Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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It's been 6 years or so, the technocrats are less politically toxic then they were in the wake of anti-corruption. They actually did stuff after Voz was ousted and pushed some of the worst offenders out, but faction building is very much to ambitious for Bal.

But if they are now politically ok, why havent they either been absorbed into one of the already existing factions or organised a new technocratic bloc? The description of the action makes it seem like the technocrats were just sitting around after voz left and either thats true and theres a reason they did it or its wrong and they have their own factions Bala would have to navigate
 
The issue is that Klim's notes are really outdated due to the ousting of Romanov, as the previous alliance has been broken. The entire political spectrum has gone trough a seismic shift. In regards to passing legislation, that Klim explicitly dedicating political support to Bal, effectively giving him training wheels because he was such an inexperienced functionary that he needed them. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

All of these actions involve building a new power block or trying to be part of Seym's block. We don't even know if building a power block is a good idea right now, we might just make ourselves the juiciest target for elimination during a power struggle. Being the sensible guy that keeps the head down and waits to be courted carries some concessions, but also involves no potential great risks during a political turnaround.
No potential great risks? How about "the second most powerful position in the Union is held by a politically weak man doing nothing to secure his position"? That makes us a much more juicy target than someone working with known, established politicians like Podgorny and Semyonov.

And again, they are outdated yes. But like, this doesn't mean the Supreme Soviet is a mystery to us. We know Podgorny is the strongest personality to the right of Semyonov, despite some setbacks. We know the latter just shanked his greatest political rival sucessfully, has the largest grouping in the Supreme Soviet and managed to appoint toadies to important positions. We know that Romanov had a technocratic background, so his oldest buddies and some of the more senior politicians of his factions likely are of that persuasion.

We know that the Ministry is an important position that is typically fought over. We have a valuable position to leverage, getting the MNKh head minister on their side is a boon for any faction, even if they intend to throw them under the bus later (which is likely what would happen with Semyonov somewhat for example).
If nobody approached the Technocrats to get their support or even construct the new independent faction Bal is dreaming of in 7 years he is certainly not going to manage it. And I dont think bringing a dozen politically toxic technocrats into the faction of our new patron would be appreciated.
While forming a faction of our own unaided may be too ambitious, I wouldn't make that assumption so readily, when Abramov was ousted and Voznesesnky died, we didn't know of Romanov when we decided to find a patron from that former factional grouping. And its been a while, I don't think they're politically toxic. People like Smelyakov got caught up in the investigations and either got ousted or faced an early retirement.
 
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Anyway, lets take a look at how the factions changed according to Balakirev:

Supreme Soviet Updated 1970>73 (Listed by Delegates, Unity, and Degree of Support) (None<Poor<Decent<Acceptable<Good<Excellent)
Ashimov's Faction: Around 80>100, +20
Kleshchev's Faction: Around 40>150, +100
Romanov's Faction: Around 530>NA, NA
Semyonov's Faction: Around 400>900, +500
Podgorny's Faction: Around 320>270, -50
Dzhussoev's Faction: Around 120>150, +30
Gulyam's Faction: Around 60>80, +20

And here are the rolls since the election.

Gulyam's Faction (69,11,90,63=233/400 or 56.2)
Dzhussoev's Faction (92,5,32,69=198/400 or 49)
Podgorny's Faction (78,9,1,18=106/400 or 26.5)
Kosygin's/Semyonov's Faction (68,38,71,79=256/400 or 64)
Romanov's Faction (78,49,77,14=218/400 or 54.5)
Kleshchev's/Zimyanin Faction (9,98,83,2=208/400 or 52)
Ashimov's Faction (22,88,29,89=228/400 or 57)

On the right wing, it makes sense that Podgorny lost delegates, and him losing 50 and the right wing gaining 50 further validates this assessment in my mind. So I think the numbers there make sense.

Same with the Stalinists, they grew quite a bit in the turns following the election, which accounts for some gain. But completely fumbled this turn, where they could coopt the conservative end of Romanov quite easily otherwise. They have been somewhat contained, but I think they have the opportunity to massively grow this turn if a challenge is not posed by new actors arising in the latters' former faction. I think the numbers also make sense, as with Ashimov who is politically toxic for most of the CPSU.

Now, we have Semyonov. Balakirev clearly came with his number by simply adding Romanov's former faction and subtracting defections to the Stalinists and such. There is no way he can keep all these people together. But I do think that if he is smart, he can easily tilt a bit to the left, lose a bit of his right flank to Pod, but get a lot more delagates than he had previously.

He is obviously going to be in the strongest position in the CPSU next turn barring a disaster. Even if he loses 300 hundred delegates, he would sitll be in a obviously dominant position (though likely having to still compromise with Podgorny to maintain a majority government).
 
I mean so long as they don't roll a nat 100 and it works.

Naw. Like... Even the most practical Star Wars stuff (like the rods from god concept or the brilliant pebbles proposal) are big fat targets in the sky that are super cheap and easy to destroy from the ground while being insanely expensive and verrrry inaccurate.

Most of the Star Wars ideas wouldn't even be able to do any damage to the ground, nor track things fast enough to hit anything in space, and even if they could, the countermeasures are pretty easy. And the damn things are STILL sitting ducks in orbit that we can easily and cheaply kill.

(Remember, it is easy to get something high, it is hard to get something going fast, which is what an orbit is. So launching something on a sub-orbital trajectory to intercept the very predictable orbit of the target is something easily done, and since the thing in orbit is going fast, the interceptor can be quite slow, and let the target's own momentum do the damage.)

So a crit success would be to demonstrate how bloomin' stupid the idea is with such persuasive power that the politicians drop the thing and NEVER try again.

Unlike how the US has been trying to make Star Wars happening for 40 years now, because the idea of being invulnerable to the nastiest weapons on Earth has enormous seductive power. That and giant space lasers makes the SF nerds excited ('cuz even ones who know it wouldn't work, like me, get starry eyed at what the economies of scale required to build that kind of mass of weaponry in orbit could do for the rest of a space program...)

Honestly, for the US to be thinking of this stuff now, under a more staid Prez than Reagan, I wonder if they have already gotten a crit fail.

Either that, or this is how their military is dealing with the steady stream of Soviet space successes. "No, we have a space program really! Look at our GIANT SPACE LASERS!"

I wouldn't be entirely opposed to cooperating with the military, just so we can make sure they don't waste TOO much money proving to themselves that the idea is DEFINITELY stupid, also, a cooperative stance towards the military could be politically useful. But my gut says it is probably a bad idea and we should firmly declare our program a peaceful civilian enterprise.

Cooperating with the military would probably undermine Intercosmos anyway (the military will desire more secrecy, not exactly super compatible with telling German, Indian and Chinese engineers how to design payloads for our rockets and regularly having friends visit Yariyev...)

As far as the update:

The political shake-up could have gone worse. It seems that the politburo has if anything become a more hardened with the arrival of Tolokinnikov. Semyonov has de-prioritized the struggle in the colonial and post-colonial worlds and instead has chosen a man who favors direct focus on the Americans.

Note that Babkov has survived the purge (no surprise, while a hawk, he was on Semyonov's side in the crisis). But assuming that Balakirev is at least giving us accurate information about the priorities of his fellow politburo members, I suspect that the two diplomats in the politburo may have bonded over a bunch of non-professionals almost getting them both nuked, since Babkov's foci now are very fitting for a hawkish interpretation of Semyonov's worldview (or at least, what Klimenko believed Semyonov's worldview to be) and my interpretation is that Tolokinnikov's promotion is a sign that Semyonov has moved to a more hawkish position.

But given Balakirev's political inexperience, my guesses about Semyonov's outlook should be taken with plenty of salt.

My feeling is that Semyonov is weaker than he looks right now. Purging the party is gonna bring back bad memories of Stalin and alot of folks in the SupSov - maybe even in the Politburo - are going to be thinking "if he did THAT to Romanov, I bet he could have me arrested just as easy". Also, Semyonov has reduced the power of the SupSov and moved power much more towards the Party and the Politburo. That's going to have annoyed plenty of people who had gotten comfortable with the Mikoyanist statism. As such, I think Semyonov's actual staying power has sharply decreased.

I have to say, the Balakirev report had me hoping that Balakirev would be more sensitive to at least a utilitarian sort of environmentalism. But no... That was entirely too optimistic of me. Balakirev is totes into the war against nature.

Anyway. Let's talk about bureaucratic actions.

I currently favour the revolutionary approach of Doing Our ****ing Job(tm). Only propose reforms that we see as being necessary or that are uncontroversial. Put lots of dice into focus. I am not sure I even want to do any coalition assessments. If we fail that roll, Balakirev comes away with some horrible takes like the delusions that dashed Voz. It might be better to be willfully ignorant. Cultivate a reputation as a politically neutral actor. Or cultivate a reputation as an idealist, one who does not care about coalitional influence trading but who speaks his mind and works in service to ideals above expediency.

Considering how far Semyonov has stuck his neck out, and how big a prize the ministry is (meaning anyone who moves to gain influence over it would alarm other players) I think we're fairly safe from a direct assault. IMO the most serious danger is of Balakirev making some bad move that alarms other players and makes them feel they have to move against him.

Another approach might be, we don't assess the coalitions in the SupSov, we instead pick actions we think will make the political weather. Instead of trusting Balakirev's inexperienced assessment of the SupSov, instead, put forth a bold program that will establish us by actions as a man who is useful to certain actors - for example, Agricultural Land Reassessment to establish us as a friend to the rural party interests, or Free Enterprise Licensing to establish a group of enterprise managers who owe Balakirev personally (though this particular option may have long-term downsides). And so on. There are a few options that could be woven together to make Balakirev the man of a (preferably) not too powerful a constituency (if we curry too much favour with a powerful group, Balakirev marks himself out as a major player, and thus a threat). As such, if we do try to make political weather, we should probably lean into Balakirev's country boy nature. We have a few options for that.

If we seek political allies, spending 1 dice on every option might be... Acceptible. However, I would VERY much rather we didn't have the political newb try to emulate Voz. The old snake had the extraordinarily corrupt bite to back up his enjoyment of jargon-dense barking. As such I DON'T think that Balakirev should try to rebuild the conservatives under his leadership, nor do I think he should try to rebuild the technocrats. We might get a crit success or something awful like that and end up with a powerful block under the control of a political dummy. I do not want to repeat Voz's mistakes when the system is still reeling from the shock of Semyonov's purge.

Especially as Balakirev seems to show a preference for rebuilding the technocrats, and I don't want to tie our PoV character to whatever crusty relics miss the glory days under Voz!

IMO the political ally who is most in accord with the threadviet's aims is Semyonov. But if we are attached to Balakirev, the GenSec is probably a poor ally. Even if he doesn't use and throw Balakirev away weakening the ministry (which probably isn't a terrible thing for the Union overall), as I mention above, I think Semyonov just scared alot of people, and we may not want to tie ourselves to him.

The political ally that I think would be best for Balakirev is Podgorny. Pod got dunked on hard for being too dovish, which means Balakirev aligning with him wouldn't be too much of a threat to Semyonov, since Podgorny is recovering from a bad political year, and also very much was against the policies that almost got Semyonov (and the Union) nuked. Also, Podgorny is retiring soon, and therefor Balakirev aligning with him is only a problem until 1977, and thus might not be an urgent enough problem for anyone to try and undermine our minister out of fear.

Also, Podgorny has been cunning like a fox and implacable like a glacier. He's been the constant outsider and yet still managed to come out leading the 3rd most powerful political faction until Romanov's fall. If anyone could teach Balakirev how to handle politics in the SupSov, it's Podgorny. And perhaps most importantly, Balakirev has something Podgorny will want bad: power to actually liberalize the Soviet Union before he has to retire. No-one else can really offer that to Podgorny. Even if Semyonov offered the ministery to Pod for a coalition, Semyonov would face resistance just because it would be a further consolidation of power.

Also, Podgorny might enjoy the opportunity to mold Balakirev. Or, you know, he could find Bala's Vozbrained-ness deeply bloody annoying.

And while I don't place high odds on this, it might be that Balakirev might be able to succeed Podgorny as leader of the liberal wing of the Party.

Plus, it would be fun to actually get a Podgorny-view of politics. Voz and Klim both had a deep antipathy for the man and what he stood for.

On the downside of courting Podgorny: we'd move right when I want to move left. At least on the economy (actually am in favor of the social and particularly the Party reforms Podgorny wants to do).

Another... Interesting idea: what if we dedicate a bunch of focus to ship building?

with an effective demotion of Romanov from the politburo along with a reassignment to the management of the Far Eastern Shipbuilding Industry
[]Vladivostok Shipyards: The naval yards in the Far East have some of the cheapest labor and a significant market for merchant shipping between all CMEA members. Expanding the construction of large hulled container and tanker ships domestically will be essential to keep up with current American standards. If the Soviet merchant fleet is to be modernized it needs to be funded now and expanded now to compensate for deficiencies in block-wide production. An entirely new generation of ships will have to be built to break with old standards and the dogged obsolescence that has remained a major part of naval construction. (240 Resources per Dice 0/200) (-54 CI4 Electricity +5 Steel +2 General Labor +1 Educated Labor) (High Profitability)

If we help Romanov get the shipyards up and running in Vladivostok (which we want anyway, since we're gonna need a whole bunch of shipping soon) he might be able to help Bala find his feet politically.

But probably the new head of the ministry spending lots of time with a formerly influential member of the Politburo and Chairman of the Presidium would be painting a target on our boy's back.

Could be fun tho!

Also thought'd I'd mention something I haven't seen brought up, which is that getting too high a result could also be a bad thing, ala the sociology purge. Dunno how too high a result could be a bad thing here but it's def a possibility to keep in mind.

Probably getting too good a result would make people treat Balakirev as a serious political threat, and try to destroy him.

But if we get a good deputy then Bala getting used by semy to improve worker conditions and pushing down the managers and then dropped wouldnt be that bad. But narrowing the role of the ministry is scary...

Yes... Ruining Balakirev's political career to cut down the manager class to size wouldn't be the worst thing.

Bala has great boni and if we manage to counteract his severe lack of touching grass he could be quite valuable to manage the oil crisis as the one who created our scary report.

Hah! Severe lack of touching grass. :-D

Unrelated, what would happen if we actually did the river reversals? I read somewhere no one knew but the top suggestions were "the artic melts completely" and "the glaciers expand massivly" which are opposites. I kinda want to do it tbh, just to see what would happen and for the sheer hubris, I will always support hubris

We kill the Siberian swamps, that's what happens if we do full river reversal. And I don't get the impression that Balakirev is at all the sort of guy to only reverse the rivers a little. It is a pretty major and important ecoregion, especially due to its importance for migratory birds.

As for the impact on the Arctic ocean, it would make it more saline, and reduce nutrients in the surface waters, it would also make it colder, since the Siberian rivers are relatively warm. I am not sure if it would cool the Arctic enough to slow global warming to any significant degree though.

All I know is that the ecological damage river reversal was expected to do scared the OTL Soviet Union (though mostly they just were scared by the cost) and considering the OTL Soviet war against nature, anything that scared those mad lads really scares me.

And I say this despite kinda wanting to build the mega project for the sheer sake of megalomania and see Central Asia bloom... I like big projects, I cannot lie.

Anyway, moving on from political commentary and talking about the specific options we have:

Local Meat Production Grants

This option sounds like one of the few ways we have at the moment to provide more meat that isn't a CJD risk. Our critfail a wee while ago means I would very much rather not touch Domestic Meat Programs as further intensification of factory farming would only scale up how bad the consequences of that critfail are.

Then again, CJD only killed like, 100 people out of every million in the UK. We fund plenty of projects (like building cars and coal power plants) that kill way more Soviet citizens, so maybe worrying about the meat supply isn't something we should be too concerned about?

Vegetable Production Modernization

This actually sounds kinda useful. We're using scarce water to irrigate more arid land. But more vegetables is good...

Urban Beautification Programs

Yes! Want!

And heck, I want everything in services...

Bureaucracy options that just sound like plain good ideas:

Agricultural Land Reassessment

Expand Town Classification Codes

Drive Through Euro Adoption

CMEA Good Prioritization

Housing Sector Reform


Also, all of you who voted last turn to let the SupSov handle fighting the enterprise manager's lies about the environment? Good on you! If my preferred option had won, Balakirev would have been able to interfere with the students investigating the crisis. Instead Klimenko passed the ball to an organization Balakirev doesn't understand well enough to interfere with yet...

Regards,

fasquardon
 
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Now, we have Semyonov. Balakirev clearly came with his number by simply adding Romanov's former faction and subtracting defections to the Stalinists and such. There is no way he can keep all these people together. But I do think that if he is smart, he can easily tilt a bit to the left, lose a bit of his right flank to Pod, but get a lot more delagates than he had previously.

He is obviously going to be in the strongest position in the CPSU next turn barring a disaster. Even if he loses 300 hundred delegates, he would sitll be in a obviously dominant position (though likely having to still compromise with Podgorny to maintain a majority government).
I would agree that Semynov is probably in the strongest position considering he just ousted the other wing of the coalition. But I would caution against making any sort of judgement based on the number, or counting Romanovites as in the Semynov camp by default. While some will be willing to join the winning team, I would guess plenty of Romanov followers were ones that simply didn't like the Koysgin/Seymnov dominance of the political system, while having somewhat minor ideological disagreements. Plenty of delegates are also going to be very concerned about one faction gaining to much power and make alliances based on keeping the factional system intact.

We have a very, very huge room of uncertainty here, with it being unclear if Seymnov needs a junior coalition partner or a triumvirate. We could plug gains from 50-500 and shouldn't assume Seym gets anything close to 900 as a default. I wouldn't even trust the minister description as Seymnovites, that might be Bal just believing their public statements about being very loyal to Seymnov and supporting his peaceful and legitimate government reorganization.

Edit: Also, isn't it quite strange that the SupSov president is supposedly a semynovite? Consolidating both head of state and the head of government under your faction is exactly the sort thing that would raise stalinist alarm bells to the other factions, considering just how dominant a faction is and how they literally arrested their major political rival. Especially when you need the support of a different faction for the SupSov to not turn on you. This is exactly the kind of rooky mistake a smart, adaptive politician would know to avoid. So I think he's a concession to a minor faction, and Bal simply hasn't realized the tennative alliance has already been made.
 
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In terms of who we have the best chance of aligning with, I think courting Podgorny is the best move imo. For the reasons Agumentic and Fasquardon covered.

In my view he is a superior option to Semyonov, because he can cover for us politically as a senior politician with the second largest factional grouping, but is liable to ask for a lot less on our part in terms of compromise. Semyonov's current dominance both in Party organs and the Supreme Soviet, even if it is somewhat illusory, means he can extract his pound of flesh from us. And it would be very difficult to get away from under him, as he would constantly put us at odds with the rest of the Ministry. It would absolutely make us safe in the short term, but doom us in the medium/long term imo.

He also has the added benefit of retiring very soon, so if we need to, we can simply pivot away if we did enough work at cultivating our own cadres or if there is a attractive alternative in terms of patron compared to his successor. He is also probably going to move to the left as Semyonov does the same and alienates some of the right of his faction (left to Pod, but right of Semyonov in this case).
Semyonov just scared alot of people, and we may not want to tie ourselves to him.
Honestly, considering the main alternative on the left is the literal Stalinist right now. I don't think its thaaat bad. Also, remember that technically, the one who couped was Romanov. The Politburo invalidated that closed door CC decision after all, Romanov tried to constest that by going to the Minister of the Interior. Balakirev's views on this incident are probably very colored by Klimenko, who obviously is going to take this incident much more personally.
We have a very, very huge room of uncertainty here, with it being unclear if Seymnov needs a junior coalition partner or a triumpvirate. We could plug gains from 50-500 and shouldn't assume Seym gets anything close to 900 as a default. I wouldn't even trust the minister description as Seymnovites, that might be Bal just believing their public statements about being very loyal to Seymnov and supporting his peaceful and legitimate government reorganization.
He probably got this information from Klimenko, who would know. I think you're underestimating Balakirev's political acumen way too much, he is an inexperienced politician yes, but he is not naive. He has been doing high level politics for 5 years now. A toadie is not hard to spot.

And no one is assuming he will keep those 900 by default, not even Balakirev, like. He explicitly spells this out:

[]Alliance with Seymonov: Semyonov is the current titan of politics, successfully consolidating the positions of general secretary to a point not seen since Mikoyan appointed Voroshilov. This position is obviously unstable and obviously not going to last but better to work with the titan at the moment of ascension and then later collect a proverbial pound of flesh. Current work is likely going to narrow the role of the ministry itself and will involve several painful internal compromises that may not be borne by the current managerial base. (1-3 Dice)
 
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He probably got this information from Klimenko, who would know.
How would Klimenko know the current Seymnovite delegate number, after Romanov got ousted? I agree he had the numbers before Romanovs fall, but those are nearly useless beyond giving us a lower-most baseline (assuming the Romanov ousting didn't cost Seymenov a number of delegates).
I think you're underestimating Balakirev's political acumen way too much, he is an inexperienced politician yes, but he is not naive. He has been doing high level politics for 5 years now. A toadie is not hard to spot.
Well, let's look at his description.
  • Lacking a Patron (No Political Support/No Commited Dice)
  • Lacking a High Party Position
  • Inexperienced Politician (-10 to Bureaucracy Dice, +2 per Year)
It's explicitly spelled out that he lacks political experience and not been doing high level politics. Klimenko didn't get politics maluses, and he was only involved in regional politics. Considering his current info source for politics is "I heard it on the TV" and he actually believes Semynov has a comfortable if unstable majority in the SupSov, I think my judgement of him being quite naive about politics is justified. We are getting garbage information due to our guy not having touched politics, plain and simple.
 
Klimenko didn't get politics maluses, and he was only involved in regional politics.
Klimenko actually did get political maluses from his lack of management experience.
Consolidating both head of state and the head of government under your faction is exactly the sort thing that would raise stalinist alarm bells to the other factions, considering just how dominant a faction is and how they literally arrested their major political rival.
As has been mentioned, the precedent of the Chairman of the Presidium being a puppet comes from Mikoyan, and the position's significance is largely nebulous and depends on who holds it. It is entirely believable Semyonov placed one of his men on it to prevent another faction from using it against him.

Edit: To put things into perspective, if Klim died the moment he choose Balakirev as the deputy, the latter would have -30 on politics. -10 does not mean he is utterly lost, merely inexperienced.
 
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Klimenko actually did get political maluses from his lack of management experience.

As has been mentioned, the precedent of the Chairman of the Presidium being a puppet comes from Mikoyan, and the position's significance is largely nebulous and depends on who holds it. It is entirely believable Semyonov placed one of his men on it to prevent another faction from using it against him.
He did get a general malus to all dice, though not to politics specifically. So that's a fair point of correction.
But I think it's important to note that Mikoyan succeeded Stalin, at a time where political norms around power consolidation were still quite fluid. We had the possibility of a Neo-Stalinist ascending and purges proceeding as before, IIRC. What could be done back then is unlikely going to be acceptable to the SupSov almost 30 years after Stalin died. It's possible he put a toadie there as a seat-warmer while the deal is being made, but it's equally possible that Bal is completely wrong about the political allegiance. Putting young, politically dependent party members into higher positions of power seems to be part of the general political style following Voz fall.
 
What could be done back then is unlikely going to be acceptable to the SupSov almost 30 years after Stalin died. It's possible he put a toadie there as a seat-warmer while the deal is being made, but it's equally possible that Bal is completely wrong about the political allegiance.
Would it not? As I said, the CotPotSS is a position that has little actual inbuilt relevance, someone aligned to Semyonov holding it is less a threat and more a demonstration of power. It can be relevant and used a base to smooth your way through, but there aren't any actual powers beyond procedural. Whatever Semyonov can do, he can do it from his General Secretary position already. And as I edited in my post, being completely wrong about someone's political allegiance is something I'd expect from an absolutely-no-experience -30 malus to politics Balakirev he was at the beginning, but not from the current merely inexperienced -10 malus Balakirev. He doesn't actually get his information from TV right now, he'd just have to if we don't take the assessment action.
 
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Cooperating with the military would probably undermine Intercosmos anyway (the military will desire more secrecy, not exactly super compatible with telling German, Indian and Chinese engineers how to design payloads for our rockets and regularly having friends visit Yariyev...)
I thought Interkosmos was just about sending other commie nation cosmonaut into space and maybe give them some ride-share satellite mission?
Also, all of you who voted last turn to let the SupSov handle fighting the enterprise manager's lies about the environment? Good on you! If my preferred option had won, Balakirev would have been able to interfere with the students investigating the crisis. Instead Klimenko passed the ball to an organization Balakirev doesn't understand well enough to interfere with yet...
We dancing through the rain drops with this one, dude :V
 
Also, all of you who voted last turn to let the SupSov handle fighting the enterprise manager's lies about the environment? Good on you! If my preferred option had won, Balakirev would have been able to interfere with the students investigating the crisis. Instead Klimenko passed the ball to an organization Balakirev doesn't understand well enough to interfere with yet...

Would we want Balakirev to interfere with the students? The option he gave for the industries and his general disregard for the ecology means that we will probably keep him away from anything approaching it to minimise the damage he can do.
 
And now something to lighten the mood before the vote - in light of our efforts to keep the steel discount together with this delightful snippet,
Steel: (31/39/62) Massive Export
Straight from CMEA trade conference in 1973:


Daddy Ashbrook, please help us and put the tariffs up so we can keep the steel within the country without expending our own political capital.
 
Something interesting that has not been commented on as far as I know, it seems that with Semyonov's consolidation, the question of the Euro has been considerably accelerated. Previously, Garetovsky was merely agitating for it, and the MFA was uninvolved:
Ministry of Finance

Minister: Nikolai Viktorovich Garetovsky(1969): Promoted after a career in the Ministry of Finance as the direct assistant to Garbuzov, Garetovsky is to a large extent a direct continuation. He is effectively one of the largest advocates for increasing the extent of financial mechanisms in the planned economy along with strengthening Gosbank. Continued work in the department is expected as debt balances expand to increase the rate of modernization of the enterprises. Further, he is a close ally of Semyonov and his advancement has led to the push of several of Romanov's suggestions elsewhere in the council of ministers.
  • Semyonov 's Faction
  • Market focused
  • Euro Proponent
  • Financial Expansionist
  • Mathematical Economist
  • Maximum Growth Focus
Current Major Programs:
-Expanding Spending
-Agitating for the Euro
-Increasing Gosbank Turnover


Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Minister: Igor Vasilyevich Babkov(1964): A new appointment from the Uzbek SSR and a notable political figure pushing for a far greater engagement with the Middle East and northern Africa as the "fronts" of the anti-imperialist struggle. A radical change from the previous minister, if educated in a conventional political fashion for a diplomat and nowhere near as radical as Masherov would have liked. His current policy proposals are expected to focus on the construction of socialist states abroad and the preparation for general confrontation instead of an inherent focus on the rollback of American influence. Shifted out of one of the lower departments of the old MFA and an outspoken critic he nonetheless cannot be easily disregarded by any political alignment.
  • Hawkish
  • Ideologically Flexible
  • Internationalist
  • Moderately Interventionist
  • Militarization Advocate
  • Diplomat
Current Major Programs:
-Upholding the Anti-Imperalist Struggle
-Founding new CMEA adjacent Organizations
-Expanding Collaboration against Poverty
-Building Parallel Institutions
But now, not only is the MFA involved in "Advancing the Euro", but Garetovsky has moved from agitating towards it, towards actively preparing for its implementation it seems.
Ministry of Finance

Minister: Nikolai Viktorovich Garetovsky(1969): Promoted after a career in the Ministry of Finance as the direct assistant to Garbuzov, Garetovsky is to a large extent a direct continuation. He is effectively one of the largest advocates for increasing the extent of financial mechanisms in the planned economy along with strengthening Gosbank. Continued work in the department is expected as debt balances expand to increase the rate of modernization of the enterprises. Further, he is a close ally of Semyonov and his advancement has led to the push of several of Romanov's suggestions elsewhere in the council of ministers.
  • Semyonov 's Faction
  • Market focused
  • Euro Proponent
  • Financial Expansionist
  • Mathematical Economist
  • Maximum Growth Focus
Current Major Programs:
-Preparing for Large Scale Currency Shifts
-Ensuring Currency and Trade Stability
-Expanding Financial Sector Activity


Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Minister: Igor Vasilyevich Babkov(1964): A new appointment from the Uzbek SSR and a notable political figure pushing for a far greater engagement with the Middle East and northern Africa as the "fronts" of the anti-imperialist struggle. A radical change from the previous minister, if educated in a conventional political fashion for a diplomat and nowhere near as radical as Masherov would have liked. His current policy proposals are expected to focus on the construction of socialist states abroad and the preparation for general confrontation instead of an inherent focus on the rollback of American influence. Shifted out of one of the lower departments of the old MFA and an outspoken critic he nonetheless cannot be easily disregarded by any political alignment.
  • Hawkish
  • Ideologically Flexible
  • Internationalist
  • Moderately Interventionist
  • Militarization Advocate
  • Diplomat
Current Major Programs:
-Restructuring Soviet Comitments
-Advancing the Euro
-Expanding Collaboration against Poverty
So it might not be the worst ideia to []Drive Through Euro Adoption, it plays nice with Semyonov even if we don't decide to directly ally him, and it adds even further to the momentum the Euro seems to have gotten this turn.

Also, another thing of note.
General Secretary: Vladimir Semyonovich Semyonov(1969): With the retirement of Kosygin Semyonov is the only logical and rational man to take the post with an immediate shift in the prioritization of politics. Going up as someone with experience in party work rather than more conventional technical fields Semyonov represents something of a change in party cadres. The man has a negligible degree of experience working with institutions and even considers that the workers having a primary say in some operations ahead of more reliable state powers as preferable. Most of these programs are almost certain to fall short of failing but the man is at least positioning himself as a champion of the workers and a credible alternative to significant deviations in politics.
  • Factional Leader
  • Trade Unionist
  • Focused on Fighting Inequality
  • Foreign Policy Dove
  • Social Liberal
  • Economically Inexperienced
Current Major Programs:
-Consolidating Domestic Power
-Dramatic Interior Ministry Restructuring
-Reorganization of Party Bodies

Minister of the Interior: Vladimir Ignatievich Brovikov(1973): Something of a neutral candidate and what some may argue is a rushed candidate to replace Romanov, Brovikov is a party man in his entirety. Technically a journalist by trade he has most of a decade of intensive work in Belarusian party organs and was instrumental in several anti-corruption operations. This has led to his placement into the Ministry of Interior as a capable hand that Seymonov and everyone else can trust. He remains an idealist compared to several of those tasked with internal work leaving him very out of place for ministerial duties. Further, as someone young and directly connected to the investigations of the sixties it is unlikely that he will be able to tame the ministry, much less bring it to productive ends.
  • Belarusian Party Base
  • Politically Weak
  • Idealistic
  • Social Scientist
  • Propagandist
  • Anti-Corruption Investigator
Current Major Programs:
-Performing Political Cleaning
-Replacing Aggressive Staff
-Reforming Personel Lists
The Ministry of the Interior is going through some dramatic shifts. The GenSec is personally intervening and its Minister is actively cleaning house. Obukhov siding against him after the Politburo confirmed his position really lit a fire under his ass.
Petroleum Fuels: (35/37/35) (OPEC CMEA Imports) (21-40 Strong Increase in Economic Growth, Fuel Use, and Chemical Development)
+7 Net Civilian Spending
+3 Fields Depletion
-2 Field Modernization
This is fine, nothing to see here!
 
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Alright, this has few dice shifted since the preliminary version - I was convinced than we need even more dice on power plants to decisively address our power issues while we have the focus. If our luck is not bad, we knock three stages out and maybe don't even need more next turn (lol).

Decided to do a couple of versions, since there were some possibly valid concerns about whether Technocrats as the faction are possible or worth it. I think they are, but still, another idea might be to try and reach towards the rurals before the election, perhaps finally becoming the MNKh Minister that finds the illusive mythical beast known as "rural cadre". There are some risks involved with the action, but I don't think they are huge ones.

A third version is pushing for Euro, since the rest of the government is doing it. We should look inoffensive even if we fumble it, though maybe that just means we get saddled with all the blame.

[X] Plan Energetic Realignment
-[X]7365/7370 Resources (5 Reserve), 48 Dice Rolled
-[X]Infrastructure (6/4 Dice, 725 R)

--[X]Western Passenger Rail Expansion, 1 Dice (150 R), 100%/100%
--[X]Far Eastern High Capacity Corridor, 2 Dice (230 R), 54%/68%
--[X]Civilian Airports(Stage 4/5), 3 Dice (345 R), 96%/98%
-[X]Heavy Industry (8/10 Dice, 2010 R)
--[X]Donets Coal Basin Mechanization, 1 Dice (185 R), 76%/91%
--[X]Atomash(Stage 2/3), 2 Dice (620 R), 99%/100%
--[X]Kiev Machine Building Plant, 1 Dice (290 R), 0%/0%
--[X]Second Generation Lithography, 1 Dice (285 R), 40%/55%
--[X]Baltic Sea Shipyards, 3 Dice (630 R), 91%/95%
-[X]Rocketry (2/2 Dice, 0 R)
--[X]Expand Intercosmos, 1 Dice
--[X]Formalize Peaceful Competition, 1 Dice
-[X]Light Industry (5/6 Dice, 930 R)
--[X]Light Home Appliance Plants, 2 Dice (340 R), 75%/85%
--[X]Color Television Modernization, 2 Dice (380 R), 32%/45%
--[X]Second Generation Calculators, 1 Dice (210 R), 100%/100%
-[X]Chemical Industry (12/11 Dice, 2420 R)
--[X]West Siberian Petroleum Fields(Stage 3/6), 4 Dice (640 R), 100%/100%
--[X]Volga-Ural Petroleum Modernization, 1 Dice (190 R), 0%/0%
--[X]Power Plants(CCGT), 4 Dice (1000 R), 100%/100%
--[X]Stabilization of Agrochemicals, 1 Dice (210 R), 57%/72%
--[X]Synthetic Rubber Plants(Stage 4/4), 2 Dice (380 R), 88%/94%
-[X]Agriculture (3/4 Dice, 390 R)
--[X]Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 4/10), 3 Dice (390 R), 95%/97%
-[X]Services (5/3 Dice, 890 R)
--[X]Transportation Enterprises(Stage 4/5), 3 Dice (570 R), 95%/98%
--[X]Town-Market Construction, 2 Dice (320 R), 98%/100%
-[X]Bureaucracy (8/8 Dice, 0 R)
--[X]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(CCGT Power Plants), 1 Dice
--[X]Assess the Supreme Soviet, 1 Dice
--[X]Reach Out to Podgorny, 3 Dice
--[X]Reconnect with the Technocrats, 3 Dice


[X] Plan Energetic Realignment (Mythical Rural Cadres Edition)
-[X]7365/7370 Resources (5 Reserve), 48 Dice Rolled
-[X]Infrastructure (6/4 Dice, 725 R)

--[X]Western Passenger Rail Expansion, 1 Dice (150 R), 100%/100%
--[X]Far Eastern High Capacity Corridor, 2 Dice (230 R), 54%/68%
--[X]Civilian Airports(Stage 4/5), 3 Dice (345 R), 96%/98%
-[X]Heavy Industry (8/10 Dice, 2010 R)
--[X]Donets Coal Basin Mechanization, 1 Dice (185 R), 76%/91%
--[X]Atomash(Stage 2/3), 2 Dice (620 R), 99%/100%
--[X]Kiev Machine Building Plant, 1 Dice (290 R), 0%/0%
--[X]Second Generation Lithography, 1 Dice (285 R), 40%/55%
--[X]Baltic Sea Shipyards, 3 Dice (630 R), 91%/95%
-[X]Rocketry (2/2 Dice, 0 R)
--[X]Expand Intercosmos, 1 Dice
--[X]Formalize Peaceful Competition, 1 Dice
-[X]Light Industry (5/6 Dice, 930 R)
--[X]Light Home Appliance Plants, 2 Dice (340 R), 75%/85%
--[X]Color Television Modernization, 2 Dice (380 R), 32%/45%
--[X]Second Generation Calculators, 1 Dice (210 R), 100%/100%
-[X]Chemical Industry (12/11 Dice, 2420 R)
--[X]West Siberian Petroleum Fields(Stage 3/6), 4 Dice (640 R), 100%/100%
--[X]Volga-Ural Petroleum Modernization, 1 Dice (190 R), 0%/0%
--[X]Power Plants(CCGT), 4 Dice (1000 R), 100%/100%
--[X]Stabilization of Agrochemicals, 1 Dice (210 R), 57%/72%
--[X]Synthetic Rubber Plants(Stage 4/4), 2 Dice (380 R), 88%/94%
-[X]Agriculture (3/4 Dice, 390 R)
--[X]Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 4/10), 3 Dice (390 R), 95%/97%
-[X]Services (5/3 Dice, 890 R)
--[X]Transportation Enterprises(Stage 4/5), 3 Dice (570 R), 95%/98%
--[X]Town-Market Construction, 2 Dice (320 R), 98%/100%
-[X]Bureaucracy (8/8 Dice, 0 R)
--[X]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(CCGT Power Plants), 1 Dice
--[X]Expand Town Classification Codes, 1 Dice
--[X]Assess the Supreme Soviet, 1 Dice
--[X]Reach Out to Podgorny, 3 Dice
--[X]Reconnect with the Technocrats, 2 Dice


[X] Plan Energetic Realignment (Euro Edition)
-[]7310/7370 Resources (60 Reserve), 48 Dice Rolled
-[X]Infrastructure (6/4 Dice, 725 R)

--[X]Western Passenger Rail Expansion, 1 Dice (150 R), 100%/100%
--[X]Far Eastern High Capacity Corridor, 2 Dice (230 R), 54%/68%
--[X]Civilian Airports(Stage 4/5), 3 Dice (345 R), 96%/98%
-[X]Heavy Industry (8/10 Dice, 1955 R)
--[X]Kuzbas Deposit Exploitation(Stage 4/5), 1 Dice (130 R), 0%/0%
--[X]Atomash(Stage 2/3), 2 Dice (620 R), 99%/100%
--[X]Kiev Machine Building Plant, 1 Dice (290 R), 0%/0%
--[X]Second Generation Lithography, 1 Dice (285 R), 40%/55%
--[X]Baltic Sea Shipyards, 3 Dice (630 R), 91%/95%
-[X]Rocketry (2/2 Dice, 0 R)
--[X]Expand Intercosmos, 1 Dice
--[X]Formalize Peaceful Competition, 1 Dice
-[X]Light Industry (5/6 Dice, 930 R)
--[X]Light Home Appliance Plants, 2 Dice (340 R), 75%/85%
--[X]Color Television Modernization, 2 Dice (380 R), 32%/45%
--[X]Second Generation Calculators, 1 Dice (210 R), 100%/100%
-[X]Chemical Industry (12/11 Dice, 2420 R)
--[X]West Siberian Petroleum Fields(Stage 3/6), 4 Dice (640 R), 100%/100%
--[X]Volga-Ural Petroleum Modernization, 1 Dice (190 R), 0%/0%
--[X]Power Plants(CCGT), 4 Dice (1000 R), 100%/100%
--[X]Stabilization of Agrochemicals, 1 Dice (210 R), 57%/72%
--[X]Synthetic Rubber Plants(Stage 4/4), 2 Dice (380 R), 88%/94%
-[X]Agriculture (3/4 Dice, 390 R)
--[X]Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 4/10), 3 Dice (390 R), 95%/97%
-[X]Services (5/3 Dice, 890 R)
--[X]Transportation Enterprises(Stage 4/5), 3 Dice (570 R), 95%/98%
--[X]Town-Market Construction, 2 Dice (320 R), 98%/100%
-[X]Bureaucracy (8/8 Dice, 0 R)
--[X]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(CCGT Power Plants), 1 Dice
--[X]Drive Through Euro Adoption, 1 Dice
--[X]Assess the Supreme Soviet, 1 Dice
--[X]Reach Out to Podgorny, 3 Dice
--[X]Reconnect with the Technocrats, 2 Dice
 
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[X] Plan Bala landing the plane
-[X]7345/7370 Resources (25 Reserve), 47 Dice Rolled
-[X]Infrastructure (3/4 Dice, 380 R)
--[X]Western Passenger Rail Expansion, 1 Dice (150 R), 100%/100%
--[X]Far Eastern High Capacity Corridor, 2 Dice (230 R), 54%/68%
-[X]Heavy Industry (10/10 Dice, 2715 R)
--[X]Atomash(Stage 2/3), 2 Dice (620 R), 99%/100%
--[X]Kiev Machine Building Plant, 3 Dice (870 R), 64%/74%
--[X]Second Generation Lithography, 1 Dice (285 R), 40%/55%
--[X]Baltic Sea Shipyards, 2 Dice (420 R), 32%/45%
--[X]Volga Automotive Plant Modernization, 2 Dice (520 R), 54%/68%
-[X]Rocketry (2/2 Dice, 0 R)
--[X]Expand Intercosmos, 1 Dice
--[X]Formalize Peaceful Competition, 1 Dice
-[X]Light Industry (6/6 Dice, 1050 R)
--[X]Air Conditioner Plants(Stage 6/8), 2 Dice (300 R), 18%/29%
--[X]Mixed Textile Industries(Stage 2/3), 1 Dice (160 R), 18%/33%
--[X]Color Television Modernization, 2 Dice (380 R), 32%/45%
--[X]Second Generation Calculators, 1 Dice (210 R), 100%/100%
-[X]Chemical Industry (8/11 Dice, 1600 R)
--[X]West Siberian Petroleum Fields(Stage 3/6), 4 Dice (640 R), 100%/100%
--[X]Power Plants(CCGT), 3 Dice (750 R), 100%/100%
--[X]Stabilization of Agrochemicals, 1 Dice (210 R), 57%/72%
-[X]Agriculture (4/4 Dice, 480 R)
--[X]Domestic Meat Programs(Stage 4/10), 2 Dice (260 R), 42%/56%
--[X]Vegetable Production Modernization, 2 Dice (220 R), 4%/10%
-[X]Services (8/3 Dice, 1120 R)
--[X]Transportation Enterprises(Stage 4/5), 2 Dice (380 R), 43%/57%
--[X]Urban Beautification Programs, 2 Dice (220 R), 32%/45%
--[X]Development of Population Services(Stage 1/3), 4 Dice (520 R), 97%/99%
-[X]Bureaucracy (8/8 Dice, 0 R)
--[X]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(West Siberian Petroleum Fields), 1 Dice
--[X]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Power Plants(CCGT)), 1 Dice
--[X]Assess the Supreme Soviet, 1 Dice
--[X]Reach Out to Podgorny, 3 Dice
--[X]Reconnect with the Technocrats, 2 Dice

[X] Plan Nerd Powered Eurovision
 
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I just had a thought, with the oil crisis hitting us soonish, would empowering less desirable people bad policies for short term rewards be a valid way to discredit them by having the big economic crash following them?


Like privatizing the car industry for podgormy and then blaming them for the oil crash
 
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[X] Plan Energetic Realignment (Mythical Rural Cadres Edition)
[X] Plan Bala landing the plane
[X] Plan Nerd Power
[X] Plan Nerd Powered Eurovision
 
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[X] Plan Energetic Realignment (Euro Edition)
[X] Plan Nerd Powered Eurovision, Clearsighted Edition
[X] Plan Redline Machinery
 
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Are we sure the hidden compromise Semyonov made wasn't with the military?
They had members of the navy killed and we are repaying France for the battle. And they are one of the reasons he is still in power, but they were not enthusiast about it.

Yet we just got a near hawk, just not one especially concerned with the colonial struggle, coming directly from the military, even directly after the near nuclear war that happened.

I'm not saying Semyonov is planning a coup, I actually think with the current situation it is more likely for the military to coup him if he gets too much power without compromises (the military also remember Stalin), if Semyonov is actually comprimising with them.

I'm just asking to make us consider if denying cooperation with the military on space is actually a hidden political landmine or not.
 
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