having my leg pulled?

They are messing with you, hands down. Also, Ants is a designation for AG dedicated anti air units. The Author uses AGs for the short hand of Antagonists. I tend to favor antags myself.
 
Hence why I had the idea of early Gen American Valk pilots being military women who were limited to use Jet parts and even had to design the schematics of any non standar upgrade to explain how it all fit together and to make sure that "No, this won't kill me in the field."

Early gen Valks are civilians and had to make do with whatever lying around when the AG hit. Mainly construction tools and stuffs. It's only afterward they all got absorbed into the Military, assigned military ranks and build up the infrastructure.
 
Considering that in real life the US has the biggest military in the planet. I don't think they wouldn't already be using whatever they could steal from the breaches to get "Bigger guns" when the Antagonists atackled. Yes they could be taken with their pants down, as Pearl Harbor showed, but after that?

Yeah I don't see just letting random kids just use Cores and use farm equipment to fight the Antagonists. But maybe there were a few insolated cases, since the US has a lot of territory.

Also, considering they had no clue what Cores are and how they work, I see the US restricting them heavily and most likely NOT letting kids near them.

This is the same country that both sold a nuclear kit to kids in the fifties and that several decades later forced toy guns to be in garish colors.

Valkiyrie cores? The general public doesn't know were they come from, they are black box tech and at least at first, they could not be mass produced.

Basically the US didn't make them, they can't even reproduce them and they would ruin the economy, think on the children!

Sure, most likely the use and regulation would be divided by state.

I see Texas and a lot of the South actually having a lot of accidents with Cores.

And yes they did try stuff like adding a whole German WWII tank to a Core,even before the war just because they could.
 
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Considering that in real life the US has the biggest military in the planet. I don't think they wouldn't already be using whatever they could steal from the breaches to get "Bigger guns" when the Antagonists atackled. Yes they could be taken with their pants down, as Pearl Harbor showed, but after that?

Yeah I don't see just letting random kids just use Cores and use farm equipment to fight the Antagonists.

Maybe there were a few insolated cases, since the US has a lot of territory.

Also, considering they had no clue what Cores are and how they work, I see the US restricting them heavily and most likely NOT letting kids near them.

This is the same country that both sold a nuclear kid to kids and that several decades later forced toy guns to be in garish colors.

The thing is, there was a huge effort after WWII on to make people think nuclear energy was safe and friendly.

Valkiyrie cores? The general public doesn't know were they come from, they are black box tech and at least at girst, they could not be mass produced.

Basically the US didn't make them, they can't even reproduce them and they would ruin the economy, think on the children!
Sure, most likely the use and regulation would be divided by state.

You're forgetting that before the Antagonists even appeared, there was an apocalyptic event that destroyed the United States as we know it. They were still finding towns in North America that had been surviving independently at the time of the attack. Basically, the USA probably didn't even exist as a country when the AG appeared. Probably several successor states being propped up by foreign aid.
 
Considering that in real life the US has the biggest military in the planet. I don't think they wouldn't already be using whatever they could steal from the breaches to get "Bigger guns" when the Antagonists atackled. Yes they could be taken with their pants down, as Pearl Harbor showed, but after that?

Yeah I don't see just letting random kids just use Cores and use farm equipment to fight the Antagonists. But maybe there were a few insolated cases, since the US has a lot of territory.

Also, considering they had no clue what Cores are and how they work, I see the US restricting them heavily and most likely NOT letting kids near them.

This is the same country that both sold a nuclear kit to kids in the fifties and that several decades later forced toy guns to be in garish colors.

Valkiyrie cores? The general public doesn't know were they come from, they are black box tech and at least at first, they could not be mass produced.

Basically the US didn't make them, they can't even reproduce them and they would ruin the economy, think on the children!

Sure, most likely the use and regulation would be divided by state.

I see Texas and a lot of the South actually having a lot of accidents with Cores.

And yes they did try stuff like adding a whole German WWII tank to a Core,even before the war just because they could.

The US were/are a non-entity, since a great catastrophe (a meteorite impact ?) happened at some point in the backstory and humanity had only slowly started to recover from it when the Antagonists appeared.

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Eh, at its origin, the US was just a bunch of states banded together. After the catastrophe it probably became a bunch of states under martial law.
 
Eh, at its origin, the US was just a bunch of states banded together. After the catastrophe it probably became a bunch of states under martial law.

Blue/Purple: United States of America:
Just as subprime as Europe, also hit first by Impact, then the Russian PERIMETR system and finally the Antagonists. Amongst the dozens of 'true successor' states to the United States of America, non in particular shone out before Australian relief efforts reached the country. Currently controls the former location of Mexico and Newfoundland.

To the west across the Atlantic, UN humanitarian teams continue to sweep the North American continent. Progress remains glacial, hampered by the extremely energetic radio emissions from the Cincinnati and Denver spatial anomalies. The construction of Higgs mining facilities within the anomalies are similarly hindered, but finally after a year, mining is ready to proceed in the Denver Spatial Anomaly, with the Cincinnati facilities projected to be complete within the coming year. With the establishment of the Sacramento and Anchorage Arcologies on the west coast in conjunction with the construction of the Atlanta, Washington and Montreal Arcologies on the east coast, relief forces are finding it easier than ever to move across the continent. Despite the devastation as teams skirt the edges of the areas directly affected by Impact, more and more surviving enclaves of humans are discovered day after day. The surviving population is above even best case projections, such that it is actually beyond the capabilities of the extant UN taskforce to support. The situation is not regarded as urgent however, as the discovered enclaves tended to be in good spirits, having survived long enough to stabilise. The passing of UN resolution 121, colloquially named the Manifest Destiny document, will vastly increase the size of the UN commitment to the North American continent and formally declares that humans will once again unite the two coastlines of North America, severed by Impact in all meaningful manner.

In somewhat more amusing news, although unconfirmed, it is said that the discovered enclaves are already conspiring with each other to host a long delayed election for the 45th president of the United States of America.

I only took a quick look through some of @Avalanche's posts, but really, North America pretty much ceased to be an actor on the world stage until the UN helped them.
 
This is from Update 17 which includes a year-in-review for 2055 (Antagonists arrived in 2057 and it is now 2070)

Closely entwined with these issues are continued protests by world governments against Iranian projects into the militarisation of Miracle Cores. Experts globally are in agreement that the state sanctioned use of Miracle Cores as weapon systems will, thanks to their very nature, lead into a perpetual and uncontrollable global arms race, utterly derailing reconstruction efforts. Iran on the other hand continues to claim that the United Nations Central Government already maintains a military force comprised of Core Partners with weapons integrated into their frames.

So there probably was some basic militarization of cores but probably not a lot.
 
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10-20 years post impact? Just as an e.g.?

US is gone. Western seaboard is almost certainly better off than eastern seaboard, due to A) guys on the other side of pacific are fine, vs Eur is basically gone, B) proximity to mexico (which presumably became a core UN terrotory eventually, if only because the UN has continued to hold mexico after anchorage was lost). Also i think rising sea levels drowned less shit on western seaboard than eastern but dont quote me on that (certainly less than south though). UN may or may not be engaged in humanitarian efforts in murica by now, otherwise should start within another 10-15 years... Maybe longer though. Notable presences besides mexico in NA... Could vary. Several cities on west coast could have survived impact based on the very rough map we have, and all of them potentially might have held on for long enough to reestablish proper food sourcing -- Mors Innocentia made something of a point about this. Biggest factors probably the health of the marine ecosystems in proximity -- I could definitely see calif north to western canada pulling together and being pretty much fine within 15 years if government forces acted ruthlessly/decisively enough with rationing, put all the gas towards fishing uses, ration food, etc. It wouldn't be pretty by any means, but...

Anything on the other side of the rockies is probably drowned, a crater, lost to famine following the certain ruin of agriculture for years after impact (?), or very small. All the coast being drowned makes it hard to rely on marine food sources since all the places that were engaged in that sort of thing are gone.

So, mexicans and west coast. And then whatever military groups pull together and whatnot. Plenty of ways to carve out a kingdom with all the hardware you'd have lying around in murica, maybe? Also entirely possible that a carrier group or two survived impact which could have all sorts of repercussions.

So generally the point is that you can probably make whatever claim you want about post-impact NA within reason since its probably hugely dependent on having the right people in the right places make the right calls with whatever is available to them (not that we know what is available to them, sketchy map sketch.).

I mean, hell, suppose, like, San Francisco, Seattle, and Victoria get out of impact pretty much without direct damage. Unlikely, but not impossible based on map. Put a carrier group at sea, have it survive. Carrier group pulls up at some harbor on west coast eight months later via comms over a sat or something. Suddenly you've got an NA west coast with enough military power to be an incredibly unappealing target, all the technological knowhow you could think of needing, something of an industrial base or at least enough scraps of one to put one back together, enough land that is or will be fertile to support the population long term once proper storage is available, fish out the wazoo somewhere (cough Washington cough) in the mean time, and frankly you could probably renovate the carrier into a nuclear powered fish fridge if you needed to.

Add valk cores to that, instant nation-state. 6th core member of UN, potentially.

Do i think that's canon? Hell no. Not even close.

... *looks up* oh wow.... Rambly. Lol.
 
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I just want to exploit every opportunity to use this button. Sorry. :V

My brain.

And you can't beat that. *sage nod* :p

I'm full of Epileptic Trees. And you never know if one of them is the truth. ;)



Hm, also it seems that people don't know about just how much military power Texas has in it's borders. There's no way a fractured US wouldn't have a strong Republic of Texas when we have the largest military stockpile in the Western World in our pocket.

Seriously, Fort Hood alone is bigger than most cities.
...and now I'm arguing a fictional location in a fictional story as if I was on the fictional board. Since the story is in Oz, we'd never know details.
 
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Pretty sure that's entirely dependent on how much of Texas survives whatever did the fracturing.

It was a fragmented alien meteorite (well, more likely a weapon or transport device, given that it was called the "Impactor"), likely along with chunks of the moon, which triggered a dead man's switch nuclear exchange. Given that it's an automatic nuclear strike, military sites were likely targeted.
 
It was a fragmented alien meteorite (well, more likely a weapon or transport device, given that it was called the "Impactor"), likely along with chunks of the moon, which triggered a dead man's switch nuclear exchange. Given that it's an automatic nuclear strike, military sites were likely targeted.

....actually, believe it or not, they thought about that when they designed the sites.

Officially the silos wouldn't go off from a celestial event. ...Officially.

But that's real life, and that's stranger than fiction. :D Also, and this is 100% true, said sites had a true launch code of 000000000. Not a joke.


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But yea, depends on what hit. Texas still has lots of materials, Fort Hood's only on the 1000+ launch target list, not the first strike list. Most of the other smaller sites weren't targeted.

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Sorry, post-apoc is a bit of a hobby of mine. I found out lots of weird details that are just... weird. Like ND/SD would be glass, they were one of our main silo sites and would be BLANKETED by nuke strikes. Like 10 times over, to make sure.
 
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Looking at the world map though...
No, Texas is fucked. It got partially submerged and a Major Breach is parking pretty much in front of it. Two of 'em even.

Not as fucked as Florida though.
:V
 
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