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[]Support Him... (-3 Bureaucracy Dice) (1 Bureaucracy Dice Controlled by Balakirev)
Question: Is Balakirev's dice one of the three we lose, or is it taken from the remainders? I can just about stomach having three dice of our own and three under SupSov/Balakirev control, but if we have only two of our own dice that's too much for me.
 
[X]Plan A Technical Revolution
-[X]Keep to Romanov's Line
-[X]Updates to Wage Policy
-[X]Increase IP Acquisitions
-[X]Support Him
 
Question: Is Balakirev's dice one of the three we lose, or is it taken from the remainders? I can just about stomach having three dice of our own and three under SupSov/Balakirev control, but if we have only two of our own dice that's too much for me.
It says "1 Bureaucracy Dice Controlled by Balakirev", so yes, he will control one of them as was done with the Supreme Soviet last plan if we pick that option.

This likely represents his greater involvement in the running (I can see him doing his own []Dedicate Focus Towards a Project in CI for example) and shaping of the Ministry through reforms and such, which should give him enough experience and connections to be able to run it effectively in 5 years without major disruptions.
 
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[X]Plan One Currency Policy
-[X]Keep to Romanov's Line
-[X]Updates to Wage Policy
-[X]Accelerate Euro Adoption
-[X]Support Him

I generally see the reasoning in getting as many modifiers for the tech industry as possible, though out of IPs and wage policy, id rather keep wage policy and drop IPs to get Euro acceleration. Having one currency across half of Eurasia will have immense effects down the line, and I fear that it will be delayed to hell and back if oil shock hits. Especially since the blurb kind of implies that people are dragging their feet on it already. This way we also will only have favours to Romanov, one of which gets eaten by the bonus we already have anyway.

[X]Plan One Currency Policy, also fuck Balakirev
-[X]Keep to Romanov's Line
-[X]Updates to Wage Policy
-[X]Accelerate Euro Adoption
-[X]His Own Merits

Version without supporting Balakirev. No strong opinions on this one.
 
It says "1 Bureaucracy Dice Controlled by Balakirev", so yes, he will control one of them as was done with the Supreme Soviet last plan if we pick that option.

This likely represents his greater involvement in the running (I can see him doing his own []Dedicate Focus Towards a Project in CI for example) and shaping of the Ministry through reforms and such, which should give him enough experience and connections to be able to run it effectively in 5 years without major disruptions.
I know he will control a dice either way. My question is:
Do we first loose the three dice, and then one of our remaining three directly controlled bureuracy dice flips to Balakirev's control, leaving us with 2 of our own dice, 1 under Balakirev's control, and 2 under SupSov control
OR
Of the three dice we lose, one of them gets directly taken by Balakirev, leaving us with 3 of our own dice, 1 under Balakirev's control, and 2 under SupSov control?
 
I know he will control a dice either way. My question is:
Do we first loose the three dice, and then one of our remaining three directly controlled bureuracy dice flips to Balakirev's control, leaving us with 2 of our own dice, 1 under Balakirev's control, and 2 under SupSov control
OR
Of the three dice we lose, one of them gets directly taken by Balakirev, leaving us with 3 of our own dice, 1 under Balakirev's control, and 2 under SupSov control?
We end up with 3 free dice at the very least for sure, more if our commitments to the SupSov are reduced due to our decreased reliance on Romanov, though I am not sure on the latter. That is to say, of the three dice that are taken away, one of them is effectively transferred to Balakirev yes.
 
We end up with 3 free dice at the very least for sure, more if our commitments to the SupSov are reduced due to our decreased reliance on Romanov, though I am not sure on the latter. That is to say, of the three dice that are taken away, one of them is effectively transferred to Balakirev yes.
OK thank you for confirming. Having three dice under our control is manageble.

Still not sure backing Balakirev is ideal though. Wasn't the point of the post-Voznesensky restructurings that the ministry is no longer a hereditary monarchy, meaning there's no guarantee he'll actually be the successor. Plus I worry about the precedent of our character taking time away from his actual job (hence the loss of two bureaucracy dice) to spend time teaching his underling about politics. Perhaps I'm being paranoid, but that sounds like encouraging patronage networks.

EDIT:
Actually, doing the Euro Adoption will naturally lead to open immigration down the line.
Could you elaborate on this please? I don't see the route by which trade integration forces open immigration in the future.

But whether it does or does not, I see []Accelerate Euro Adoption as a better option than []Updates to Wage Policy. Brain Drain is not great, but it does mean our engineers spread throughout the CMEA at least. Plus, the wage issue will partially solve itself as reduced domestic supply drives up skilled labor prices, and if the problem persists SupSov will be more willing to let us take action against it without spending an expensive favor. By contrast, if the CMEA integration goes wrong (which there's apparently a serious chance of happening, otherwise we wouldn't need to spend a favor to make sure it happens), we'll feel the missed opportunity for decades and will NOT be able to fix it ourselves. I really don't want to pass this chance up.
 
[X]Plan Vibrant 70s
[X]Plan Kosygin's Legacy
[X]Plan Technocratic Centrist
[X]Plan Comrade Semyonov
[X]Plan A Liberal Pivot
[X]Plan A Liberal Pivot, Sink or Swim edition

Voting for any plan that supports my based boy Sem. It is time to remove the last remaining reactionaries, which is our faction
 
[X]Plan Vibrant 70s
[X]Plan Kosygin's Legacy
[X]Plan Technocratic Centrist
[X]Plan Comrade Semyonov
[X]Plan A Liberal Pivot
[X]Plan A Liberal Pivot, Sink or Swim edition
 
Still not sure backing Balakirev is ideal though. Wasn't the point of the post-Voznesensky restructurings that the ministry is no longer a hereditary monarchy, meaning there's no guarantee he'll actually be the successor. Plus I worry about the precedent of our character taking time away from his actual job (hence the loss of two bureaucracy dice) to spend time teaching his underling about politics. Perhaps I'm being paranoid, but that sounds like encouraging patronage networks.
I am not sure what do you mean. Obviously, it isn't literally assured he'll be the successor, but when picking which man to confirm, the protege of the last minister that has already built ties in the ministry is kind of an obvious choice. That's just normal bureaucratic practice, nothing particularly corrupt. And, well, providing smooth succession can be argued to be an important part of the actual job, as far as politics that bureaucracy dice represent go.
 
[X]Plan One Currency Policy
-[X]Keep to Romanov's Line
-[X]Updates to Wage Policy
-[X]Accelerate Euro Adoption
-[X]Support Him
 
[X]Plan Out With Gold, in With the €
-[X]Keep to Romanov's Line
-[X]Updates to Wage Policy
-[X]Accelerate Euro Adoption
-[X]Increase IP Acquisitions
-[X]Support Him

I see a lot of people want to do the Euro, if we are going to stay with Romanov, owing him another favor won't be the end of the world. I still think IP acquisitions are incredibly important if we want to actually build up our electronic industry, owing both Semyonov and Romanov one favor is not great, but well, keeping to Romanov's line is likely the least painful way to go about that and we are in a coalition so I don't think it will be career ending.

I did a re-read of the previous updates, and the Euro is planned to be put into universal circulation and floated by 1980.
A finalized plan for the integration and replacement of all separate currencies across CMEA has been completed with only a minimal degree of bickering. An effective representative trust with membership determined by the population of each respective country has been organized as a block wide monetary apparatus for European CMEA. This has been combined with efforts to start with the formalization and unification of the general currency system. To improve monetary supplies, the new currency is expected to significantly loosen its backing towards gold in its immediate creation, followed by a general separation from it by 1980. The path ahead will be hard, especially as a new centralized monetary monetary apparatus is likely to be criticized for a number of decisions, but the gains from unifying commerce and valuation in the block cannot be under-estimated.
Moving forward the time table to it to 1975 much more likely to pass more smoothly, since Semyonov and the MoF, its main advocates, are unlikely to be out before then, and it gives less chance of a oil shock or economic crisis to ruin things with CMEA. And speaking of the latter two, floating it means we will have a easier time dealing with economic shocks like them.
 
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In view of all the discussion of the Euro, I have a question.

@Blackstar How exactly is Kosygin's Euro supposed to work? It's a fully fiat currency, not the current gold-backed trade currency/fiat internal currency we have now right? Is there a central bank? And are there transfer payments to stop wealth pooling in the most wealthy states? Or is the Kosygin Euro system basically a vampire that will suck dry our poorer CMEA allies?

owing both Semyonov and Romanov one favor is not great

I am very nervous about owing favours to both. We can do without any single one of the options we're choosing from, we can't do without political stability.

Voting for any plan that supports my based boy Sem. It is time to remove the last remaining reactionaries, which is our faction

Romanov seems a good bit more liberal than Klimenko so far. So while I like the intent here, I really wonder if Klimenko can help Semyonov. He needs to hold off Romanov from pushing further into the center, while needing to push left against Podgorny. The last being most important since Podgorny seems to have caught a wave that doesn't seem likely to stop this dacade at least.

As such, I'm not sure that Klimenko aligning with Semyonov would help him, instead shackling to our old-before-his-time minister. Moving right might help Semyonov more, as by undermining Romanov on the right, we could put Romanov in a squeeze between Semyonov and Klimenko... We've been told that Romanov is being too liberal for many of his faction already and he's told Klimenko he intends to push for further liberalization, meaning there's a chance Klimenko could fatally weaken Romanov by playing to what the conservatives in the SupSov want to hear.

The problem with trying to help Semyonov that way is that it may work too well, and Klimenko destroys Romanov, Semyonov gets basically no defectors from the more moderate members of the conservative faction, and is crushed between Klimenko and Podgorny, leading to a more polarised situation once the dust settles.

Still not sure backing Balakirev is ideal though. Wasn't the point of the post-Voznesensky restructurings that the ministry is no longer a hereditary monarchy, meaning there's no guarantee he'll actually be the successor. Plus I worry about the precedent of our character taking time away from his actual job (hence the loss of two bureaucracy dice) to spend time teaching his underling about politics. Perhaps I'm being paranoid, but that sounds like encouraging patronage networks.

I mean, the patronage network is so deeply entrenched, that I don't think we'll ever fully get rid of it. It's like a weed that we need to trim back occasionally so it doesn't take over the system, Voz-style. But like a weed, when it doesn't overflow its niche it can play a valuable role too.

The existence of informal connections circulating resources around the system is kind of like a gray market, it can help undesirable activities take place, but it isn't itself undesirable.

And making provision for a stable succession is not an irresponsible approach. Plus, helping Mr. Chemical industries learn the ministry under a minister with such an interest in the social sphere may serve to blunt the sharp engineer edges we worried about choosing Balakirev.

And if he doesn't become minister, having a well trained deputy to babysit the new guy, or go on to do something else in Soviet politics with a good understanding of how the ministry works, could be rather valuable.

Regards,

fasquardon
 
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@Blackstar How exactly is Kosygin's Euro supposed to work? It's a fully fiat currency, not the current gold-backed trade currency/fiat internal currency we have now right? Is there a central bank? And are there transfer payments to stop wealth pooling in the most wealthy states? Or is the Kosygin Euro system basically a vampire that will suck dry our poorer CMEA allies?
Central bank with the chair determined by European CMEA members with representatives to that council sent relative to the member states population. Its a fully fiat currency in implementation, arguably backed by Soviet banking and bonds, but its entirely fiat. Transfer payments are considered but mostly as a state to state matter with the central bank and other CMEA centric financial organs charged with governing it. The transfer payment part has to an extent not really been considered, the project is one of the first of its kind and to an extent its seen more as a further step in increasing trade/breaking down whatever tiny barriers are left.
 
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