The desire for mystic martial arts schools for our army is a ever burning fire in my breast.
I feel for your dreams. But they are as empty as mine in the grand scheme of things

The Thread will keep posting and posting and its agenda will be crushed under the weight of updates.

There is hope for you. Richard is working on a book explaining the basics of some of his manoeuvers.

Mystic martial arts in D&D are pretty good! I really want Shadow Hand for our Inquisition, for example. I don't think the other schools are worth it for our actual army (the current build is great), but just having them should let us take feats like Martial Stance for our infantry.
 
WAIT WHAT BOOK!!!!?
I was just doing my time traveling reply to a post from way back when and play up my persona as the memetic God of Likes and Thread Lurking.
I did not expect you to reply and What Book?
I am not sure how to process what is going on
Did Richard learn Kung Fu
Why did he learn Martila Disciplines I think you are suggesting?
What, who, were and why:o:o:o:o
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Richard got manoeuvers through his PrC - so because of his great experience in fighting supernatural foes. Still, we have been sticking to the semirealistic martial ones for now. They're crazily good though!

How can you not have noticed? There were several updates in which he clearly and explicitly used them! Go check out that fight against the Fire Giant!
 
Richard got manoeuvers through his PrC - so because of his great experience in fighting supernatural foes. Still, we have been sticking to the semirealistic martial ones for now. They're crazily good though!

How can you not have noticed? There were several updates in which he clearly and explicitly used them! Go check out that fight against the Fire Giant!
Even the semi-realistic are nerfed, like Iron Heart without Iron Hear Surge, or Diamond Mind without Moment of Alacrity.
 
Even the semi-realistic are nerfed, like Iron Heart without Iron Hear Surge, or Diamond Mind without Moment of Alacrity.
Iron Heart Surge was nerfed because rules as written it can destroy the sun.
Moment of Alacrity was nerfed because DP hated initiative-changers, right?
Not because it was unrealistic.
 
Technically speaking, if you broke a shoulder that healed awkwardly up into little pieces, and then applied giant doses of positive energy to it, shouldn't that mend it? D&D healing spells are more focused on conceptual factors than medical particularities. As an example, the Regeneration supernatural ability isn't at all like Regenerate the spell. Word factors imply they might be the same, but Regeneration the ability does not allow you to regrow body parts, but it makes it less likely you will ever suffer a maiming injury that would require the body part regrown. Just as Regenerate the spell will replace a missing piece of your body that is no longer there, but a healing spell will just mend to perfection what exists.

The bones in your body are misaligned, filled with old fractures, you probably have some nerve damage? HEAL.

All fixed.

Missing hand? HEAL.

It ain't grown back.

Edit: Examining the text for Regeneration, it appears that body parts can be regrown... but in the next line goes on to note that bodyparts can be reattached and that parts severed "will wither and die". Point of confusion. Not sure if it would act exactly like Regenerate, then, but I think it wouldn't let you regrow a limb quite as miraculously as the spell, either.
 
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Edit: Examining the text for Regeneration, it appears that body parts can be regrown... but in the next line goes on to note that bodyparts can be reattached and that parts severed "will wither and die". Point of confusion. Not sure if it would act exactly like Regenerate, then, but I think it wouldn't let you regrow a limb quite as miraculously as the spell, either.
I guess that was added to stop troll army farming ...
 
Richard got manoeuvers through his PrC - so because of his great experience in fighting supernatural foes. Still, we have been sticking to the semirealistic martial ones for now. They're crazily good though!

How can you not have noticed? There were several updates in which he clearly and explicitly used them! Go check out that fight against the Fire Giant!
I know he used them but did not think they were anything he could teach to others. I also thought he only used the mechanics of them with no fluff backing it up as a in universe Martial Manoeuver.
What this means is we must gather Masters of every Martial Discipline and if we include homebrew that is a lot even filtering for quality to our banner.
 
Iron Heart Surge was nerfed because rules as written it can destroy the sun.
Moment of Alacrity was nerfed because DP hated initiative-changers, right?
Not because it was unrealistic.
Iron Heart could be reworked mostly because we already have a list of potential status effects that can be dispelled, and we have a few spells that act as initiative changers too so that's a moot point.
 
There is hope for you. Richard is working on a book explaining the basics of some of his manoeuvers.

Mystic martial arts in D&D are pretty good! I really want Shadow Hand for our Inquisition, for example. I don't think the other schools are worth it for our actual army (the current build is great), but just having them should let us take feats like Martial Stance for our infantry.
I would have the other Schools as elite agents and champions. Same with if we get Monks of the Broken Blade Discipline. Kung Fu power works best in single baddass fighters you use for commando operations.
 
and we have a few spells that act as initiative changers too so that's a moot point.
I think the specific issue is that DP doesn't like initiative boosters in general, but he especially dislikes ones that aren't explicitly magical/supernatural in nature, because he finds it difficult to fluff them in addition to not being fond of them mechanically. Since Richards maneuvers aren't supposed to actually be magic, no initiative boosters via maneuvers.
Perhaps an exception could be made for future martial adepts that have a more supernatural fluff.
 
Time travel, unsurprisingly. Is difficult to write. Also kind of crazy.

Wonder if a varakhut is going to help us kill the evil genie man. That would be nice.
 
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Btw, regarding the divination that revealing they Devils sacrificed a celestial for something.
There is one celestial unaccounted for in prime material... Wonder if they got the damn Cat?
Maybe these Devils are not so bad after all.
 
Game of Thrones: Bran said:
The karstarks came in on a cold windy morning, bringing three hundred horsemen and near two thousand foot from their castle at karhold. The steel points of their pikes winked in the pale sunlight as the column approached.

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Game of Thrones: Catelyn said:
Ser wylis and his brother ser wendel followed, leading their levies, near fifteen hundred men: some twenty odd knights and as many squires, two hundred mounted lances, swordsmen, and freeriders, and the rest foot armed with spears, pikes and tridents.

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Game of Thrones said:
Behind her came ser jared frey, ser hosteen frey, ser danwell frey, and lord walders basterd son ronald rivers, leading a long column of pikemen, rank on rank of shuffling men in blue steel ringmail and silver grey cloaks...

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Game of Thrones: Tyrion said:
His uncle would lead the center. Ser kevan had raised his standerds above the kingsroad. Quivers hanging from their belts, the foot archers arrayed themselves into three long lines to east and west of the road, and stood calmly stringing their bows. Between them pikemen formed squares, behind were rank on rank of men at arms with spear and sword and axe. Three hundred heavy horse surrounded ser kevan and the lords bannermen lefford, lydden and serrett with all their sworn retainers. The right wing was all cavalry, some four thousand men, heavy with the weight of their armor. More then three quarters of the knights were there massed together like a great steel fist. Ser adam Marbrand had the command. Tyrion saw his banner unfurl as his standerd bearer shook it out, a burning tree, arange and smoke. Behind him flew ser flements purple unicorn the brindled boar of crakehall the bantam rooster of swyft, and more. His lord father took place on the hill where he had slept. Around him the resrve assembled, a huge force half mounted and half foot, five thousand strong. Lord tywin almost always chose to command the reserve...
Were the right was a mailed fist of knights and heavy lances the vanguard was made up of the sweepings of the west: mounted archers in leather jerkins, a swarming mass of undisciplined freeriders and sellswords, fieldhands on plow horses armed with scythes and their fathers rusted swords half trained boys from the stews of lannisport, and tyrion and his mountain clanesman

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He had no time to think about it. The drums were so near that the beat crept under his skin and set his hands to twitching. Bronn drew his longsword, and suddenly the enemy was there before them, boiling over the tops of the hills, advancing with measured tread behind a wall of sheilds and pikes. Gods be damned, look at them all, tyrion thought, though he knew his father had more men on the field. Their captains led them on armored warhorses, standard bearers riding alongside with their banners. He glimpsed the bull moose of the hornwoods, the karstark sunburst, lord cerwyns battle axe, and the mailed fist of the glovers...and the twin towers of frey, blue on grey. So much for his fathers certainty lord walder would not bestir himself. The white of house stark was seen everywhere, the grey direwolves seeming to leap and run as the banners swirled and streamed from the high staffs. A warhorn blew. its voice long and low and chilling as a cold wind from the north. The lannister trumpets answered, brazen and defiant yet it seemed to tyrion they sounded smaller. As the horns died away, a hissing filled the air, a vast flight of arrows arched up from his right, where the archers stood flanking the road. The northerners broke into a run, shouting as they came, but the lannister arrows fell on them like a hail, hundreds of arrows, thousands, and shouts turned to screams as men stumbled and went down. By then a second flight was in the air, and the archers were fitting a third arrow to their bowstrings. Ser gregor waved his huge sword and bellowed a command, and a thousand other voices screamed back at him. Tyrion put his spurs to his horse and added one more voice to the cacophony, and the van surged forward."The river!" he shouted at his clansmen as they rode. "remeber, hew to the river." He was still leading when they broke a canter, untill chella gave a bloodcurdling shriek and galloped past him, shagga howled and followed. The clansmen charged after them, leaving tyrion in their dust. A crescent of enemy spearmen had formed ahead, a double hedgehog bristling with steel, waiting behind tall oaken sheilds marked with the sunburst of karstark. Gregor clegane was the first to reach them, leading a wedge of armored veterans. Half the horses shied at the last second, breaking their charge before the row of spears. The others died, sharp steel points ripping through their chests. Tyrion saw a dozen men go down. The mountains stallion reared, lashing out with iron shod hooves as a barbed spearhead raked across his neck. Madened, the beast lunged into the ranks. Spears thrust at him from every side, but the shield wall broke beneath his weight. The northernors stumbled away from the animals death throwes. As his horse fell, snorting blood and biting with his last red breath, the mountain rose untouched laying about him with his two handed greatsword. Shagga went bursting through the gap before the sheilds could close, other stone crows hard behind him. Tyrion shouted, "burned men! moon brothers! After me" but most of them were ahead of him. He glimpsed timmett son of timmet vault free as his mount died under him in full stride, saw amoon brother impaled on a karstark spear, watched connns horse shatter a mans ribs with a kick. A flight of arrows descended on them, were they came from he could not say, but they fell on stark and lannister alike, rattling off armor or finding flesh. Tyrion lifted his sheild and hid beneath it. The hedgehog was crumbling, the northernors reeling back under the impact of the mounted assault. Tyrion saw shagga catch a spearman full in the chest as the fool came on at a run, saw his axe shear through mail and leather and muscle and lungs. The man was dead on his feet, the axehead lodged in his chest, yet shagga rode on, cleaving a shield in two with his left hand battle axe while the corpse was bonellesly along on his right. By then the enemy was on him, and tyrions battle shrunk to the few feet of ground around his horse. A man at arms thrust at his chest and his axe lashed out knocking the spear aside. The man danced back for another try, but tyrion spured his horse and rode right over him...
His quarry met him sword in hand. He was tall and spare wearing a long chainmail hauberk and gauntlets of lobstered steel, but hed lost his helm and blood ran down into his eyes from a gash on his forehead. Tyrion aimed a swipe at his face but the man slammed it aside....
He saw ser kevan had bought up his center in support of the van, his huge mass of pikemen had pushed the northernors back against the hills. They were struggling on the slopes, pikes thrusting against another wall of sheilds, these oval and reinforced with iron studs. As he watched the air filled with arrows again, and the men behind the oak wall crumbled beneath the fire....
Tyrion watched his father fly past, the crimson and gold banner of lannister rippling over his head as he thundered across the field. Five hundred knights surrounded him, sunlight flashing off the points off their lances. The remnants of the stark lines shattered like glass beneath the hammer of their charge.

So, I was skimming through the Game Of Thrones. This is what I was able to quickly find.

Certainly not barely trained peasants with spears. but still no match for the legions. We just have to deal with the frankly ridiculous number of heavy cavalry.

The only portion of the army that can be called shitty was being used by Tywin as a bait for the northern forces.
 
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I think Monks could prove to be very useful Inquisition agents or even Inquisitors if they're high enough level.
Anything with a high enough level is useful. Except Monks. Monks are terrible. Unmodified monks have low skills, low combat power, and low versatility. The only use for a high-level Monk is Psychic Reformation into something that will genuinely be very useful to the Inquisition.
Like a Beguiler, a Rogue, a Wizard, a Cleric, an Archivist, an Expert...
 
Anything with a high enough level is useful. Except Monks. Monks are terrible. Unmodified monks have low skills, low combat power, and low versatility. The only use for a high-level Monk is Psychic Reformation into something that will genuinely be very useful to the Inquisition.
Like a Beguiler, a Rogue, a Wizard, a Cleric, an Archivist, an Expert...
A Swordsage...
 
So, I was skimming through the Game Of Thrones. This is what I was able to quickly find.

Certainly not barely trained peasants with spears. but still no match for the legions. We just have to deal with the frankly ridiculous number of heavy cavalry.

The only portion of the army that can be called shitty was being used by Tywin as a bait for the northern forces.

I've noted this in the past, but the troops featured here in Game of Thrones that you just quoted repeatedly are the best following right behind the nobility, their retinue basically, their men at arms, the ones actually being paid under ordinary circumstances. People like Catelyn barely pay any attention to Knights and Lords beyond what effect they might have on her children's fates, and she only pays attention to the most well-equipped and clean/orderly looking mounted and dismounted troops that follow their lords. The peasant levies (who I will concede are probably improbably better equipped than their real life counterparts, in so far as they might actually have spears rather than a hoe or a rake or if they are lucky a pitchfork) are certainly not afforded even the ring mail the Freys were handing out left and right simply because they could afford it.

Similarly Tyrion is Tywin Lannister's son, and he was placed in the Van. This is also where you will likely find, with Kevan, all of the men who are barely noteworthy in their eyes who aren't mounted knights and men at arms with Tywin in the reserves.

And none of them are explicitly drilled for unit fighting until they are called for muster, and the "professionals" are explicitly trained with personal combat as a focus, because that is literally what warfare amounts to in Westeros, two asshats in shiny plate charging at each other, hosts sustain 5% casualties a piece in the actual fighting, and attrite to death in the days leading up, and the days after, each battle, because their logistics are shit and they have to "forage" on the nearby villages, killing more people inefficiently and ruthlessly. This happened in RL too, because medieval times.

Even the Free Companies in Essos are better organized by virtue of at least having to deal with the logistical issues that arise from having to navigate through lands, which stretch very far, without actively antagonizing the locals enough that they might get other mercenaries sent after their asses, or alienate just about everyone like the Second Sons to the point where their choices are being driven into the waiting arms of the Dothraki or working for Ghiscari.

The only military in ASoIaF worthy of an inkling of respect are the Golden Company for actually trying to hash together a basic doctrine, and New Ghis, who at least seem to be giving institutional service the ole college try.
 
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If youve got a bit of time...



Future inquisition agents (somewhat? A bit too strong honestly...)

Based on monks. Naturally.

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Actually this made me remember. @Azel This story made me remember something you said, about walls. high level npcs. Ect.

In the TDDC universe death fins Unon and Du are level 20+ epic npc fighters. They are also explicitly compared to nuclear weapons (and accompanied 24/7 by teleport capable wizards) by the DM multiple times.

And for good reason. Even one of them could probably destroy the human capital city in the span of a day.
 
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