HanEmpire
Delicious
That just means they'll have the occasional harvest in between years of frozen crops and mud-lakes. It's a waste of human potential and Infra-dice.
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition
- Thread starter Blackstar
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- Alt. History Users' Choice!
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- Location
- The great frozen north
One wonders what our Minister of Agriculture is for if it won't stop The Voz from doing this.
Also I just realized that Precision Machinery, Hybrid Packaging, and Fertilizers all put together use up 72 of our 73 electricity available this turn. Well funk. I'm unwilling to delay the machinery or packaging, so I guess I have to delay the fertilizers >_<
- Location
- Italy
We've been saying this since forever
We NEVER have enough electricity. it's the one thing we're always in danger of going negative.
hydro is already in full force, power plants are in full force, nuclear is not ready yet (but it won't be too long since we can begin with it), geothermal/wind/solar are not ready yet, we still have plenty of coal (though it's probably not THAT bad, and air quality can likely be improved more easily and at lower cost by removing coal heating than by removing coal electricity, at least for now)
no Second Generation Precision Machinery ? that's one of the "improve computers/make them more common" options, isn't it? Or are we waiting to do the hybrid packaging first?
any possible problem from ignoring waste management for so long? how is it holding up thus far? That might actually be more urgent than televisions.
- Pronouns
- Viewer
the precision machinery is about more precise industrial equipment that the military want mainly for their airplanes, it doesn't affect computers from my understanding. The improve computers is hybrid packaging thats about standarizing their components and to ensure we can uprade them as the field advances.
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- UTC+0
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They
Not really, its just CNC stuff among other things, nice but not super urgent like computers
- Location
- The great frozen north
Ugh you made me smile there. But yeah, the power crunch is there. I drafted this plan and was waiting to not need to double post, and I wanted to wait for results from Augmented Earthmoving before starting canal digs, but I'm now rather inclined to move dice from the trans-siberian road to start the canal system so that we have enough transport capacity to build more coal plants.We've been saying this since forever
We NEVER have enough electricity. it's the one thing we're always in danger of going negative.
hydro is already in full force, power plants are in full force, nuclear is not ready yet (but it won't be too long since we can begin with it), geothermal/wind/solar are not ready yet, we still have plenty of coal (though it's probably not THAT bad, and air quality can likely be improved more easily and at lower cost by removing coal heating than by removing coal electricity, at least for now)
God. Those things stink literally and figuratively, they directly eat resources, but we might still need them. The power grid hungers.
[] Plan Machinery, Microchips, and GAS GAS GAS IM GONNA STEP ON THE GAS
-[]1865/1870 Resources (5 Reserve), 33 Dice Rolled
Infrastructure (5/5 Dice, 315 R)
-[]Leningrad Renovation, 2 Dice (100 R)
-[]Passenger Rail Network(Western SU), 1 Dice (75 R)
-[]Trans-Siberian Road, 1 Dice (60 R)
-[]Augmented Earthmoving, 1 Dice (80 R)
Heavy Industry (7/8 Dice, 680 R)
-[]Novocherkassk Locomotive Plant, 1 Dice (80 R)
-[]Kuzbas Deposit Exploitation(Stage 1), 1 Dice (60 R)
-[]Expansion of the Automotive Plants(GAZ), 3 Dice (240 R)
-[]Second Generation Precision Machinery, 2 Dice (300 R)
Rocketry (2/4 Dice, 0 R)
-[]Expand RLA Program, 1 Dice
-[]Abort Program Enhancement, 1 Dice
Light and Chemical Industry (11/8 Dice, 560 R)
-[]Petrochemical Pipelines(Stage 4), 1 Dice (50 R)
-[]Volga-Ural Petroleum Basin Exploitation(Stage 3), 2 Dice (60 R)
-[]Pre-Caspian Petroleum Basin Exploitation(Stage 3), 3 Dice (90 R)
-[]Samara Refinery Complex(Stage 3), 1 Dice (40 R)
-[]District Gas Heating(Stage 2 of 3), 1 Dice (60 R)
-[]Television Production Plants(Stage 3), 1 Dice (60 R)
-[]Hybrid Packaging Developments, 2 Dice (200 R)
Agriculture (5/5 Dice, 250 R)
-[]Peoples Dietary Initiatives, 1 Dice (40 R)
-[]Expanding Rural Production, 3 Dice (150 R)
-[]Secondary Agricultural Production, 1 Dice (60 R)
Services (1/0 Dice, 60 R)
-[]Television Station Development(Stage 3), 1 Dice (60 R)
Bureaucracy (5/5 Dice, 0 R) This is very provisional and subject to change
-[]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(2nd Generation Precision Machinery)
-[]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Hybrid Packaging)
-[]Open Containerization Programs, 1 Dice
-[]Fire Incompetents, 1 Dice
-[]Determine Coalitional Alignments, 1 Dice
Theoretical maximum power usage is 71. Probably won't use it all due to not all the projects completing. The gas projects are a good place to put dice when resources are limited!
Augmented earthmoving and keeping the transport links going in Infra, + 2 dice on leningrad because people the locals might be happier if we complete the rebuilding quick. HI finishes the locomotives, prints a car factor, and start slow-rolling coal. LCI sadly skips the power-hungry fertilizer in favor of TVs and petrorubles, Agri mostly keeps old stuff going and services finishes TV stations.
In rocketry I kept up RLA work and took the the program abortion for political reasons, for which I also did not take dual crews. Looks weird to call a halt to expansions while at the same time starting another program for dual-crew capabilities.
Bureaucracy, aside from focusing the two big things, I did containerization since that sounds like something we want to do. But I am BY FAR the least certain about this section, feel free to suggest changes!
EDIT wait shit Notgreat's spreadsheet lists a maximum of 1870 resources, but from the post it seems we only have 1850 + 5 = 1855? So I'm slightly over budget. Bleh, too tired now will rejiggify things tomorrow.
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Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
We may want to consider not just focusing on gas heating to completion (we have word of GM that we have enough gas for both remaining stages), but also on Kuzbas for the sake of getting into a coal surplus, which might let us make another round of coal power plants.
- Location
- Northish
Probably keeping things running in our existing infrastructure and trying their best to work around Voz. The downside of having so much power over the nation's development concentrated into one position is that they can do stupid things on occasion.
- Location
- Italy
We need to burn coal to power a future where we don't burn coal
...which is actually true.
Hydro is still going up, and will ear a decent amount of our growing needs. same for Gas. Once nuclear is ready, we can start mass-producing those power plants too, even if they're likely to start as very expensive that's somewhat compensated by requiring very little fuel.
geothermal is likely to never become that relevant and always staying niche. Solar and wind... maybe the 90s if we accelerate it? Urss is quite the varied place, there are certainly areas where it would be suitable, assuming decent costs. And if it's only a low % of our electricity then there's not much to worry about in terms of storage, that's more for when it becomes a larger part of it. In the beginning it would mostly be a way to reduce costs in some areas and maybe an export product.
in any case, while coal certainly stinks, there's other things we can do to counter their pollution. Removing coal heating is a big one I imagine, and going from diesel locomotive to electric locomotives is also a good step in the right direction.
[] Plan Electric Crisis (With Fertilizers)
-[]1855/1870 Resources (15 Reserve), 33 Dice Rolled
Infrastructure (6/5 Dice, 355 R)
-[]Leningrad Renovation, 3 Dice (150 R)
-[]Passenger Rail Network(Western SU), 1 Dice (75 R)
-[]Unified Canal System(Step 1 of 3), 1 Dice (50 R)
-[]Augmented Earthmoving, 1 Dice (80 R)
Heavy Industry (8/8 Dice, 620 R)
-[]Novocherkassk Locomotive Plant, 1 Dice (80 R)
-[]Novokuznetsk Steel Mill Expansion, 2 Dice (200 R)
-[]Kuzbas Deposit Exploitation(Stage 1), 3 Dice (180 R)
-[]Expansion of the Automotive Plants(GAZ), 2 Dice (160 R)
Rocketry (2/2 Dice, 0 R)
-[]Expand RLA Program, 1 Dice
-[]Abort Program Enhancement, 1 Dice
Light and Chemical Industry (7/8 Dice, 490 R)
-[]Petrochemical Pipelines(Stage 4), 1 Dice (50 R)
-[]District Gas Heating(Stage 2 of 3), 2 Dice (120 R)
-[]Fertilizer Plants(Stage 4/5), 2 Dice (120 R)
-[]Hybrid Packaging Developments, 2 Dice (200 R)
Agriculture (3/5 Dice, 160 R)
-[]Peoples Dietary Initiatives, 1 Dice (40 R)
-[]Secondary Agricultural Production, 2 Dice (120 R)
Services (4/0 Dice, 230 R)
-[]Waste Disposal Improvement, 2 Dice (150 R)
-[]State Retail Renovation, 2 Dice (80 R)
Bureaucracy (5/5 Dice, 0 R)
-[]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Hybrid Packaging), 1 Dice
-[]Open Containerization Programs, 1 Dice
-[]Expand Rural Housing Programs, 1 Dice
-[]Direct the University Program, 1 Dice
-[]Fire Incompetents, 1 Dice
Assuming we want the Fertilizer Plant done, we're critically low on electricity. We have 22 in the bank, +56 gas power, +30 hydro power, -28 Civilian, -7 Military = 73 Electricity. Doesn't seem that bad until you realize that Fertilizers eats 46 of that.
At a 10%/1% mark of completion chance to count the resource, Chimeraguard's plan uses 115/149 Electricity. This plan is still barely scraping by at 73/102. I'm putting 3 dice on Kuzbas because we absolutely need to get enough coal to open up the coal power plants again. Plan spreadsheet here.
Alternatively, we may seriously need to consider delaying fertilizers. That opens our options up massively.
-[]1855/1870 Resources (15 Reserve), 33 Dice Rolled
Infrastructure (6/5 Dice, 355 R)
-[]Leningrad Renovation, 3 Dice (150 R)
-[]Passenger Rail Network(Western SU), 1 Dice (75 R)
-[]Unified Canal System(Step 1 of 3), 1 Dice (50 R)
-[]Augmented Earthmoving, 1 Dice (80 R)
Heavy Industry (8/8 Dice, 620 R)
-[]Novocherkassk Locomotive Plant, 1 Dice (80 R)
-[]Novokuznetsk Steel Mill Expansion, 2 Dice (200 R)
-[]Kuzbas Deposit Exploitation(Stage 1), 3 Dice (180 R)
-[]Expansion of the Automotive Plants(GAZ), 2 Dice (160 R)
Rocketry (2/2 Dice, 0 R)
-[]Expand RLA Program, 1 Dice
-[]Abort Program Enhancement, 1 Dice
Light and Chemical Industry (7/8 Dice, 490 R)
-[]Petrochemical Pipelines(Stage 4), 1 Dice (50 R)
-[]District Gas Heating(Stage 2 of 3), 2 Dice (120 R)
-[]Fertilizer Plants(Stage 4/5), 2 Dice (120 R)
-[]Hybrid Packaging Developments, 2 Dice (200 R)
Agriculture (3/5 Dice, 160 R)
-[]Peoples Dietary Initiatives, 1 Dice (40 R)
-[]Secondary Agricultural Production, 2 Dice (120 R)
Services (4/0 Dice, 230 R)
-[]Waste Disposal Improvement, 2 Dice (150 R)
-[]State Retail Renovation, 2 Dice (80 R)
Bureaucracy (5/5 Dice, 0 R)
-[]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Hybrid Packaging), 1 Dice
-[]Open Containerization Programs, 1 Dice
-[]Expand Rural Housing Programs, 1 Dice
-[]Direct the University Program, 1 Dice
-[]Fire Incompetents, 1 Dice
Assuming we want the Fertilizer Plant done, we're critically low on electricity. We have 22 in the bank, +56 gas power, +30 hydro power, -28 Civilian, -7 Military = 73 Electricity. Doesn't seem that bad until you realize that Fertilizers eats 46 of that.
At a 10%/1% mark of completion chance to count the resource, Chimeraguard's plan uses 115/149 Electricity. This plan is still barely scraping by at 73/102. I'm putting 3 dice on Kuzbas because we absolutely need to get enough coal to open up the coal power plants again. Plan spreadsheet here.
Alternatively, we may seriously need to consider delaying fertilizers. That opens our options up massively.
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- Colorado, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them/Comrade
...Do we really need more steel? I would think we could go without for a turn? :/
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
I assume you want this to be on Hybrid Packaging?
Hmm, not particularly happy about not going for a 1 turn completion of a Car Plant Expansion when we have such a massive steel surplus, but I suppose needs must if our electricity bill isn't affordable otherwise.
Though is there a way to save up enough resources to put a 3rd die on Gas Heating, to try and complete the 3rd stage as well? Since we do have enough gas for that, and it should save even more coal.
Well, if we want to get both Car Plant Expansions done (and we do because those are big money printers and highly demanded ConGoods), then we will need another Steel Plant eventually.
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Yeah, thanks. Spreadsheet doesn't handle that automatically and forgot to update it.
Post has been updated/fixed, 1870 is correct.
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We don't need it done this turn or maybe even next turn, but we'll definitely need something the turn after. Starting a big one now works for that.
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- Location
- The great frozen north
...yesh, I'll definitely be editing my plan tomorrow to put more focus on coal. Fuck we're in another "short on everything" phase. Delaying LCI projects because we don't have enough power, need more coal so we can build more coal plants, even that is going to be throttled until we build our canal system, which adds additional pressure to the eternal Infra Hell, all while facing a resource crunch aggrevated by the need to get precision machinery sooner rather than later...
Btw @notgreat Are you sure the spreadsheet is right about our total resources? According to the update post we have "1850 with 5 in storage", or 1855 I think. EDIT: Ninja'd, sorry!
Btw @notgreat Are you sure the spreadsheet is right about our total resources? According to the update post we have "1850 with 5 in storage", or 1855 I think. EDIT: Ninja'd, sorry!
Especially if we don't 3-dice a car plant, we can go without steel a turn after that nat 100.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Every time we hope to step away from "Burn Rock", it drags us right back.
- Location
- The great frozen north
Couldn't help myself, threw up a quick plan, slightly modified. Only 1 dice on a car plant, but finishes the coal mine and good start on the canal.
[] Plan Extreme Thirst For Hydrocarbons
-[]1865/1870 Resources (5 Reserve), 34 Dice Rolled
Infrastructure (6/5 Dice, 355 R)
-[]Leningrad Renovation, 2 Dice (100 R)
-[]Passenger Rail Network(Western SU), 1 Dice (75 R)
-[]Unified Canal System(Step 1 of 3), 2 Dice (100 R)
-[]Augmented Earthmoving, 1 Dice (80 R)
Heavy Industry (7/8 Dice, 640 R)
-[]Novocherkassk Locomotive Plant, 1 Dice (80 R)
-[]Kuzbas Deposit Exploitation(Stage 1), 3 Dice (180 R)
-[]Expansion of the Automotive Plants(GAZ), 1 Dice (80 R)
-[]Second Generation Precision Machinery, 2 Dice (300 R)
Rocketry (2/4 Dice, 0 R)
-[]Expand RLA Program, 1 Dice
-[]Abort Program Enhancement, 1 Dice
Light and Chemical Industry (11/8 Dice, 560 R)
-[]Petrochemical Pipelines(Stage 4), 1 Dice (50 R)
-[]Volga-Ural Petroleum Basin Exploitation(Stage 3), 2 Dice (60 R)
-[]Pre-Caspian Petroleum Basin Exploitation(Stage 3), 3 Dice (90 R)
-[]Samara Refinery Complex(Stage 3), 1 Dice (40 R)
-[]District Gas Heating(Stage 2 of 3), 1 Dice (60 R)
-[]Television Production Plants(Stage 3), 1 Dice (60 R)
-[]Hybrid Packaging Developments, 2 Dice (200 R)
Agriculture (5/5 Dice, 250 R)
-[]Peoples Dietary Initiatives, 1 Dice (40 R)
-[]Expanding Rural Production, 3 Dice (150 R)
-[]Secondary Agricultural Production, 1 Dice (60 R)
Services (1/0 Dice, 60 R)
-[]Television Station Development(Stage 3), 1 Dice (60 R)
Bureaucracy (5/5 Dice, 0 R) still very uncertain about these
-[]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(2nd Generation Precision Machinery)
-[]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Hybrid packaging)
-[]Open Containerization Programs, 1 Dice
-[]Fire Incompetents, 1 Dice
-[]Determine Coalitional Alignments, 1 Dice
[] Plan Extreme Thirst For Hydrocarbons
-[]1865/1870 Resources (5 Reserve), 34 Dice Rolled
Infrastructure (6/5 Dice, 355 R)
-[]Leningrad Renovation, 2 Dice (100 R)
-[]Passenger Rail Network(Western SU), 1 Dice (75 R)
-[]Unified Canal System(Step 1 of 3), 2 Dice (100 R)
-[]Augmented Earthmoving, 1 Dice (80 R)
Heavy Industry (7/8 Dice, 640 R)
-[]Novocherkassk Locomotive Plant, 1 Dice (80 R)
-[]Kuzbas Deposit Exploitation(Stage 1), 3 Dice (180 R)
-[]Expansion of the Automotive Plants(GAZ), 1 Dice (80 R)
-[]Second Generation Precision Machinery, 2 Dice (300 R)
Rocketry (2/4 Dice, 0 R)
-[]Expand RLA Program, 1 Dice
-[]Abort Program Enhancement, 1 Dice
Light and Chemical Industry (11/8 Dice, 560 R)
-[]Petrochemical Pipelines(Stage 4), 1 Dice (50 R)
-[]Volga-Ural Petroleum Basin Exploitation(Stage 3), 2 Dice (60 R)
-[]Pre-Caspian Petroleum Basin Exploitation(Stage 3), 3 Dice (90 R)
-[]Samara Refinery Complex(Stage 3), 1 Dice (40 R)
-[]District Gas Heating(Stage 2 of 3), 1 Dice (60 R)
-[]Television Production Plants(Stage 3), 1 Dice (60 R)
-[]Hybrid Packaging Developments, 2 Dice (200 R)
Agriculture (5/5 Dice, 250 R)
-[]Peoples Dietary Initiatives, 1 Dice (40 R)
-[]Expanding Rural Production, 3 Dice (150 R)
-[]Secondary Agricultural Production, 1 Dice (60 R)
Services (1/0 Dice, 60 R)
-[]Television Station Development(Stage 3), 1 Dice (60 R)
Bureaucracy (5/5 Dice, 0 R) still very uncertain about these
-[]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(2nd Generation Precision Machinery)
-[]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Hybrid packaging)
-[]Open Containerization Programs, 1 Dice
-[]Fire Incompetents, 1 Dice
-[]Determine Coalitional Alignments, 1 Dice
I'm a little worried myself. But it feels so nice to finish an incomplete project instead of letting it languish.... I'm definitely pushing for waste once the TV station is done though.
If we don't develop goodies for the military, the Supreme Soviet will just end up ransacking the budget to buy a million tanks or something. Better airplanes cut down on how much aluminum they'll need which is good because there's a big aluminum shortage that the only other way out of is electricity, of which there's also a shortage.
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- Viewer
Thats true, I am in favor of doing both but from my understanding they are both so expensive that they are not enough resources to do both at the same time without cutting other projects. So from what I understand we should do one of them at a time.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Jesus.
Well, that's one that the OTL Soviets never really had, as I recall. Booster failure killing the cosmonaut. And it being Tereshkova, too. That's harsh.
We definitely need to stop and integrate safety features here.
Again, there is really no urgency on this. Subway programs getting less-than-full funding for a turn or two is not much of a problem, and these are cities that historically the USSR never established metro systems for. This isn't a worthless or pointless project, but it's not something we should consider urgent.
This, by contrast, is quasi-mandatory. Having started, we need to keep it moving and at a reasonable pace.
"A number of rings..." DIdn't we have issues with this project being inflated in scale and scope? The part where the project is double the Progress cost of building a whole highway all the way to the Pacific and nearly half the Progress cost of the entire Western USSR system combined... Yeah, that makes me very suspicious.
We really do need this...
THIS.
As discussed, we definitely want to go ahead with this.
Ugh, yeah. I think pushing this past the point the market already encourages it anyway is a bad idea. We don't need more labor that badly.
This sounds like a recipe for some of the same problems that historically resulted from Soviet agriculture going full bore on the Virgin Lands project, such as the Aral Sea drying up.
Oh hey, that's pretty cool.
I still say we need to tackle this.
You know, this is interesting and not a bad thing if we've got something we want to push hard.
Woo woo!
This... sounds like a good idea?
Hm. Might not be a bad thing.
...This is almost certainly a bad thing.
Probably important, Voz being Voz.
Conclusions:
1) Importing coal is inconvenient but not a huge problem.
2) Importing nonferrous metals is a big deal and we should probably be expanding production, especially since delay on second-generation tooling is... not good. That kind of thing has knock-on effects.
3) We have a lot of steel, but we need that steel surplus to save us 50+ RpT on Infrastructure spending, so we can't dip into it too far.
4) Electrical power remains scarce.
- Location
- UTC+0
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They
From a financial and economic perspective yes, but its a big political issue. As we can see from the blurb for Kuzbas:
"Due to a number of political demands on the critical nature of domestic coal production and a number of speeches designating it a core element of national security, expansions need to be undertaken"
- Location
- Colorado, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them/Comrade
Urgency, maybe not, but it still gets us extra transportation in those cities and it'll be nice to have.
Yeah I'd like to stuff that one into a plan, hopefully.
Huh, how so? It looks like a natural expansion and follow up of the political deal we just made. :/
We had this available the last turn or two, didn't we? Is it going to disappear on us if we don't take it?
It also stops us from making more coal fired power plants.
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I think starting the canals before the nuclear earthmoving project kind of undermines the point of the nuclear earthmoving project...?
I suspect coal is less of a problem than non-ferrous metals (not just aluminum, but stuff like copper and rare-metal alloys like chromium, vanadium, and so on). Because we can import coal from lots of places, including ones pretty well under the USSR's thumb, but something like tungsten or whatever tends to come from a shorter list of sources. Thus, importing it leaves us more vulnerable to either localized supply disruptions (labor unrest in Country X) or a deliberate boycott by the capitalist bloc.
It's also fricking expensive to import in a way that coal just isn't.
Yeah.We've been saying this since forever
We NEVER have enough electricity. it's the one thing we're always in danger of going negative.
hydro is already in full force, power plants are in full force, nuclear is not ready yet (but it won't be too long since we can begin with it), geothermal/wind/solar are not ready yet, we still have plenty of coal
Like, I know we hate the idea because we're millennial-Gen-Z babies who think in terms of global warming. But in quest it's 1960-ish and people were still building coal-fired power plants in those days for a reason. Because you just... need the electricity to finish industrializing properly. The alternatives are vaporware at this point. We need to keep pushing that line; it didn't become entirely or even really obsolete.
Oh, absolutely. With giant coal-fired power plants you can centralize, you can scrub the stacks for particulates and some of the chemical crap maybe, and importantly, you can locate the power plant fifty miles downwind of the nearest major city rather than having the coal being burned inside the urban area where everyone lives.
Honestly, quality machining probably does make a major difference in our ability to do component reliability, which is critical to computer production and one of the big things that seems to have killed Soviet computing in real life.
Because for a computer to run you need a very large number of fiddly components to be right, components whose performance cannot be evaluated at a glance, and you need them to keep working for a long time.
This is problematic if your industrial base is configured around "but did you make quota tho" being the only metric that matters, regardless of whether 5-10% of the stuff coming off the assembly line is broken right out of the box.
Sigh. Yeah. Fuck.
Okay, but we're in constant nonstop infra hell and we've got other projects stacking up waiting for us to accomplish anything.
If we need canals NAO DAMMIT to transport coal that we in turn need just to keep the lights on, then we should be putting dice on canals, not subway systems in secondary-tertiary cities that OTL literally never got them or didn't get them until after the turn of the millennium.
I don't know if this is sarcasm, but basically I don't want Voz taking lots of detailed control of the university system above and beyond all the influence he already has. And my attempt to read through the Voz-speak leaves me thinking that's what was going on.
I don't know when we have or haven't done it. Can't remember. The big point is that Soviet politics is undergoing some flux and likely to undergo more, and we risk having our position chopped out from under us (and, say, being screwed over by massive mandates from a new ruling coalition that doesn't respect or trust us) if we don't keep an eye on things.
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HanEmpire
Delicious
The first stage deepens Tsarist canals we already have, so it doesn't take nukes.
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- Viewer
From what was mentioned in the discord, the first stage doesn't benefit from the earthmoving project or at least barely affects it since its only about restoring and deepening an existing canal from the times of the tzars. Its stage 2 and 3 where the earthmoving project is most effective since that is where we need it to make new canals to connect the far east.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Oh! Well, that's cool then!