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Quickshot0 said:
Strictly speaking Oil has some level of slack until it doesn't really anymore at which point you'll see a massive price spike as everyone competes for the same insufficient amount of oil until some one really can't afford it anymore. This is thus obviously followed by a large demand destruction cycle as those participants who cracked first drop out and then is afterwards followed by a price collapse as demand drops below supply again. At least for awhile that is, it's something that can become cyclical depending on how various players exactly act.

This is something that economists predicted beforehand for it and is arguably what we saw happen in 2012 when a strong temporary oil spike occurred when there was insufficient supply. It hasn't really reoccurred since as the various oil producing countries seem to favor keeping oil prices permanently at a moderately high level now, which has instead caused a more continuous demand destruction rather then a more spiky one.


So in that sense, it might ramp gently for awhile, but eventually if things get to tight you'd probably eventually see a spike. Unless for instance thus you get a supply side cartel that starts squeezing money from the market instead.
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We're talking long, not short-term demand. This sort of effect is quite real for short-term demand, but for long-term industry has many more options to deal with price increases. It's a lot easier to economize on consumption when you can buy or develop new, more efficient equipment and shift investment than when everyone is pretty much committed to what they have.

Now this sort of long term trend is going to expose us to more short-term shocks, which are bad. Forming a supply-side cartel to stabilize prices is not a bad idea in this context.

Basically I'm not arguing that oil peaking/tight oil transition are not economic issues. I'm arguing that there isn't an economic Armageddon scenario where our economy, dependent on energy, is forced into a downward spiral from lack of it. At least not as long as the MnKH remains responsive to current and projected prices. Maybe if we just plowed everything into trying to fight it via more extraction and went full consumptive industry we could cause it.
 
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DeltaV11.2 said:
Basically I'm not arguing that oil peaking/tight oil transition are not economic issues.
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Ah I see, we were talking about some what different things then. I was just noting price spiking does happen. And you were talking about how over time energy efficiency increases and other sources of power might get pulled in.

Of course the pain is the least if one transitions early though, as then you can more readily push more resources in to the industrial base making the alternative at ever larger scales.
 
HanEmpire said:
Apparently I'm not fit for Soviet politics at all, because I didn't see any of this coming. I would never have thought that doing a suicide run at the establishment was the winning move.

In any case, RIP Voznetic power. It was nice while it lasted.
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Don't worry bud, my own brain has folded itself into non existence trying to understand what has happened anymore.

Honestly since Voz got the Boot I'm basically completely in the dark of whats been happening

I think Im a soviet boomer ngl
fasquardon said:
Oh, and rebuild Moscow.
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At least the city is gonna be a beauty and a marvel to be in! Even if this is the 3rd time we've majorly touched the Big Potato! (I think its the 3rd if memory serves....)
 
Every time the Ministry gets a new head they demolish Moscow and declare the city's 30 year glorious renewal plan, which changes every 10 years or whenever the Minister is toppled.
 
So, we were recently discussing the government structure of the USSR in the Discord, and it turns out that while most positions require membership in the CPUSSR, strictly speaking there are no requirements at all to be a Minister outside of being appointed by the Supreme Soviet:



Realistically this would never happen except as a protest vote, of course, but by the letter of the law we are theoretically allowed to do a live re-enactment of Animal Farm. This discussion then naturally lead to the subject of cats, as is the way of the internet:



As such, please look forward to comrade minister office cat, coming to a government office near you in about threeish decades!

(Also as a sidenote, this means that technically appointing John the Intern to head the MGB would be entirely legal lol)
 
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Get the cat ministry on the presidium of the council of ministers and have incredibly important decisions that are deadlocked be decided by who can lure over comrade minister Snowbell with premium cat treats.
 
I wonder if the Comintern got abolished in this TL as well

All in favor of the cat minister, nay, cat General Secretary, cat Premier!

we could get that Soviet scientist who insisted on his cat being in the photo and everything


tbh I am genuinely supportive of giving a cat some fancy title and making them a minister, absolutely great idea
 
plotvitalnpc said:
The sun rises on a soviet union whose three most powerful politicians are all in their forties, and the people who get elevated to replace the semyonovites and fill the deputy slot might be even younger. Practically newborns compared to the previous status quo in soviet politics!

Just think of the possibilities.
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I fear for the future, this means that the extremely miniscule chance of Brezhnev is gone, truly the worst timeline, how will the Soviet Union survive without Brezhnev heroically sacrificing his torso for all those medals? Who will smoke all the cigarettes in Moscow now? Who's eyebrows will protect us from the capitalists?
The future of the Soviet Union is bleak without our greatest hero.
 
I just want the space administration to get elevated to Department status. Actually, I suppose the possibility of more Departments exists since LI and CI got split.

Electrical Industry getting split off from HI, LI, and Infra seems like the most likely addition. It's awkwardly carved up between the three of them and would be warranted if we still manage to clutch out being a global center of computing.

Maybe a split within Services? It is technically the "Department of Education and Services" and we've autodiced the fuck out of both educational and healthcare investments for decades now. If we ever got our hands on the financial organs again it would probably warrant some kind of grouping as well.

There is kind of a division within the parts of Infra that provide utility services and the parts that build megastructures, but I don't know where you'd draw the line there.

You've heard of MFPG, now get ready for GLAMR.
 
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PeaterDuck12 said:
Don't worry bud, my own brain has folded itself into non existence trying to understand what has happened anymore.

Honestly since Voz got the Boot I'm basically completely in the dark of whats been happening

I think Im a soviet boomer ngl
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Same. Whenever I vote I just go to the Discordburo and see what the DemCent machine thinks is best. It's so nice to know I'm not the only one who has no idea what's going on.

CrabMonarchy said:
Realistically this would never happen except as a protest vote, of course, but by the letter of the law we are theoretically allowed to do a live re-enactment of Animal Farm.
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Well, if there aren't any restrictions, I think the informal standard protest vote for ministerial appointmenta should be comrade-President John M. Ashbrooke, for his contribution to the anti-American struggle.
 
I mean, I assume you have to be a citizen to be appointed minister, if only because of some arcane legality with the wording, which would prevent a big (not Comrade Ashbrooke though, our most successful ever deep cover agent)
 
CrabMonarchy said:
So, we were recently discussing the government structure of the USSR in the Discord, and it turns out that while most positions require membership in the CPUSSR, strictly speaking there are no requirements at all to be a Minister outside of being appointed by the Supreme Soviet:



Realistically this would never happen except as a protest vote, of course, but by the letter of the law we are theoretically allowed to do a live re-enactment of Animal Farm. This discussion then naturally lead to the subject of cats, as is the way of the internet:



As such, please look forward to comrade minister office cat, coming to a government office near you in about threeish decades!

(Also as a sidenote, this means that technically appointing John the Intern to head the MGB would be entirely legal lol)
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A cat? No, you're missing a possibility.

VTuber minister. Not the person behind the VTuber, but the fictional persona itself.
 
@Blackstar or anyone else that knows about space a lot what has been the effect of our ongoing space program guy. I find it hard to pinpoint as he seems nowhere near as bombastic as Glushko (which is why i wanted him) but he seems to really just have faded completly out of the quest so i wanted to check up on what he has been doing.
 
Totally unrelated but @Blackstar any updates on how all the weirdo radicals in the US are doing with the unrest of the 60s just never really ending? The Panthers, the SLA, Patty Hearst, that whole universe?
 
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Hianny said:
@Blackstar or anyone else that knows about space a lot what has been the effect of our ongoing space program guy. I find it hard to pinpoint as he seems nowhere near as bombastic as Glushko (which is why i wanted him) but he seems to really just have faded completly out of the quest so i wanted to check up on what he has been doing.
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Pushing for a number of larger scale unmanned missions to several planets and next turn you will have the option to fund landers for the moons of Jupiter using the new nuclear engine if it actually proves itself in test fires. He's more boring and less ego driven then Glushko wanting more of a basic science program tm.

Crazycryodude said:
Totally unrelated but @Blackstar any updates on how all the weirdo radicals in the US are doing with the unrest of the 60s just never really ending? The Panthers, the SLA, Patty Hearst, that whole universe?
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US radicals exist and are more significant for a number of reasons, but their practical effects aren't exactly that significant outside of the so to say silent majority blowback. In your view their too unpredictable and incendiary to do anything with and are just going to go splat the second the state stops having kids gloves around them, thus there is little reason to back them. Plus Ashbrook is very much trying to ignore the problem into going away which is not working, Reagan, or whoever comes in after the next election puts in a dem government that tries to new deal harder out of the failure of the new deal will change that policy. And that will produce a few Wakos
 
Oh yeah I never expected the practical effects to mean anything outside of some bank robberies and murders in California or whatever, essentially just the usual statistical noise level of violent crime but done by nominally """political""" criminal gangs with weird sex cults and obscure manifestos instead of the standard archetype. Interesting that Ashbrook is just trying to ignore it and hope it goes away instead of COINTELPROing it though, I guess yeah like you say whoever does decide to do COINTELPRO again will then have 4-8 years of built up tension to blow off.
 
Blackstar said:
US radicals exist and are more significant for a number of reasons, but their practical effects aren't exactly that significant outside of the so to say silent majority blowback. In your view their too unpredictable and incendiary to do anything with and are just going to go splat the second the state stops having kids gloves around them, thus there is little reason to back them. Plus Ashbrook is very much trying to ignore the problem into going away which is not working, Reagan, or whoever comes in after the next election puts in a dem government that tries to new deal harder out of the failure of the new deal will change that policy. And that will produce a few Wakos
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So basically 'If I welfare state hard enough the problem will go away' or like I dunno free healthcare for everyone.
 
Balmung1 said:
So basically 'If I welfare state hard enough the problem will go away' or like I dunno free healthcare for everyone.
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Stimulation economic policies, expanded spending through supports and attempting a demand side solution for unemployment through government projects, and tax cuts to increase the money supply. This will generate some growth but the inflation from the dual-end spending increases will significantly eat into it and get whoever the poor bastard stuck with everything lambasted over ineffective government spending and the perception of out of control inflation.
 
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