Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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Communism would probably still be known for mass starvation. Just strike the Soviet Union off the list and instead the world uses Maos 5 year plan on why Communism = starvation.
That's too far in the future to say - with an example of more balanced modernization working in the USSR (assuming we win the war lol) and probably being less isolated geopolitically, will they even want to push so hard on industrialization?

That said, plenty of people are still dying in the labor divisions, repression etc. If it's more than in western industrialization, hard to say.
 
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It's entirely possible that we manage to head off all the worst historical disasters via greater economic integration and success across the communist bloc, the Soviet model of agriculture TTL is obviously wildly successful and I'm sure we'd love to sell the Chinese expert advice and tractors and fertilizer at very socialist-fraternal rates. This is definitely not just offloading all our obsolete garbage for a quick buck when it comes time to upgrade it all.
We would also provide expert advice and equipment but we need to make room for newer models, that is why we send them to our allies.
 
I just realized with Kulik dead we may see development and refinement of Taubin's automatic grenade launcher. At the very least, Mikoyan probably isn't going to let a potential weapon designer get executed on such flimsy reasons as OTL if he can help it.
 
I just realized with Kulik dead we may see development and refinement of Taubin's automatic grenade launcher. At the very least, Mikoyan probably isn't going to let a potential weapon designer get executed on such flimsy reasons as OTL if he can help it.

While saving Taubin himself was a nice benefit (It's another still functional OKB, and we can't have too many of those), I'm not sure about his grenade launcher. If we go by the comparison available in linked article - AG-2 might have longer range, but noted inaccuracy means that effectiveness at longer ranges is rather low, and the standard light mortar has two significant advantages to it's name - one, shell that is bigger and presumably has better effect, and two - that mortar is very light.

Unless Taubin and company make a breakthrough (better accuracy, longer range, or what have you) in time for GPW - and they're unlikely to, as there won't be much more time than he got OTL, and AGLs started proliferating in second half of 60s - their grenade launcher probably would be more of a gimmick weapon than a war winner, IMO.
 
While saving Taubin himself was a nice benefit (It's another still functional OKB, and we can't have too many of those), I'm not sure about his grenade launcher. If we go by the comparison available in linked article - AG-2 might have longer range, but noted inaccuracy means that effectiveness at longer ranges is rather low, and the standard light mortar has two significant advantages to it's name - one, shell that is bigger and presumably has better effect, and two - that mortar is very light.

Unless Taubin and company make a breakthrough (better accuracy, longer range, or what have you) in time for GPW - and they're unlikely to, as there won't be much more time than he got OTL, and AGLs started proliferating in second half of 60s - their grenade launcher probably would be more of a gimmick weapon than a war winner, IMO.
Oh I agree, it's mostly novelty. But it's the first automatic grenade launcher in the world- if it gets more development and technical support (easily possible give our investments in education and technical professionals) we could see something more useful.

I don't expect it to replace the light mortar at this juncture but I could see it as a secondary or tertiary company fire support weapon with some TLC. But it is ultimately a proof of concept first and foremost, if one that deserves further funding.
 
Turn 20.33 A new Plan, a new Goal, a new Army.
Turn 20.33 A new Plan, a new Goal, a new Army.

After five years of hard work and a constant press for more production and more industry and persistent issues over the plan, the staff deserves some form of break; what better opportunity can there be for such a break when October comes around with widespread celebrations all over the department and union. The plan is almost over, and so far, all of the goals have been achieved, for once, causing there to be genuine smiles in the department. Even Bazarov manages to grudgingly come along to celebrations later in the day after he was dragged out with the offer of celebratory drinks.

In the traditional fashion of many Soviets trying to celebrate their achievements, nearly everyone wanted to get some form of alcohol. However, this quest for drinks rapidly ran into a logistical issue as the bulk of the department all lives around the same building, and mostly in the same neighborhoods and goes to the same bars. Rapidly, this causes a large scale pileup and a rapid organization of the local bars to ensure that everyone can get a few drinks. As the party keeps going in the frigid Moscow air, problems start mounting as the supply of alcohol is insufficient for everyone to get what they want, and there is a lack of bartenders. Tragically, the organizational system rapidly falls apart as the people trying to keep everything moving steadily become more and more inebriated.

However, multiple lower departmental engineers rise to the occasion with aplomb, attempting to organize new deliveries of Vodka and personnel when drunk. This, of course, ends immensely predictably as there are multiple misplanned deliveries of more drinks and a consistent issue in obtaining more alcohol. Still, the party goes on, as a good quarter of the staff continues their quests towards more department resources. However, as the night falls, their efforts mostly fail, causing a great degree of disappointment and Bazarov to disappear into the night.

On the next evening, though, the bulk of the building's workspaces are a scene of absolute chaos as there is a multitude of engineering and military personnel asleep in the conference rooms. The building staff appears to be dead tired, trying to fulfill their work, and almost everyone is hungover. According to some of the people in the statistical commissariat, some women managed to take Bazarov home, and the department is happy to do his work for a few days. The day though, has a slightly lowered degree of productivity as while morale cannot be higher, no one is excited for the concepts of things such as lights and loud noises.

Progress however still needs to be made on the plan, and the next targets that must be fulfilled must be decided for the department, as there are a large number of hopes for the third plan. The militarization of the Union is a critical endeavor and needs a massive quantity of resources committed. Currently, while there is a considerable argument as to how the army should be built up, the factor in the universal agreement is the need for almost four million personnel to be mobilized as a low measure. At the same time more and more steel is needed greatly inflating the goals for the MFPG as total domestic production is needed to feed the ever-growing military industry. At the same time, with the surplus of food and consumer goods, they have been relatively de-prioritized for this plan.

Civilian Plan Selection:
[]150% Increases in MFPG, 100% Increases in Capital Goods, 50% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 20% increase in food production: (-30 Party Influence, Small scale plan)

[]175% Increases in MFPG, 120% Increases in Capital Goods, 75% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 20% increase in food production: (-20 Party Influence, Unambitious plan)

[]200% Increases in MFPG, 120% Increases in Capital Goods, 100% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 30% increase in food production: (-10 Party Influence, The Standard Proposed plan)

[]200% Increases in MFPG, 150% Increases in Capital Goods, 125% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 40% increase in food production (+10 party support, Fully unachievable)

[]250% Increases in MFPG, 200% Increases in Capital Goods, 150% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 50% increase in food production: (+20 party support, Utter insanity according to economists)


Then there is another critical question of how much funding should be dedicated towards investment as the current expansion and mobilization of the military will take a considerable amount of resources.

[] 25% GNP: The lower investment funding that is needed to be able to fund the upsizing of the military along with reducing investment intensity. Favored by economists to reduce the strain on the economy. (540 Resources per turn) (+10 Party Influence)

[] 30% GNP: A reduction in investment funding to a more moderate position. While fewer resources are freed up for the economy, mobilizations can still proceed well. (640 Resources per turn)

[] 35% GNP: With a continuation of the current massive spending level, further economic growth can be ensured. While this will cut into military investments, economic growth is clearly a higher priority than the military. (740 Resources per turn) (-15 Party Influence)

In terms of the military, mobilization and research targets must be set to ensure that the army can keep up with the times and establish a number of men to be mobilized.

First, the general military size construction target must be set.

[]Large Scale Buildup: The need for a large-scale buildup of the red army is immense as there are capitalists and fascists on every corner. While this buildup will be a massive industrial strain, it will construct an army capable of fighting the powers of reaction. (+20 Party Influence, ~8 million men in the field by 1943, Necessitates enormous government spending, cannot be taken with 35% or 30%)

[]Moderate Scale Buildup: While a large scale of military buildup would be preferable, the current focus on the economy would be better served by modernization along with a mild buildup of the army. (~6 million men in the field by 1943, Necessitates considerable government spending, cannot be taken with 35%)

[]Small Scale Buildup: While the forces of reaction are sizable and mounting, a large scale buildup can be delayed, giving more time to spend resources on the economy. (-20 Party Influence, ~4 million men in the field by 1943, Necessitates moderate government spending)

Then a developmental target for new techniques and technologies.

[]Heavy Investments: The production of new experimental technologies should be a high priority for funding. Every possible project that can create some improvement should be pursued, despite the costs. (+5 Party Influence, Lots of options, massive costs)

[]Moderate Investments: Prioritize in-doctrine approaches and improvements to problems that look likely to work. Much cheaper than heavy investments, such options prevent the creation of too radical shifts from proven equipment, allowing a good degree of conservation of resources. (Moderate options, some leaps forward, current trial costs)

Given that this plan is going to by necessity be incredibly military-focused, how many resources should be transferred over? (Dice amount will go Free/ Infrastructure/ Heavy Industry/ Light and Chemical Industry/ Agriculture/ Services/ Military/ Bureaucracy)

[]5/8/10/6/6/5/7/2: The current departmental administrative spread, changes nothing.

[]4/6/10/6/4/5/10/2: Transfers a considerable number of bureaucrats to the military at the cost of free capacity, infrastructure, and agriculture.

[]4/8/12/6/4/4/8/2: Transfers a considerable number of bureaucrats to the military and heavy industry and services at the cost of free capacity, services, and agriculture.

4-hour Moratorium, vote by plan, the next turns will have foreign policy and/or military overviews between updates.
 
[]150% Increases in MFPG, 100% Increases in Capital Goods, 50% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 20% increase in food production: (-30 Party Influence, Small scale plan)

[]175% Increases in MFPG, 120% Increases in Capital Goods, 75% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 20% increase in food production: (-20 Party Influence, Unambitious plan)

[]200% Increases in MFPG, 120% Increases in Capital Goods, 100% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 30% increase in food production: (-10 Party Influence, The Standard Proposed plan)

[]200% Increases in MFPG, 150% Increases in Capital Goods, 125% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 40% increase in food production (+10 party support, Fully unachievable)

[]250% Increases in MFPG, 200% Increases in Capital Goods, 150% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 50% increase in food production: (+20 party support, Utter insanity according to economists)
The reward for good work? More work.
 
Well, those mobilization targets are all for '43, so we're going to want at least the middle ground one and honestly maybe even the massive mobilization to have anything worth calling an army in the field in '41
 
Hmm. Can we make do with 25% GNP? Because we do want The Red Army to have more funding to mobilize faster.
 
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Yeah I think 25% GNP is going to be necessary, we need a Red Army as mobilized as possible to minimize long-term damage from the war. We've done a significant amount of building, now it's time to use all that productive capacity to protect ourselves so the Nazis can't blow up all our hard work.
 
[] Plan Perfectly Balanced

[]200% Increases in MFPG, 120% Increases in Capital Goods, 100% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 30% increase in food production: (-10 Party Influence, The Standard Proposed plan)
[] 30% GNP:
A reduction in investment funding to a more moderate position. While fewer resources are freed up for the economy, mobilizations can still proceed well. (640 Resources per turn)
[]Moderate Scale Buildup: While a large scale of military buildup would be preferable, the current focus on the economy would be better served by modernization along with a mild buildup of the army. (~6 million men in the field by 1943, Necessitates considerable government spending, cannot be taken with 35%)
[]Moderate Investments: Prioritize in-doctrine approaches and improvements to problems that look likely to work. Much cheaper than heavy investments, such options prevent the creation of too radical shifts from proven equipment, allowing a good degree of conservation of resources. (Moderate options, some leaps forward, current trial costs)
[]5/8/10/6/6/5/7/2: The current departmental administrative spread, changes nothing.

Moderation in all things.
 
Yeah I think 25% GNP is going to be necessary, we need a Red Army as mobilized as possible to minimize long-term damage from the war. We've done a significant amount of building, now it's time to use all that productive capacity to protect ourselves so the Nazis can't blow up all our hard work.

That'd mean only 540 resources available for everything. While we have 200 in reserve, would it be enough to get by loading all dice while we're rushing Magnitogorsk - something that is likely to take two turns at least?

Also, could we go with the second reallocation choice, for these 12 Heavy Industry dice?
 
For at least the first couple turns, our stockpiled resources should be able to make up some of the difference in a 25% plan.

We're liable to hit Resource Shortage after that though. But on the other hand, I'm worried about the economy staying redlined for so long, and the army does need funding. I do think we should go down to at least 30% funding, but I'm not so sure on 25%. That'd make it a lot harder to get out stuff like increased radiofication and synthetic rubber.
4-hour Moratorium, vote by plan, the next turns will have foreign policy and/or military overviews between updates.
And everyone, keep in mind. Foreign Policy and/or Military Overview will also likely have stuff that costs PI for us to implement. Whatever the end plan is, it should make sure to avoid blowing our PI stockpile on just the stuff here.
 
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[] Plan Swimming in PI

[]200% Increases in MFPG, 150% Increases in Capital Goods, 125% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 40% increase in food production (+10 party support, Fully unachievable)
[] 25% GNP:
The lower investment funding that is needed to be able to fund the upsizing of the military along with reducing investment intensity. Favored by economists to reduce the strain on the economy. (540 Resources per turn) (+10 Party Influence)
[]Large Scale Buildup: The need for a large-scale buildup of the red army is immense as there are capitalists and fascists on every corner. While this buildup will be a massive industrial strain, it will construct an army capable of fighting the powers of reaction. (+20 Party Influence, ~8 million men in the field by 1943, Necessitates enormous government spending, cannot be taken with 35% or 30%)
[]Moderate Investments: Prioritize in-doctrine approaches and improvements to problems that look likely to work. Much cheaper than heavy investments, such options prevent the creation of too radical shifts from proven equipment, allowing a good degree of conservation of resources. (Moderate options, some leaps forward, current trial costs)
[]4/8/12/6/4/4/8/2: Transfers a considerable number of bureaucrats to the military and heavy industry and services at the cost of free capacity, services, and agriculture.

+40 PI total, bringing our total to 90 I believe?
 
[]4/8/12/6/4/4/8/2: Transfers a considerable number of bureaucrats to the military and heavy industry and services at the cost of free capacity, services, and agriculture.

I prefer this one. Heavy industry and Military are the main goal next turn. My hope is to get Magnitogorsk stage 5 quickly and than get Gorky for resource increase.
 
Yeah. With military/HI reallocation we have a good chance of completing stage 5 Magnitogorsk this winter, at a mere commitment of 15/16 dice (and 300/320 resources), meaning next summer we would be able to dump dice into Zlatoust and Stoylenskoe.

With full military reallocation, it's at most 14 dice available...
 
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Ahhhhh. I am now leaning toward 30% GNP because we will kinda be the one who will be making the Mil Factory.

Edit: With 30% GNP and massive focus on Military factories, we might be able to meet the moderate mobilization target pretty fast? That might be enough to get enough men in the field to face the Wehrmacht.
 
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I'm leaning towards large buildup and 25%GNP. Play some of that PI into an unambiguous 5YP and we should be set. With any luck we can focus on projects that give us more resources. Worst case we could step back on some of the ULAG spending.
 
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