Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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I don't know if this is sarcasm, but basically I don't want Voz taking lots of detailed control of the university system above and beyond all the influence he already has. And my attempt to read through the Voz-speak leaves me thinking that's what was going on.

Not sarcasm on my part! I'm pretty sure it's just us going and recruiting university grads into the party and into our ministries so that they'll back us politically. Nothing in there about taking control of universities.

If we need canals NAO DAMMIT to transport coal that we in turn need just to keep the lights on, then we should be putting dice on canals, not subway systems in secondary-tertiary cities that OTL literally never got them or didn't get them until after the turn of the millennium.

The canals at least don't require us taking the die off the subway. Though if we want to do canals + leningrad + two or three other projects, then we might need to start looking at jettisoning the metro.
 
Interesting update! Utter shame about our Cosmonaut, but her passing will hopefully not be in vain as we do our best to make sure such a tragedy does not happen again.

Also not as upset about the military buildup as some others, it's been coming for a while and it's good to make sure our equipment is up to date and the best it can be, we are a super power of the world after all, and reading how some of our gear was performing was not very happy. Also should perhaps shore up Kosy's weakness, by showing a strong military?

And as for our options we get the natural must completes, the good ideas and ones to put off for later, and as always a handful of Voz's Specials lol.

Here is to Comrade Kosygin, may he not be couped any time soon and lead the USSR into prosperity! (or something idk comrades lol)
 
Us as we started The Voz' term: Oh boy, with all this gas and hydropower and nuclear coming on line, I bet we can finally get rid of that stinky coal!

Us now: We need to research Project Plowshare to cheaply build the canals we need to relieve our rail network of burden so we can safely expand the coal mines to get enough to build more coal-fired power stations because THE GRID HUNGERS and much of that power gets used by enterprises to smelt the aluminum we need to run our rocket factories because we need to into space before the yankees

We had this available the last turn or two, didn't we? Is it going to disappear on us if we don't take it?
It keeps reappearing, if I understand right our in-character understanding of the state of Soviet politics doesn't automatically update in full anymore and we need to periodically take this action so that Voznesensky knows whats going on and can politic properly. I don't fully understand it myself, but consensus seems to be to take it pretty frequently. Though given our action last turn was the negotiations, one would think The Voz knows how it turned out!

I think starting the canals before the nuclear earthmoving project kind of undermines the point of the nuclear earthmoving project...?
Aside from what others have mentioned, we don't know how long before the Earthmoving project gets certified for general use and we need those coal barges sooner rather than later, so I'm hedging bets and pushing the canal forwards while also starting Augmented Earthmoving.
 
The canals at least don't require us taking the die off the subway. Though if we want to do canals + leningrad + two or three other projects, then we might need to start looking at jettisoning the metro.
It's just that to me, almost everything else on the list, including stuff like airports that we almost certainly won't do this turn, is higher priority right now than those metros.
 
Another amazing, well-thought-out chapter; these always bring a warm fuzzy feeling to my day. Thank you for writing this story!

Second Generation Precision Machinery
Hypersonic Wind Tunnel
If we want to support the military's lust for aircraft and rockets, we can take these.

I think this is more useful than it seems. Building better transit amongst the CMEA will encourage cultural cohesion, which can be a force stronger than the greatest army.
 
The metro's importance has kinda been comically inflated from what I've seen. Urban passenger rails is probably the metric where we are single most ahead of OTL USSR at this point from what I've seen.
 
It's just that to me, almost everything else on the list, including stuff like airports that we almost certainly won't do this turn, is higher priority right now than those metros.

It's more than halfway done though! We can't just leave a project when it's more than halfway done, that's illegal! :o

I don't know if this is sarcasm, but basically I don't want Voz taking lots of detailed control of the university system above and beyond all the influence he already has. And my attempt to read through the Voz-speak leaves me thinking that's what was going on.

Not sarcasm on my part! I'm pretty sure it's just us going and recruiting university grads into the party and into our ministries so that they'll back us politically. Nothing in there about taking control of universities.

More specifically, I read this as us sending dudes in trenchcoats to stand in front of university buildings and go 'Psst, hey kid, congratulations on graduating! Can I interest you in a political career in siberia? Now I know what you're thinking, but hear me out, it's better than it sounds..."
 
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[] Plan Preparing for Power
-[]1870/1870 Resources (0 Reserve), 34 Dice Rolled
Infrastructure (6/5 Dice, 355 R)
-[]Leningrad Renovation, 3 Dice (150 R)
-[]Passenger Rail Network(Western SU), 1 Dice (75 R)
-[]Unified Canal System(Step 1 of 3), 1 Dice (50 R)
-[]Augmented Earthmoving, 1 Dice (80 R)
Heavy Industry (8/8 Dice, 595 R)
-[]Novocherkassk Locomotive Plant, 1 Dice (80 R)
-[]Novokuznetsk Steel Mill Expansion, 1 Dice (100 R)
-[]Tikhvin MMK(Stage 1), 1 Dice (75 R)
-[]Kuzbas Deposit Exploitation(Stage 1), 3 Dice (180 R)
-[]Expansion of the Automotive Plants(GAZ), 2 Dice (160 R)
Rocketry (3/2 Dice, 0 R)
-[]Expand RLA Program, 1 Dice
-[]Abort Program Enhancement, 1 Dice
-[]Dual-Crew Capsule Testing, 1 Dice
Light and Chemical Industry (7/8 Dice, 490 R)
-[]Petrochemical Pipelines(Stage 4), 1 Dice (50 R)
-[]District Gas Heating(Stage 2 of 3), 2 Dice (120 R)
-[]Fertilizer Plants(Stage 4/5), 1 Dice (60 R)
-[]Television Production Plants(Stage 3), 1 Dice (60 R)
-[]Hybrid Packaging Developments, 2 Dice (200 R)
Agriculture (4/5 Dice, 220 R)
-[]Peoples Dietary Initiatives, 1 Dice (40 R)
-[]Secondary Agricultural Production, 3 Dice (180 R)
Services (3/0 Dice, 210 R)
-[]Waste Disposal Improvement, 2 Dice (150 R)
-[]Television Station Development(Stage 3), 1 Dice (60 R)
Bureaucracy (5/5 Dice, 0 R)
-[]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Hybrid Packaging Developments), 1 Dice
-[]Open Containerization Programs, 1 Dice
-[]Expand Rural Housing Programs, 1 Dice
-[]Direct the University Program, 1 Dice
-[]Fire Incompetents, 1 Dice

This plan is my first attempt at a 1-dice fertilizer option, which guarantees that it doesn't finish. Drains 71 electricity at 10% min. Technically can hit 109, but only if we omake finish Tikhvin.
I am planning on rushing for a power plant next turn which should let us finish Tikhvin and Fertilizer at the same time.
 
It's more than halfway done though! We can't just leave a project when it's more than halfway done, that's illegal! :o
Eh. My gut feeling is that "more than halfway done" probably means "enough money in the project budget to keep digging subway tunnel for years before the budget runs out." Building a subway is not a quick project.
 
Especially since (I believe I remember) projects can degrade if we stop them half-way through. Which hopefully wont be the case here since as simon says it takes a while for them to dig the required stuff out.
I mean, they can, but this isn't the kind of project that realistically should degrade fast.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm seriously tempted to just approval vote any plans that don't lean even further into the "more metros all the time" stuff, because I think it's past the point where it's responsive to our society's actual needs.
 
Eh. My gut feeling is that "more than halfway done" probably means "enough money in the project budget to keep digging subway tunnel for years before the budget runs out." Building a subway is not a quick project.

Hmmm. Well, I'm willing to leave it for another turn, maybe two, but I'd really like to finish the current stage of metros at some point.

In the immediate term though, I'd also really like two dice on the canals. See if we can get that finished this turn.
 
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Fuck military stealing our money for bullshit
I am actually pretty pleased, we are seeing intelligent expansion and introduction of new technology at regular intervals instead of planning to churn out massive volumes of "eh good enough" that will rot in depots. Remember the Soviet government is made up of seriously paranoid old men that are very much not convinced that Uncle Sam is unwilling to see mushroom clouds arcoss Europe if that means the destruction of communism. By keeping our forces competitive and preserving second strike capability they will feel more secure and thus much less likely to escalate things or get belligerent. Ideally this will prevent our bosses from seriously investing in proxy wars as anything other than weapons testing/posturing and any plans in say Cuba.
 
I think starting the canals before the nuclear earthmoving project kind of undermines the point of the nuclear earthmoving project...?
I wouldn't count on such an experimental tech being useful for a project you need in the short term. Especially as it could easily give you a setback instead if it pollutes the water table instead and you now need to make a new canal section around the old canal section. Nuclear earthmoving is a nice theoretical idea, but perfecting it will probably be challenging.

I mean, they can, but this isn't the kind of project that realistically should degrade fast.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm seriously tempted to just approval vote any plans that don't lean even further into the "more metros all the time" stuff, because I think it's past the point where it's responsive to our society's actual needs.
There is that, though it's worth noting these cities are bigger then OTL, especially Odessa which would be pretty sizeable in this timeline. I think my best estimate for it was that it might even be at 1.5 to 2 mil, in which case a metro would actually be a sensible use of resources. So you probably don't want to let the project languish all that long either, especially as it will only be growing further yet.
 
I'm not saying the projects are a waste of resources, just that it's an area where we're already doing so well compared to OTL that it just isn't anywhere near the top of my to-do list.
 
Is using nukes for earthmoving really a good idea? As far as I understand, its the now radioactive dirt thrown up that makes ground-burst nukes cause more fallout than air-burst nukes.
 
Is using nukes for earthmoving really a good idea? As far as I understand, its the now radioactive dirt thrown up that makes ground-burst nukes cause more fallout than air-burst nukes.
As I understand it, nuclear earthmoving usually involves detonating the devices far underground and creating a fully underground crater, which in turn subsides and causes surface material to collapse downward in a massive cave-in. In principle, this doesn't involve irradiated debris reaching the surface in the short term, though it leaves pockets of very radioactive material deep underground which causes its own problems.
 
As I understand it, nuclear earthmoving usually involves detonating the devices far underground and creating a fully underground crater, which in turn subsides and causes surface material to collapse downward in a massive cave-in. In principle, this doesn't involve irradiated debris reaching the surface in the short term, though it leaves pockets of very radioactive material deep underground which causes its own problems.
It can be done in both ways.

Cratering has it's own advantages, after all(mostly making a smaller, deeper pit).

The radiation problem meanwhile is not all that severe.

To quote the result of the Sedan cratering test.

The radiation level on the crater lip at 1 hour after burst was 500 R per hour (130 mC/(kg·h)),[7] but it dropped to 500 mR per hour after 27 days.[7]

Within 7 months (~210 days) of the excavation, the bottom of the crater could be safely walked upon with no protective clothing,[8] with radiation levels at 35 mR per hour after 167 days.[7]

That's not great, but it's manageable.
 
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