So just in, the 3 mystery dice earlier mean the following: Germany won in France, French did worse and killed the Polish for nothing, no Vichy as the Government went into Exile instead. GPW back on track!
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition
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Oh shit well anyone want to take poland
some caricature of a factory manager is holding a ledger labled OBVIOUSLY FAKED NUMBERS when NKVD-man kicks his door down. His sidekick, statistician bureau boy lets out his signature catch phrase of "UM ACTUALLY"NKVD-man is on the job!
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No Vichy? So is the government fighting on from Algeria or what?
EDIT: What of Spain? Did the huns invade the French puppet too?
So, a worse Invasion Scare for the Brits?
Let's hope they decide that they actually can support Spain with men and material before Germans invade.
Definitely an unusual sentiment.
Let's hope they decide that they actually can support Spain with men and material before Germans invade.
Definitely an unusual sentiment.
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What happened to the British? Did they sue for peace after the Battle of France here or are they continuing to fight on like in real life?
They will probably lose Gibraltar
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@Blackstar do we have any idea on how likely our policies are to be stripped or reversed if we are purged? I'd assume there to be some precedent given how many other high ranking officials have been removed.
At this point that might be my major hope, even if our successor needs to fudge the numbers that they can at least keep something close to a proper record hidden away.
At this point that might be my major hope, even if our successor needs to fudge the numbers that they can at least keep something close to a proper record hidden away.
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The total reverse of the scientific ideologies until the numbers are to Stalin's liking, you will probably get replaced by Suslov. This means that most of the scientists will be arrested until they start precisely following party ideology, and effort in all sectors will be intensified.
Since French government went into exile and there's no Vichy France... On one hand, that means bad things.
On another hand, French still have their gold reserve, colonies and fleet. And even some colonial troops.
I'd assume that Brits and French are going to hold onto Spain with everything they can spare. Not that they can spare a lot in ground forces, but naval supremacy and the mountains means they might be able to get by.
And significant part of that campaign likely would be fought by italians, as they have a fleet in Mediterranean and it's simply easier for them to get there - for italy it would be easier to get there with their coastal shipping than for Germans to supply their army across France (Even if both are much easier than Barbarossa).
TTL's Spanish Campaign would probably be a bigger and bloodier African Campaign of OTL. If we can provoke Germans into invading Sweden too, we might even avoid the GPW altogether... It'd be more a repeat of Polish Campaign writ large for us.
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That would be...unacceptable I believe.
Not sure how that measures up to OTL but obviously our goal has to be that we make things better.
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We don't want to avoid the Great Patriotic War though. The Great Patriotic War is, in a way, Mikoyan's Win Condition for the whole Statistical Planning mess.
Because it means we can blame a lot of the numbers not adding up when the Five Year Plan comes due on the German invasion.
"Those reactionaries sold us faulty lathes" and stuff?
More like lost factories from nazi occupations, rerouted shipmets for wartime production, labor shortfalls from mass conscriptions, just general disruption that comes from fighting on your own soil.
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More that once the GPW starts, the USSR goes into Total War mode and damn all else so long as the guns keep rolling out to the front. That plus the damage the Germans inflict will let us excuse a lot of being behind target.
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The highest goals of Soviet foreign policy should be an allied Socialist Germany, Balkans, Iran, Turkey, Korea, and China; Japan, Italy, and Scandinavia too if possible. To have no immediate threats on any of the Union's borders and for its most powerful neighbours (Germany and China in particular) to be comrades.
Fulfilling future plans will be much easier if you have the industry of Germany behind you. And if you can stop the Nazis at the Dneiper or bait them into pursuing one of the Wehrmacht's big brained ideas that Hitler had to talk them out of like abandoning all secondary objectives to shoot straight for Moscow (and thus leave their flanks horribly exposed) you can achieve that.
Of course, Stalin had really big-brained foreign policy objectives like preferring a neutral, Soviet friendly but largely liberal Germany and a neutral but soviet-friendly KMT-CCP coalition China to either country actually being fully-fledged Soviet allies and comrades in revolution. All out of his belief that it'd be better to appease the Americans and British with shows of Soviet overtures to peaceful coexistence and simply building the Soviet Union as a "shining city on the hill" for the world to follow and to help the underdeveloped parts of the world industrialize until there could be a general global revolution all across the planet at once.
So even if you successfully stomp on Germany you might not get an actual DSR and instead end up with a super-Austria because Stalin is a nonce.
Fulfilling future plans will be much easier if you have the industry of Germany behind you. And if you can stop the Nazis at the Dneiper or bait them into pursuing one of the Wehrmacht's big brained ideas that Hitler had to talk them out of like abandoning all secondary objectives to shoot straight for Moscow (and thus leave their flanks horribly exposed) you can achieve that.
Of course, Stalin had really big-brained foreign policy objectives like preferring a neutral, Soviet friendly but largely liberal Germany and a neutral but soviet-friendly KMT-CCP coalition China to either country actually being fully-fledged Soviet allies and comrades in revolution. All out of his belief that it'd be better to appease the Americans and British with shows of Soviet overtures to peaceful coexistence and simply building the Soviet Union as a "shining city on the hill" for the world to follow and to help the underdeveloped parts of the world industrialize until there could be a general global revolution all across the planet at once.
So even if you successfully stomp on Germany you might not get an actual DSR and instead end up with a super-Austria because Stalin is a nonce.
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Sounds to me like Stalin is a revisionist and a wrecker.