Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
If we gave him a Mind Blank item, which we aren't going to do if I can help it, he could disappear into the Planes and we would never find him.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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- florida
Sooooo. He's basing planetos side then?
Paradosi
Myrddin
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- VV Cephei
I do kind of want us to meet your usual Red, just to show peeps just how downright reasonable Amrelath is.
That's not directed at one in particular so much as the idea that only Viserys can overcome his instincts and become the better for it. That's nonsense and the very idea takes all the agency out of everyone who isn't Viserys.
That's not directed at one in particular so much as the idea that only Viserys can overcome his instincts and become the better for it. That's nonsense and the very idea takes all the agency out of everyone who isn't Viserys.
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
It's a two-way street, though. Everything there will be immune or highly resistant to his breath weapon, too.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
There's a reason for that. Reds are the most unlikely of all breeds to change their inborn alignment. It occurs so rarely that it's happened just once in living Draconic memory on the planet of Golarion.
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- Argentina
Which doesn't matter when you have minions to deal that damage for you.
On the other hand, said minions can also attempt a coup against you, but let's assume that Amy is not so stupid to cause that.
ryuan
From Zero to Hero!
That moment when you realize that the thing with greatest monetary value we stole was a bunch of doors.
I really would like to see what this would look like in a normal D&D table.
DM: "And the total treasure totals to about 10k gold."
Player 1: "Just that? Those things were obviously overpowered for their CR! We should get at least 50k!"
DM: "Sorry, the creature entry was 'half treasure' so better luck next time."
Player 2: "You locked us in the room with the monster and didn't let us retreat, we almost got a TPK here, at least you can give us more xp out of it!"
DM: "It's already with a higher CR for your level so you got a nice chunk."
Player 1: "It was ONE level above our party."
DM: "Never the less."
Player 3: "... what are the doors made of again? Since we couldn't break it open to either enter or left."
DM: "About three inches thick Adamantium doors. The large gate type ones."
Player 3: *grins* "Oh my, isn't it nice then that I still have both Fabricate and Shrink Item prepared? Let's see, three inches thick pure adamantium doors... carry the two... thank you for gifting us three tons worth of adamantium! That's several million of gp you gave us! Thank you oh great DM!"
DM: "..."
Player 1: "Heh, maybe the next place he will loot the dungeon walls too, what will they be made of? Dragonstone?"
I really would like to see what this would look like in a normal D&D table.
DM: "And the total treasure totals to about 10k gold."
Player 1: "Just that? Those things were obviously overpowered for their CR! We should get at least 50k!"
DM: "Sorry, the creature entry was 'half treasure' so better luck next time."
Player 2: "You locked us in the room with the monster and didn't let us retreat, we almost got a TPK here, at least you can give us more xp out of it!"
DM: "It's already with a higher CR for your level so you got a nice chunk."
Player 1: "It was ONE level above our party."
DM: "Never the less."
Player 3: "... what are the doors made of again? Since we couldn't break it open to either enter or left."
DM: "About three inches thick Adamantium doors. The large gate type ones."
Player 3: *grins* "Oh my, isn't it nice then that I still have both Fabricate and Shrink Item prepared? Let's see, three inches thick pure adamantium doors... carry the two... thank you for gifting us three tons worth of adamantium! That's several million of gp you gave us! Thank you oh great DM!"
DM: "..."
Player 1: "Heh, maybe the next place he will loot the dungeon walls too, what will they be made of? Dragonstone?"
- Location
- Brazil
It's simple: if he is running around the PoF, we can't easily tap him.
You are all effectively segregating him from the rest of our empire through this.
How can you guys not see this?
Him being around in Planetos means we can actually do stuff with him. We can acclimate him to how we do things.
If we kick him off at the first chance, he will never learn.
He wants to learn. He wants to adapt. We earn nothing from judging him from the get go as unfit.
You are all effectively segregating him from the rest of our empire through this.
How can you guys not see this?
Him being around in Planetos means we can actually do stuff with him. We can acclimate him to how we do things.
If we kick him off at the first chance, he will never learn.
He wants to learn. He wants to adapt. We earn nothing from judging him from the get go as unfit.
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- Germany
Let's assume that "gate type door" is roughly 2m x 3m. Times 7.62cm, we get a volume of 0.4572 m² and as Adamantine has the same density of steel a weight of 3.58902 tons or 7912.434682 pounds. At a market value of 300 GP per pounds, that's 2,373,730 GP, 4 SP and one bent copper.
So your weight is too low and "several millions" is overselling it a bit, as it's barely more then 2 million.
Also, this is a pretty accurate depiction of the chain of events that led us to looting the doors.
DP: "Let's make the doors out of fancy stuff. That's awesome."
Duesal: "CAW!"
Me: *math*
DP:
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- Germany
He can learn how we do stuff by doing stuff with him on the PoF.
What in the nine hells do you want to do with him on Planetos? You are so busy flinging shit at my plan that you never bothered to elaborate what yours actually entails, just that it's better for some reason.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
This!
We can keep him around for a few years, acclimatize him to being alive again, work together, get some actual use out of him, then after he has a few years of being useful under his belt we can find somewhere to put him in charge. If that's the PoF, at least it'll be after he's been part of our group for a while. Just sending him off now, or in a short period of time, is short-sighted and asking for trouble.
If the Efreeti are even half-trying, he'll be dead or captured inside a month. Or forced to flee back to Planetos.
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- Argentina
Give him access to an interplanar whispering brazier and an item of plane shift?
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- United States
To be fair, DP deliberately baited me with that.DP: "Let's make the doors out of fancy stuff. That's awesome."
Duesal: "CAW!"
Me: *math*
DP:
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- Germany
Again. How is he supposed to be useful on Planetos?
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
We definitely shouldn't send him to the Plane of Fire if he can't Plane Shift on his own, otherwise he's stranded when the Efreeti show up to gank or cage him.
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- Germany
I'm peachy with giving him some equipment before we send him off, Plane-Shift item and a Brazier included.
Well the way I see it, the problem is that sending him off to the plane of fire is inherently risky in that we have much less ability to control him or prevent him from just doing his thing given that at the start he is CE aligned. On the flip side. Having him on Planetos is potentially dangerous PR wise if he goes off the rails and we don't stop him on time.
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- Germany
We have no evidence of this and his behavior so far, baring the crotchety old man act, was pretty reasonable.
For some reason, my plan trusts him more then TNE, but I'm the Evil Dragon Hater...
ryuan
From Zero to Hero!
Can I get a quick summary of what each plan does?
Azel plan is basically "send him to PoF to conquer in our name, he might not get bored to rule people that live for centuries".
At least that's what I'm voting for.
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- florida
This amuses me greatly.DP: "Let's make the doors out of fancy stuff. That's awesome."
Duesal: "CAW!"
Me: *math*
DP:
As does this.
I think he can handle POF if we support him properly and stay interested.
@Azel are you willing to outfit him enough to at least give him a fighting chance? (Planeshift/brazier).
We should also... We need to tell him to get people.
He literally can't do this alone he needs... A party
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
We can have him serve as muscle for a major colonization push into Sothoryos. Plenty of Dinosaurs for him to eat down there, ancient ruins to loot, serpent people to bring into the fold, etc.
We can have him help train the Valyrian Dragons we'll be hatching soon. That'll serve as a potent reminder of how poorly his ancient counterparts fucked up.
He can visit Relath to learn how a Dragon can successfully lead a city without enslaving the populace. While he's there, they can see about putting more hurt on Slaver's Bay.
Etc.
What you want to do with him will need more than just some enchanted gear. He'll need significant support. Extraplanar mercenaries, perhaps? Maybe he wouldn't mind doing a short stint as an auxiliary crew member of the Golden Wind?
Or what about having him serve with the Shaitan for a while? They are actively fighting with the Efreeti where there respective Planes collide. He could be useful there, while also receiving the full support of the Shaitan forces. Except he's probably still Chaotic Evil, which means our allies will Hate him.
You're not even bothering to find out what his Alignment is, dude. Yeah, he might be Neutral or Lawful Evil, but he's most likely still Chaotic Evil. Gold Dragons turn Chaotic Evil more often than Red Dragons change their Alignments. We don't want a Chaotic Evil Red Dragon representing us on the Plane of Fire, which is predominantly Lawful Evil in Alignment. Remember how everyone out on the Planes react upon first encountering us? No Red Dragons around in centuries, if not longer, and the instinctive reaction is fear, and for good reason.
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- Germany
It's less "getting bored" and more "treating them as more then a passing nuisance", but otherwise that's accurate.
TNE is basically arguing that this is a reassignment to Antarctica, despite us being heavily involved with the PoF. We we would be seeing him more often then Theon and Asha at this rate. Instead he wants to... I have no idea. Something something Planetos something something useful.
Amrelath is undiplomatic and hilariously unstealthy, so I'm really drawing blanks where he is supposedly useful in our Planetosi affairs. We need to use him somewhere where his appearance somewhere isn't immediately causing panic among everyone and his frosty personality isn't making him automatically fail. What is he supposed to do? Tag along when we talk with Lady Phassen, his fear-aura still cranked up to full bore? Haggle with the Iron Bank for us? Infiltrate the Red Keep?