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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition
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Rockeye
Plausible Engineer
- Location
- Midwestern U.S.
End of the second Five Year Plan status-
ALL PLAN GOALS MET.
- Location
- California
When the prison labor gangs and their Engineering Commissars both agree that the new guys can't work.
Rockeye
Plausible Engineer
- Location
- Midwestern U.S.
We did so almost accidentally, picking the least severe option when poking peasants away from their fields, price cuts. And then mostly ignoring farm actions for a while. When we had recently sold off our grain surplis.
Then we got a scare but no actual famine, and dumped tons of dice into the voluntary cooperatives and caught up.
Then we got a scare but no actual famine, and dumped tons of dice into the voluntary cooperatives and caught up.
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- California
Under Communism there shall be no Hunger! Also, this just in collapse in farming communities over prices! Party working on the Matter.
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- New York
No need Comrade. Notice how we almost eliminated the Peasant occupation but increased food supply? Now those former Peasants can turned into productive workers...
Edit: Replace the word Peasant with Farmer, but in Soviet society said term is used interchangeably.
It's almost like we don't need to use the heavy handed approach every time to get good results.
We seem to have avoided a lot of OTL problems by just being chill and providing people with the means to handle stuff at the lower levels. Sergo and Anastas' secret? Delegation
Well now we need to make the law that will truly help the Soviet Union from falling (and also be truthful to the people to a Degree like saying facts but with some not facts and taking crisis seriously and if chonoble happens act like a true government that helps the people )
The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
- Location
- Wherever I am, which isn't where I'm not
If we want to keep the Union from falling we can start by arranging an unfortunate accident for Brezhnev.
HanEmpire
Delicious
Brezhnev won't rise far in the Party without Khrushchev there to back him.
Still, I think it may be worth our while to arrange for him to suffocate on his eyebrows in his sleep.
It was an accident, honest! You shouldn't let caterpillars live on your face like that.
HanEmpire
Delicious
The guy hasn't done anything though, he's just a low ranking officer right now. What's he done to warrant Mikoyan's attention? Besides with the amount of accurate & precise reporting culture we're creating the level of corruption in the Soviet Union won't go nearly as high.
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- United States
So we've met our obligations or are close enough. I suppose we spend our remaining time and resources addressing our economic issues to build a buffer for the next steps.
Also, would it be possible to set up a recycling initiative and/or rationing board to reduce consumption of resources?
Also, would it be possible to set up a recycling initiative and/or rationing board to reduce consumption of resources?
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HanEmpire
Delicious
We just finished the 2nd FYP. Next turn is overview of the 2nd FYP and setting new targets.
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- United States
Wow, we really cut it close didn't we?
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Completing the plan in full at all was impossible according to the economists. That we managed it without any book-cooking is amazing in and of itself.
Rolen von Keng
Sleeping Green Bear
- Location
- The Wilderness
And how many people died compared to OTL Five Year Plans?
Probably much less than that, but if anyone can give the ratio and number between the two, I will be very grateful! ^-^
Probably much less than that, but if anyone can give the ratio and number between the two, I will be very grateful! ^-^
Now that I remembered it, IIRC, the main reason the economists considered it
impossible in full comes down to the fact that their hypotheticals do not include us shovelling 35% of the Union's GNP towards economic development for five years straight. We pretty much redlined the economy to such a point that had we gone the OTL Union route of going full bore Heavy Industry, I think we'd be looking at the best-case scenario of post-war recession due to the lack of civilian/consumer industry.As it is though, we have a balanced economy that we can probably keep going at the current industrialization pace up until Barbarossa fires.
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- his hidden lair
That does sort of beg the question what economists abroad and at home will takeaway from the successes of the five year plan, given Mikoyan's emphasis on foreign trade and technocratic culture of the VSNKh there's probably a bit more engagement with western intellectuals on some level than OTL. If Sergo could keep Bazarov's Bazarovness hidden, I don't think our economists bragging about the successes of their central planning model (now with actual data!) is outside the question.
Battleherb
Disposable minion
Good point I really enjoyed the newspaper snippet, this time however they will be talking about THE INFINITE POWER OF THE PARTY.
HanEmpire
Delicious
We've just proven that state distortion of market forces with large scale, multi-sector development projects can produce tremendously good results. I'm no economist, but the way I see it we might see a surge of state-business partnerships throughout the western sphere. Instead of destabilizing everything via communist-style nationalizations, the state could sponsor established big businesses within certain strategic economic sectors in order to minimize their losses and incentivize growth. This could allow the state to mobilize the resources of the upper class and the institutional knowledge of the successful big businesses towards the outcomes it wants. If the state is interested in increased standards of living and a stabilized economy, then it can tie tax breaks and permits to increased number of jobs and/or worker benefits. If the state wants more exports to bring in foreign currency, it can crush the unions and give businesses interest-free loans to produce high quality goods to sell at competitive prices to foreign markets.
Of course, this sort of arrangement will remove any form of anti-trust laws and crush small to mid-sized businesses since the state won't look at the little guys to produce the massive results it wants. Instead it will lead to mega-corporations that are so closely wedded to the state that they all become Too Big To Fail, causing them to decay into Crony Capitalism.
A good IRL example of this would be South Korea's partnership with the Chaebol Conglomerates throughout the Park Presidency which modernized the country but has since turned into something of a RL cyberpunk economy:
Five-Year Plans of South Korea - Wikipedia
Miracle on the Han River - Wikipedia
Chaebol - Wikipedia
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The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
- Location
- Wherever I am, which isn't where I'm not
Flipside is that unless they think we're just bullshitting on our numbers we may have scared the capitalists into being more willing to appease fascism so long as they can direct the fascists towards us first, and more willing to play games with their war effort so as to maximize the damage we take during the GPW.
However, the West won't be willing to industrialize their colonies enough to compete with us, while they also won't be willing to import expendable laborers from those colonies in the numbers necessary to carry out the sort of crash infrastructural and industrial programs we've done this past decade. This should render Britain and France irrelevant over time, and prevent the US from fully utilizing its pseudo-colonies in Latin America. China would be more willing, but they have fewer resources to work with. Japan and Germany are going to have boots planted firmly on their necks for at least a few years post-war and will be totally devastated on top of it.
Speaking of Japan, while capital ships aren't something we want to worry about for the Third and possibly even Fourth FYP, we probably do want to build up some sealift and amphibious landing capability, enough to successfully grab at least Hokkaido once the Americans have sufficiently attritted the Japanese navy. Also as a base for our merchant marine post-war, of course.
However, the West won't be willing to industrialize their colonies enough to compete with us, while they also won't be willing to import expendable laborers from those colonies in the numbers necessary to carry out the sort of crash infrastructural and industrial programs we've done this past decade. This should render Britain and France irrelevant over time, and prevent the US from fully utilizing its pseudo-colonies in Latin America. China would be more willing, but they have fewer resources to work with. Japan and Germany are going to have boots planted firmly on their necks for at least a few years post-war and will be totally devastated on top of it.
Speaking of Japan, while capital ships aren't something we want to worry about for the Third and possibly even Fourth FYP, we probably do want to build up some sealift and amphibious landing capability, enough to successfully grab at least Hokkaido once the Americans have sufficiently attritted the Japanese navy. Also as a base for our merchant marine post-war, of course.