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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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Rockeye said:
I sort of doubt this. We have some nice officer corps, but they lack experience and doctrine built up from first world countries with long military traditions.
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Really? I thought the Soviets had one of the best prepurge, seeing as how they fought a massive civil war against the Whites. That and in this tl, we built the proper infrastructure to pass on that experience. Plus the focus on communication and a elite smaller army...
 
[X] Plan Screw Franco
I think the only real piece of equipment we have worth stealing are our semi-automatic rifles, and that assumes we'll even trial those in sufficient numbers for probability of reverse engineering and assumes anyone will even bother reverse engineering them. Germans did for second round of semi-auto rifles, but it was still unreliable and difficult to maintain like first. And they only made a few of both. Everything else is par for the course.
 
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[X] Plan Screw Franco but don't screw the Anarchists

It's the thought that counts as Anarchism doesn't get strangled even if that's the probable end result.
 
If we don't send in the spooks now we're just going to have to send them in later, and twice as hard, when Stalin's paranoia level shoots through the roof and the anarchists continue to be anarchists. If we get the coalition stabilized and mostly locked down now a lot of people will probably find themselves sidelined but it's better than finding themselves assassinated or having that "friendly" volunteer formation sicced on them down the line.
 
[X] Plan Screw Franco

For an anarchist revolution to succeed, it would have to first conquer the United States. It starting anywhere else means it will be crushed by the capitalists, whether immediately or when it starts winning. We can't save them even if the Stalinist USSR wanted to, and they emphatically wouldn't.
 
There's no way Stalinist Communists and Anarcho-Syndicalists can co-exist. The Anarchists are not going to survive the French Intervention anyway, so just get rid of them now and ensure they don't get in our way.
 
The problem is that if we start a mini civil war inside a civil war, that might give the Fascists an pretty good chance to seriously damage the overall Republican forces.

I think trying to maintain a united communist front at least in the beginning might be a good idea.
 
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DkArthas said:
The problem is that if we start a mini civil war inside a civil war, that might give the Fascists an pretty good chance to seriously damage the overall Republican forces.

I think trying to maintain a united communist front at least in the beginning might be a good idea.
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That means we'll have to convince Stalin to play nice with the revisionists. That's a suicidal proposition right now, on the eve of the Great Purge.

Going after the Anarcho-Syndicalists isn't ideal, but it's the best option we've got. Stalin will go after the revisionists one way or another so we ought to hit hard and fast and get it over with.
 
HanEmpire said:
That means we'll have to convince Stalin to play nice with the revisionists. That's a suicidal proposition right now, on the eve of the Great Purge.

Going after the Anarcho-Syndicalists isn't ideal, but it's the best option we've got. Stalin will go after the revisionists one way or another so we ought to hit hard and fast and get it over with.
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The problem is we are not only going after Anarchists but also liberals and other leftists who don't agree with Stalinist orthodoxy, there is real potential for a serious collapse of the Popular front. That might seriously doom the efforts against the Fascists especially since the volunteer option explictly calls for an early offensive.
 
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DkArthas said:
The problem is we are not only going after Anarchists but also liberals and other leftists who don't agree with Stalinist orthodoxy, there is real potential for a serious collapse of the Popular front. That might seriously doom the efforts against the Fascists especially since the volunteer option explictly calls for an early offensive.
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That's a good point, but I honestly see no way around it. The NKVD will enter Spain with orders to replace the non-Stalinist leaders of the Popular Front with people who are sympathetic to Stalinism. They killed the founder of the Communist Party of Spain because they thought he was a secret Trotskyite ffs. We can only hope that Nationalist disorganization at the start of the war will last long enough for the Republicans to clean house.
 
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Can I put forth an argument for foreign presses?
I do think that we can and possibly should go for them. Assuming we go for 12 dice dump on bitumen roads, 2 dice on finishing Gorky, 4 dice on Norilsk and remaining two on Zlatoust, that would eat 360 resources out of 575 available (Taking budget of 650 as of last turn results, adding likely 25 from ULAG), we would have at least 215 resources for remaining categories. Of these, assuming 6 dice dump into stage 5 towns, trials for aviation weaponry and dumping of remaining military dice into academies, we would have at least 65 resources remaining, of which 40 probably would go into Baku extraction and 10 more into finishing stage 3 hospitals, leaving us with at least 15 resources (possibly more, depending on how many went to jail this winter) and only service dice mostly unspent.

A good enough result, I think - while we would be a bit constrained regarding expensive options in military or services sectors, we would make better progress on heavy industry while still paving all the roads.
And while 35 PI (assuming both foreign presses, equipment and volunteers on this vote) wouldn't be an ideal number to start turn with, it's not below 20, and we can climb back up - finishing up Gorky and 3rd stage Baku likely would return us to solid 50s.

EDIT: corrected some math in the post, for I initially miscalculated available minimum budget by 5.
 
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Blackstar said:
[]Import Foreign Presses: There are a considerable number of opportunities to secure heavier presses through foreign expertise and import. While this would not be the most popular effort, it would allow a good degree of progress to be made in both quantity and quality. (-5 Party Influence) (100 Resources) (100 Progress on Gorky)
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This here is the primary argument for the foreign press. Gorky is the tool we use to build our tools. If we improve it and increase it's qualitative standards,then that means that all future industry will be better.
 
[X] Plan Flex It While You Have It
-[X]Import Foreign Presses: There are a considerable number of opportunities to secure heavier presses through foreign expertise and import. While this would not be the most popular effort, it would allow a good degree of progress to be made in both quantity and quality. (-5 Party Influence) (100 Resources) (100 Progress on Gorky)
-[X]Send Intelligence Assets: Begins the effort of stabilizing the Spanish Government, but can cause issues with parties fragmenting.
-[X]Equipment Sales and Instructors: Sending enough arms to stabilize the situation will help gain experience and update military doctrine considerably. (-5 Party Influence)
-[X]Volunteers: With the transfer of larger-scale volunteer assets along with their equipment, it should be possible to launch large scale early offensives before the fascists can stabilize their line. (-10 Party Influence)
 
[X] Plan Screw Franco but don't screw the Anarchists

Theres this checklist see, you kill off one party to unlock the next to purge them. First you kill off the fascists with everyone agreeing to kill fascists. Then comes the monarchists and liberals with everyone left agreeing to kill them. Then comes the anarchists and revisionists and other party line deviationists. Then comes those who follow the party line wrong or just fail. You kill one out of order then then the whole thing collapses and a to purge group takes over, like fascists because you broke the solidarity that created non revisionists and defeated fascists in the name of killing revisionists before their time.

It's not like super Mario, skipping to the next level just means that bowser had peach in the castle you missed and now you cant win because it's impossible to go there for you anymore.
 
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