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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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notgreat said:
RLA-Interplanetary Stage (1*0)+77=77
Formalized Moon Program (1*0)+3=3
Atmospheric Data Satellite Program (1*0)+76=76
Expanded Luna Program (1*0)+23=23
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No moon mission, only satellite and probe, top kek :V

notgreat said:
Agricultural Intensification 0+(3*29)+53+68+39=247/250 (omake?)(41.79%/53.00%)
Second Generation Herbicides 0+(2*29)+4+46=108/200(17.70%/27.75%)
Rural-Zone Assessment 196+(1*29)+7=232/250(76.00%/91.00%)
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Clearly we attempted to fulfill the plan ;)

notgreat said:
Communal Museum Programs 0+(2*29)+95+85=238/150(59.05%/71.50%)
Expanded Childcare(Stage 1) 0+(1*29)+55=84/250
Expanded Combustion Processing 155+(1*29)+26=210/175(100.00%/100.00%)
Goods Distribution Points 0+(2*29)+89+43=190/150(59.05%/71.50%)
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Excited for Soviet Walmart.

notgreat said:
Low Work Hour Test Cases (1*5)+90=95
Education Commission Reassessment (1*5)+82=87
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Better edu, lower work hour, truly we are building a worker paradise 🥰
 
Crazycryodude said:
Big oofs down here, however. We're definitely not making out Agriculture target this FYP. Omake completing Agricultural Intensification will stem the bleeding a little bit at least, but Rural Zone Assessment failing is particularly rough. At least it will be done next turn and still factor into the new FYP cycle, but it would have been nice to just finish that already. Might need to put another few Free Dice into Ag next turn just to continue pressure on the wound...
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The target is based on value, not production.

So, all we need to do is cut subsidies and the value will go up with the fiod price. It's foolproof.
 
Ultranumb said:
Why not invite american super investor like blackrock for more resources?
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Is this a joke? I mean, for starters, Blackrock won't exist for another 25 years into the future yet. Second of all... we're a communist world superpower, we don't exactly want to be letting American companies own capital/economic enterprises inside our country. We do business with the Americans, we have for decades, but business in the form of trading actual physical products or licensing fees for technology with Soviet owned and operated enterprises. They don't outright own Soviet assets, and probably never will.
 
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10ebbor10 said:
The target is based on value, not production.

So, all we need to do is cut subsidies and the value will go up with the fiod price. It's foolproof.
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Well, unless Voz fucks up coalition building and the reform can't get implemented. I still think we have a shot, but it's not dice proof or voz-brained politics proof.
 
Thanks for the rundown @doruma1920 . Although, I question if "Urban Cars" counts as a positive... Man, we cut it pretty close on labor actually! We're sure going hard. What alarms me most is the steel situation. Despite having outproduced MegaMag many times over this plan, we've built so much heavy industry we are only slightly above the threshold for cheaper Infra dice. There's a nonzero possibility of us going under next turn from passive demand alone. We need to expand Novokuznetsk asap- something which will use up EVEN MORE Burn Rock than a power plan. We're at -94 already, I do not think our rail network or the supreme soviet will like us if we add 60 more import demand from the steel mill AND power + likely passive. Importation which would include large amounts of shitty German lignite mind you.

We need that canal. And if we need to put off completing Severouralsk until then, so be it. A little aluminum importing for a year is probably preferable to seeing our Burn Rock deficit fall to depths greater than the 1958 peak prior to The Voz starting mine work.


Crazycryodude said:
So much potential salt at watching the Americans race ahead lost, forever, because Glushko's drunken meme rocket actually pulled a miracle out of its ass and worked.
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Well well well dude, looks like you spoke too soon! Because we're about to get a whole new mess shoved into our moon landing ambitions for us to scream about holding us back. Ahh, how the cookie crumbles!
Red Rationalist said:
Well, unless Voz fucks up coalition building and the reform can't get implemented. I still think we have a shot, but it's not dice proof or voz-brained politics proof.
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Do we even want to repeal the subsidies? It will bring up profitability, but it will also through the rural economy into chaos and while it's true The Voz doesn't care about the rurals I don't think ensuring we fulfill the plan is worth causing misery for the farmers and their communities.
 
Repealing ag subsidies completely would also jack up domestic food prices and interfere with our bread dole scheme as it becomes even less profitable to produce grain. Almost every country in the world subsidizes basic foodstuffs because the stability of affordable plentiful food is worth the economic cost.
 
Missed the last vote and update because I was sick, but OOF shame to see those low moon rolls. And that 12 on determining coalition alignments does not bode well at all. We (the readers) are going to have to tread carefully on political decisions because Voz certainly isn't going to.
 
Hello, just finished reading this quest in full seating. It's been a wonderful ride of differing points of view from the ministers at the MNKh. From Sergos obvious panic whenever he had to use his non existence of an education to fix the most backwards nation on Earth, while also being somehow moral(collectivization) while avoiding getting a bullet, Mikoyan dancing through our in hindsight not the greatest decisions while in the middle of the GREAT PURGE and thanking god for the nazis, Malenkov learning take a soft science pill and not stembroing the arts and farmers(then getting the boot due to showing everyone's dirty laundry), and now to The Voz and his perennial lamenting that he is surrounded by idiots.

My question is, did we ever get some sort of epilogue for Ice Cream Man. I know he wasn't the POV character during Malenkovs oopsie, but it would be nice to have some conclusion to the greatest dancer in the Soviet Union.
 
sal_man7 said:
My question is, did we ever get some sort of epilogue for Ice Cream Man. I know he wasn't the POV character during Malenkovs oopsie, but it would be nice to have some conclusion to the greatest dancer in the Soviet Union.
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He got to retire to his fancy dacha with his pension and now has a massive collection of sports cars, from vintage classics to brand new models.
 
sal_man7 said:
How is he expected to look historically, as he really didn't last that long. It would be a shame if he is forgotten to history even though most of the vital things he did were done in secret.
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If Kosygin lasts a long time, he may end up seen as a sort of transitory stage leader, who tries to move past Stalin without ever facing up to anything that happened during Stalin's regime. His role at the ministry will probably be secondary in his story, despite arguably being where he had the largest impact.
 
General_Urist said:
Do we even want to repeal the subsidies? It will bring up profitability, but it will also through the rural economy into chaos and while it's true The Voz doesn't care about the rurals I don't think ensuring we fulfill the plan is worth causing misery for the farmers and their communities.
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I think you are misinformed on what the subsidy reform actually does. It doesn't outright repeal agricultural subsidies, but instead reduces the relevant amount and slashes grain export tariffs. Additionally, it also involves transitional payments to avoid an economic shock. This reads to me like shifting more of the agricultural surplus onto foreign markets, instead of the current system of trying to make up for grain overproduction via economic efficiency. Which is a decent idea in the long term when you are struggling with to much agricultural output.
General_Urist said:
There's a nonzero possibility of us going under next turn from passive demand alone. We need to expand Novokuznetsk asap- something which will use up EVEN MORE Burn Rock than a power plan. We're at -94 already, I do not think our rail network or the supreme soviet will like us if we add 60 more import demand from the steel mill AND power + likely passive. Importation which would include large amounts of shitty German lignite mind you.
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Something related to your point: Kuzbas Deposit Exploitation isn't the only way to counter the coal deficit. I have looked trough the prior update in search of gas related projects, and found something interesting in the LCI sector:
Blackstar said:
[]District Gas Heating(Stage 2 of 3)
(60 Resources per Dice 18/100) (22 CI4 Coal 2 Workforce) (1 Additional Gas Project Required)
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We unlock further gas projects by finishing Stage 3 of the Samara Refinery Complex, where we would use the switch the heating from coal powered to natural gas. Based on the previous project, the next gas heating stage could reduce the heating-related coal demand decently, and allow us to buy time until we need to expand the coal mines yet again. Additionally, if we start producing a surplus of oil and natural gas, we might get the ministry to start constructing oil-powered plants instead of burning coal, which could reduce our infrastructure stress going forward.
 
We have finished the district gas heating already.
We are using gas power plants.
Oil is for export and vehicles
Not official yet but free trade is gonna be unlocked next plan
 
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UrWishy said:
We have finished the district gas heating already.
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We have finished Stage 2, yes. But the Samara Refinery Complex unlocks further gas projects.
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[]Samara Refinery Complex(Stage 3): Mass expansions of the core refinery complex and refinery systems will involve the construction of several important enterprises. Refining techniques have further been developed to yield far more desirable fractions and the broader modernization of the complex will only serve to increase useful yields. Chemical production will also be benefited by the increased production of petrochemical products as they form essential feedstocks. There is currently no shortage, but expansion needs to be considered in the future if current use increases continue. (45 Resources per Dice 101/150) (-17 CI1 Electricity -3 CI1 Workforce) (Supports Stage 3 Pre-Caspian and Volga-Ural 2 Gas Projects When done with both)
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We have finished all district gas, there is some misuderstanding here
The "Gas Projects" are also for the Power Plants
 
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UrWishy said:
We have finished all district gas, there is some misuderstanding here
The "Gas Projects" are also for the Power Plants
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Fair point, I did overlook the completion of Stage 3 district heating. With this being said, additional gas projects, especially for power plants are immensely useful. It is a way to gain power that doesn't directly depend on infrastructure dice, or requires large scale infrastructure expansions after each stage.
 
The good news is with our current electricity surplus, we shouldn't need more direct electrical generation for next turn, maybe even the turn after. That should give us time to build the canals, especially if we focus on doing them, with a die to ASU and Western High Capacity Roads to move those along. I'd like water stabilization as well, but we really need the canals, and I'm not sure how much we'd be able to put into water stabilization, and keep everything else going.

One thing to consider for HI next turn is just how much electricity we have. we've got about 90 at the end of this turn, at the end of next turn we get ~ +100 from Auto Hydro and Auto Power, civilin and military demand will knock ~30 off that, but that still leaves us with 160 electricity to work with. We could theoretically do Novokuznetsk, Tikhvin and finish Severouralsk and still have ~70 electricity, which probably is enough for the other sectors.

I'm not even going to think about rocketry until we see the damage.

For LCI, finishing Core Chemicals, then Textiles and Rubber, and if we are confident in our Non Ferror MMKs grabbing the air conditioning plants. Given how many dice we have in LCI, there is also the possibility of grabbing Chemical Alcohol, as that should give us a little RpT boost, and is a nice trade good besides.

Agri needs help. I can't really think of anything but staying the course from this turn, next turn.

For services, now that we have the goods distribution points, we should look to the transportation enterprises both to limit each enterprise getting their own fleet of vehicles, and to apply the containerization to the roads as well. We also should finish the child care services as a given. of Banks, Lawyers, and Hotels, I'm leaning towards Banks, but there are arguments to be mode for the other two.

This kinda turned into my thoughts on our plan going forward. Anyway, one day we will escape Infra Hell and that day shall be glorious.
 
doruma1920 said:
This kinda turned into my thoughts on our plan going forward. Anyway, one day we will escape Infra Hell and that day shall be glorious.
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fool. you're never done with infra.

more railways, more roads, more channels, more water and electrical grids, more dams, modernization of everything done before, eventually stuff like a electric car recharging grid, fiber optic cables for high speed internet...
 
Red Rationalist said:
Fair point, I did overlook the completion of Stage 3 district heating. With this being said, additional gas projects, especially for power plants are immensely useful. It is a way to gain power that doesn't directly depend on infrastructure dice, or requires large scale infrastructure expansions after each stage.
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"Gas projects" here is how we measure natural gas output of the fields, as opposed to tracking it with an exact number like oil or steel or coal are. So "2 gas projects" there means that the completed refinery/oil field complex produces 2 units of natural gas on our resource spreadsheet, not that it unlocks two new projects we spend dice on. The "gas projects" as a unit of resource are usually consumed by things like power plants/district heating, but district heating has already been converted fully to gas nationwide and the power plants are already ticking along in the background. We'll have the option to adjust how much is getting spent on the CCGT power plants next FYP/at the start of 1965, but the oil fields aren't going to immediately unlock new projects for H2 1964.
 
sal_man7 said:
How is he expected to look historically, as he really didn't last that long. It would be a shame if he is forgotten to history even though most of the vital things he did were done in secret.
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He was head of the MNKh for 15 years and then General Secretary for another 10. Before that he was a core member of the Old Bolsheviks and had been doing revolutionary shit for decades before ever becoming a government bureaucrat. That's a pretty respectable career, especially since he's the face of the post-Stalin thaw and reforms. Mikoyan is definitely going to be in the history books as a major figure in Soviet history, he's practically like the George Washington of the modern USSR. Maybe the Ben Franklin, idk, but point is he's easily Founding Father tier in an American metaphor.
 
Crazycryodude said:
"Gas projects" here is how we measure natural gas output of the fields, as opposed to tracking it with an exact number like oil or steel or coal are. So "2 gas projects" there means that the completed refinery/oil field complex produces 2 units of natural gas on our resource spreadsheet, not that it unlocks two new projects we spend dice on. The "gas projects" as a unit of resource are usually consumed by things like power plants/district heating, but district heating has already been converted fully to gas nationwide and the power plants are already ticking along in the background. We'll have the option to adjust how much is getting spent on the CCGT power plants next FYP/at the start of 1965, but the oil fields aren't going to immediately unlock new projects for H2 1964.
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Sure, though I don't see much of a difference between "getting power output by constructing gas power plants via completing LCI projects in the next plan" and "getting power by constructing gas power plants via more LCI auto-dice". We might have to wait 2 turns instead of one, but that doesn't change anything about it not stressing infrastructure like the coal power plants or the infrastructure dice.
 
by the way, a little update from the Discord: we need roads so much that apparently we're not getting Autorail dice options, because even Voz realizes they're a bad idea.

Yes, guys. we reached the point of "we need roads so badly that Blackstar will ACTIVELY STOP US FROM BUILDING MORE RAILS".

FINALLY.

...I'm sure people will continue being crazy and if all railways disappeared they'll just pivot to all channels, of course.

All because of some obsession with roads being evil
 
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