Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition
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well, top 2 plans only really differ in the budget.
We're already hitting the managers hard with the retroactive implementation. Also lowering their budget might lead to too many failing all at once I think, which could potentially spiral out of control.
We'll have a relatively low budget with 15+15, but hopefully we can take some actions to raise it early, and use as many dice as possible on cheap options (once we've taken the "mandatory" more expensive ones).
Also hey... it's ALWAYS unpopular to lower public spending/raise taxes, but if we want our economy to do well in the long term that's kinda what we have to do now that things are going mostly well/we're in the boom part of the cycle. it's not like we're being left with nothing.
Can we still use our free dice on bureaucracy? that at least comes with usually zero costs, and worst case we can get the bonus to other projects
well, top 2 plans only really differ in the budget.
We're already hitting the managers hard with the retroactive implementation. Also lowering their budget might lead to too many failing all at once I think, which could potentially spiral out of control.
We'll have a relatively low budget with 15+15, but hopefully we can take some actions to raise it early, and use as many dice as possible on cheap options (once we've taken the "mandatory" more expensive ones).
Also hey... it's ALWAYS unpopular to lower public spending/raise taxes, but if we want our economy to do well in the long term that's kinda what we have to do now that things are going mostly well/we're in the boom part of the cycle. it's not like we're being left with nothing.
Can we still use our free dice on bureaucracy? that at least comes with usually zero costs, and worst case we can get the bonus to other projects
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Pretty sure we cannot, the free dice denotes the ministry's capability for the most part, not the Minister's ability to do politics. It probably would not be a good ideia anyway, since we don't have the clout Voz had.
I think that especially at the start of the plan, we will need to leave some dice idle, since we should probably avoid funding Smelyakov's projects, and instead go for early plan profits to compensate for our lacking income and those will probably have expensive dice.
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even if we did not have political capital for actual reforms, there's still the usual +10 to another project, and the reassess current situation action as well.
That's only if we can use the free dice on the bureaucracy category, of course
I agree we'll definitely have to leave some dice idle, even as I obviously dislike it. Hopefully we can get the economy improving quickly by adding LOTS of roads and the canal, indirectly raising our budget.
And obviously the more obvious direct raise from, say, more consumer goods, more oil, more plastics and so on.
As usual, actions that will raise our income will be a priority in the first couple of turns, beside the more urgent and near-mandatory ones like, well, roads and canal.
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The Amur cascade already kinda does that, just by converting the value of the electricity into storable and shippable aluminum. Directly selling electricity will probably never make sense, the geography just doesn't work out with how far our dams are from our own population/industry centers, much less Chinese ones, but selling things made with the electricity is already planned.
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I apologise for being a little one track mind on the issue, but in the long term building a culture that does not associate beef and prosperity is one of the best way we have to slow down climate change a bit. Cattle farming is responsible for a significant amount of emissions and meat in general is extremely inefficient from an environmental impacts perspective, it requires a substantially higher amount of land and greenhouse gases emission per kcal and per nutrients than most other options. Unless we are strictly required to do so by public demand we can deal with agriculture in a more reasonable way (changing the measures to evaluate the sector away from profit, trying to diversify our coltures and intesify the production of legumes and other crops that improve soil quality and require minimal use of fertiliser, trying to aggregate smallholder farmers into communities, create demand for non grains from CMEA members)
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Its way too late for that, during the malenkov era we did like 7 or 8 stages of factory farming which included meat, pork, milk and egg production because the population wanted meat and diary. So in short we already have a culture that associates it with prosperity and trying to ignore that at this stage is not an option
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Besides, climate change is kinda out of our hands and even if we did everything we could to delay it, it would be much worse than OTL. China alone with no one child policy or disastrous industrialization policies will blow past any reductions in greenhouse gas emissions we can achieve compared to OTL due to a larger population and economy. India will face this too to a lesser extent, since they haven't killed millions as OTL and can reap the peace dividend of only having to deal with China instead of China and Pakistan.
The biggest thing we can do to mitigate things imo is nuclearizing our grid so we save hundreds of thousands of premature deaths and billions in healthcare costs from pivoting away from coal before renewables become economical, and doing river reversal to save the Aral. Us introducing AC to new generation housing will also help a lot when the wet bulb effect hits. Anyway, ecology quest will be wild.
The biggest thing we can do to mitigate things imo is nuclearizing our grid so we save hundreds of thousands of premature deaths and billions in healthcare costs from pivoting away from coal before renewables become economical, and doing river reversal to save the Aral. Us introducing AC to new generation housing will also help a lot when the wet bulb effect hits. Anyway, ecology quest will be wild.
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"climate change response quest" sounds like a fun idea
Yeah, the idea of not getting meat on the table for everyone forever is just a non-starter. It is firmly associated with prosperity in everyone's mind for centuries already and trying to limit it out of concerns for climate change is such an absurd thought for characters it's not even going to cross their minds. Even if it did, though, in all probability, they would make a conscious choice to fuck over climate just to eat meat anyway.
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Blackstar has been talking about it as a potential sequel quest for a good while iirc, and it would definitely be fun. We would ironically probably constantly be at odds with the MNKh because of super funds and polluting factories making number go up lol
Yeah the climate change cat left the bag decades ago, and the people wanting meat cat like... millennia ago. It's just not feasible to care about either of those issues as a gosplan bureaucrat in 1965, not if we want to keep our job anyways.
I don't know that a more rapidly increasing population will have as much effect as expected - a faster increase leads to a faster decrease later. Almost all the same dynamics are in place.
In fact, it's possible that "concentrating" the increase might ultimately cause the global population to decline sooner and faster than OTL, since a larger portion of the population will have the same portion of time to have children or not.
In fact, it's possible that "concentrating" the increase might ultimately cause the global population to decline sooner and faster than OTL, since a larger portion of the population will have the same portion of time to have children or not.
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So long as global warming hurts the Americans more than us, it is good!
WEAPONIZE THE COWS!!!!
WEAPONIZE THE COWS!!!!
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Tragically, that costs way too much gas and piping, easier to just let the cows fart and use fans to keep air circulation.
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...were we seriously, even for just a moment, seriously considering collecting Cows' farts to burn?
Really?!
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That was mostly sarcasm in terms of measures that would viably reduce methane output, there really arent any outside of basically changing cow microbiomes.