Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition
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True I'm nowhere near a good representation of the wuest but we haven't exactly invested much in education.
Who would think that trying to plan a nation's economy when there's a new war every other week is complicated.
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Mostly because the dice for education are tied up with also having to build new housing, sewer and water systems to keep up with urban growth.
We're investing a reasonably large amount. We invested a massive amount a couple plans ago in preparation for the current wave that's going through the system, so we don't need a ton more now.
Education is services, the others you mentioned are infra. Mind, both of those sectors are eating our free dice.
CrabMonarchy
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They're talking about The Tattered Eagle, a planquest on SB which got brought up last page, not MNKhquest.
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Ashheap
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This is what I imagine the USSR now:
This ain't the USSR I'm voting for. Sure, many has car, motorbike, better housing, better healthcare, better rail, better household goods, cleaner air and numerous other frivolous material needs but their lives are without a doubt, worse than OTL in that other aspect.
- The economy is booming not necessarily to the people's advantage.
- State enterprise riddles with crooked managers selling off-the-book supplies.
- Private sector is filled with pseudo-capitalists manufacturing consumer goods and sell them at huge markup.
- These 2 hooking up with each other forming multiple 'cartel conglomerates' and creating a new class of ultra rich oligarch.
Ppl are resorted either buying book and other lit from foreign markets or joining book club to trade them with each other 
Won't anyone in SupSov think of the development of class consciousness? So many have not read from the wellspring of our cultured work, so many have not immersed themselves in our common dream for a better world. This is a travesty of the highest order!
There must not exist a comic and sci-fi gap!
Let the ppl have cookbooks and DIY instruction sets!
Quest reader gang rise up and VOTE for MORE BOOKS!
Seize the means of imagination!
Won't anyone in SupSov think of the development of class consciousness? So many have not read from the wellspring of our cultured work, so many have not immersed themselves in our common dream for a better world. This is a travesty of the highest order!
There must not exist a comic and sci-fi gap!
Let the ppl have cookbooks and DIY instruction sets!
Quest reader gang rise up and VOTE for MORE BOOKS!
Seize the means of imagination!
This ain't the USSR I'm voting for. Sure, many has car, motorbike, better housing, better healthcare, better rail, better household goods, cleaner air and numerous other frivolous material needs but their lives are without a doubt, worse than OTL in that other aspect.
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this kinda sounds like USA honestly. for better and worse
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Bet your ass it is!
But our army has no real standard of comparison, after all. I suspect they just grumble about the trouble with the roads on a vague level and by now literally two generations of MNKh personnel have gotten used to sort of vaguely paying attention and half-assing road improvement projects as a result.
Who would ever think that people are not perfect and will screw up no matter what happens.This is what I imagine the USSR now:
- The economy is booming not necessarily to the people's advantage.
- State enterprise riddles with crooked managers selling off-the-book supplies.
- Private sector is filled with pseudo-capitalists manufacturing consumer goods and sell them at huge markup.
- These 2 hooking up with each other forming multiple 'cartel conglomerates' and creating a new class of ultra rich oligarch.
Ppl are resorted either buying book and other lit from foreign markets or joining book club to trade them with each other
Won't anyone in SupSov think of the development of class consciousness? So many have not read from the wellspring of our cultured work, so many have not immersed themselves in our common dream for a better world. This is a travesty of the highest order!
There must not exist a comic and sci-fi gap!
Let the ppl have cookbooks and DIY instruction sets!
Quest reader gang rise up and VOTE for MORE BOOKS!
Seize the means of imagination!
This ain't the USSR I'm voting for. Sure, many has car, motorbike, better housing, better healthcare, better rail, better household goods, cleaner air and numerous other frivolous material needs but their lives are without a doubt, worse than OTL in that other aspect.
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I'm a few pages late but I just wanted to repost this beauty...
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How about our water lines and electrical lines? If were not putting much effort on our roads, where exactly are our utility lines being built?
When we needed him most, papa Stalin vanished......
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You see comrades the taiga forest cannot experience fires when we gradually flood Siberia one dam at a time.I'm a few pages late but I just wanted to repost this beauty...
Alongside our rail lines until you get to urban areas where we have actual road networks.
While I agree in general that having more higher capacity roads between cities, as well as city bypasses are an excellent idea. As well as more rural roads of course. A fair bit of higher quality roads to help places that aren't cities to be well connected would be pretty helpful.
But having said that I'm still dubious about the circular roads around Moscow, when I looked at the map of current day Moscow, at least some of them seemed to be just Urban highways. Which doesn't really seem like a particularly useful or even a good thing to have.
Now that could be different in this plan, but then it's noted that rebuilding large parts of the city for some reason has synergies with it, which doesn't make sense unless it's urban highways.
So overall I still kind of suspect that the several ring roads around Moscow are possibly a net negative to the city, at least if we look at it with modern understanding of road infrastructure in cities.
If they were more bypass rings and rings connecting the outer metropolitan areas it would be a different matter. Maybe even some cutting through the exterior much lower density parts of Moscow could be argued. But I find it hard with current evidence to reach that conclusion on the matter.
While you're probably right that the roads are really hampering the army. It should be noted that armies tend to favor high capacity links like rail provide quite a lot. As armed forces need to move around a lot of equipment and people between locations quickly after all.Bet your ass it is!
But our army has no real standard of comparison, after all. I suspect they just grumble about the trouble with the roads on a vague level and by now literally two generations of MNKh personnel have gotten used to sort of vaguely paying attention and half-assing road improvement projects as a result.
So they are actually probably pretty happy with a fairly high speed and dense rail network letting them get around much of the country quickly. Though they probably would like more local roads to deploy from rail heads to other areas after that.
Ashheap
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WhatI'm a few pages late but I just wanted to repost this beauty...
Also, can you imagine how much freshwater fishing there would be.
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I mapped and posted it on the discord in november of 2021 when the idea was first proposed and the volume of the reservoir was shared. Don't think it was ever posted to the thread so enjoy the mental image of what such a dam could do.
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Its closer to the external rings ending at the various small cities around Moscow, think the modern A108, A107/A113, and the Moscow Automobile Ring as outer rings/the modern Garden and "3rd" ring as inner ones. With linear interlinks into and out of them. Plus a R132, though that's like a quarter ring.
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Yeah.
I'm basically hoping to let that Moscow beltway project die a slow and embarrassing death. Because look at it, it's got twice the Progress cost of the fucking entire Trans-Siberian Highway project (300 vs 150). It's damn near half the Progress cost of building intercity highways all over the western USSR (300 vs 700).
Even if some of that's due to the difficulty of having to build the road through or over existing places that aren't just wilderness, that suggests that the total amount of highway construction being envisioned is absolutely ridiculous compared with the needs of any single city, however large.
I suspect that we're looking at another example of someone quietly inflating the scope of a project because they have a nephew in the asphalt-making enterprises or something, sort of like what happened with the railroads.
Well yeah, that's kind of the point. Railheads are great but they only get you so far and they often put very sharp limits on where your troops can and cannot go. They also make the routes your troops must follow super-predictable, which is bad, and create a situation where even a fairly limited strike can temporarily paralyze all troop movement through an entire region by hitting the wrong railroad junction.
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So it has a fair bit of the look of the real world setup, but perhaps with some differences.
Makes me suspect that the internal rings and their interconnects will be 8 lane urban highways then, just like the real one as well. Zooming in on the inner rings, it's mostly highly built up areas as well.
Well if I understand your explanation correctly, I guess I personally won't be a fan of this particular urban road proposal then. Reason being that while I think the outer rings are fine, they'd probably help move traffic around the area quite well, but the interior two rings as well and those interconnects is just to much of a demerit for the city I think. Specifically it seem like it would be a net negative for Moscow economically, as it will make it run less efficiently with such a low density transport system consuming so much of the most core area of the city. The city core losing density is hard to see as a good thing efficiency wise.
trooperist
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Roads are cool.
CrabMonarchy
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The first sentence of the project description says how many lanes the ring road will have:
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Yeah, but there's SOME reason it's a 300-point project.
I'm pretty sure some aspect of the plan is metaphorically gold-plated unnecessarily.
I'm pretty sure some aspect of the plan is metaphorically gold-plated unnecessarily.
HanEmpire
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It's because it's a big road with lots of on & off ramps that connect to all the small cities around Moscow. That's all necessary, since all those cities do business with Moscow and vice versa.