We're obviously not going to leave her there, but for a first impression of the Plane of Balance.

Oh, no, first memory will be SD with the friendly killing machines running about and a kindly god that she helped, so she can associate the wonder of pob with our seat :).

@Tomcost, no asking how old she thinks we are? For shame!.

[X] Bloodwish a Mage's Private Sanctum over this whole conversation
-[X] I'm Viserys, head of House Targaryen, a King in the Plane of Balance, various other titles, but those just accumulate over time and generally aren't relevant.
-[X] I've noticed you've stopped using "Ancient One" Tell me, how old do you think I am? (Be unsurprised that she guesses it. Now she has adapted to our... context, she's proving very impressive. Keep Xor as a trump card though)
-[X] And, while this spreading would overwhelm me in requests, if you have friends you wish saved from Dis, tell them to get into the service of the Lord of the Third if reasonable. I and my friends won a bargain against it to permanently recruit his minions and allow them to escape fom Baator.
-[X] Oh, and one more thing. Slavery in my realm has the conseqence of death. Bring no slaves, no sophont minds bound as such (i.e. bound elementals with an int greater than 2) to my realm, unless it is with the sincere intention of freeing them while there. Because they will not be left to languish in bondage.

@DragonParadox has Siduri broken any conceptual hold the lower realms had on her soul from the circumstances of her parentage/birth like our erinies have done?
 
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[X] BeepSmile

We need an epic rap battle with Mammon some day. Dispater is an asshole too, but he is too much of a chicken to stand up to us in anything that is not his full Devil army behind him.
 
Mhm. I suppose we can tell her. But let's remember to be cautious in our future dealing with her. Hell does not make particularly trustworthy individuals.
 
What zombie drake?
Can't remember fighting any undead dragon-like creatures right now?

Ah sorry, was referencing the purple fey drake from waaayyy back in Bravos. I thought it was vaguely zombie like too? But in general was referencing the fact that for most Westerosi DRAGONS, or anything shaped like one big enough to carry a person, tend to be considered the be all end all of military, magical, etc might.
 
Ah sorry, was referencing the purple fey drake from waaayyy back in Bravos. I thought it was vaguely zombie like too? But in general was referencing the fact that for most Westerosi DRAGONS, or anything shaped like one big enough to carry a person, tend to be considered the be all end all of military, magical, etc might.
Nah, it wasn't a zombie, it was just touched by the Abyss.

I hope the Lower Planes throw more draconic creatures at us at some point. We can never have too many dragon corpses to work with.
 
I feel greatly insulted by this slight against my character.

What bit was the slight? :p

@thread Also, she asked for our name, as a sign of trust. PoB is worth way more than our name imo.

But, we only gave that path to Siduri to allow Zethir to fullfil whatever debts are owed to her, and the situation was too delicate to negotiate a fair price for information and a path.

My point is... If we were not forced by circumstances to trust her with PoB, I'd have charged a fortune for the information and a path.

@DragonParadox Have any party members, in any of their lore, or any contacts we hired from the planes to teach in the Scholarium ever come across the Archivist class in their memories or studies or tales before?

Same question regarding Mystic
Obviously, a mages paradime is dropped from many tales (irrelevant to story/repeated so often details like that are lost), so I think I'm asking for records by dry academic types. Or what about planar metropolis that has a mage guild/historical group that would have such records?
 
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Nah, it wasn't a zombie, it was just touched by the Abyss.
No, that was the Calprina and maybe Glowdude too, but the Drake was just a Fey-Touched Fire Drake.

Unrelated to that, her tale throws up a pretty disturbing question.

Why are there no Valyrians in these planes we have met so far?
Escape was clearly possible, even if her grandma chose the worst possible refuge, but why didn't any Archmages just Planeshift and started building their own kingdoms or freeholds all around?
Let's be honest, it's something Viserys could do in a year if the Material were destroyed right now.

@DragonParadox Do we have any IC thoughts on the matter why so few Valyrians seem to have dodged the Doom to greener (or redder, whatever) shores on other Planes.
Or, if they did so, why we haven't heard of any Valyrian outpost, after all the genie likely would have drawn the connection between us and other dragonblooded, silver-haired, purple-eyed sorcerers if any where around.
 
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[X] "My apologies, Wisdom Siduri. I had no intention of forcing you to relive unpleasant memories. Since the realignment of the Planes once more made it possible to venture beyond the borders of the Realm of Balance, we have learned to be wary, for there are precious few who would not seek to exploit the secrets we hold close."
-[X] "I am Viserys Targaryen, Lord of Sorcerer's Deep and King in the Stepstones."
--[X] "Would you be willing to share one more secret and honor us with your family's name?"
 
Having someone with Mindblank involved at all muddles divination.

They can raise 30k easy tho?

Hello old quote! Must have quoted this for a reason... hmm...

Ah! Right. There's no way Dorne is fielding a 30k army. They are the least popolous of the kingdoms, and in Robert's Rebellion they fielded a whopping 10k when they had direct family members on the line.

You could make an argument that Doran was less than enthuthiastic with having to fight a war because he was essentially in a hostage situation... being generous I'd peg Dorne's army at the 15k range in that case. I suppose he could hit 20k at the most but he'd be scrapping the bottom of the barrel and damaging his economy for the next 10-20 years.

I have the great luck to always end up with the most useless character in the campaign.

If I'm focused on fighting, the campaign will turn entirely social and lore focussed.
If I'm a caster, we are doing 10+ engagements a day and I'm useless because I don't have any backup combat ability worth a damn.
If I'm playing a social character, it's a murderfest.
If I'm playing a sneaky character, it's a "go through the front door and shoot everyone" murderfest.
If I'm playing a low-power character, I've got half the dice / bonuses / stats of everyone else.
If I'm playing something optimised, everyone complains about my evil munchkinry.

And if nothing of that applies, the group dies after three evenings as the DM no longer has time.

That's roughly the last 10 years of me playing any kind of PnP. The only things that work out mostly fine are those that I DM myself.

Damn, that is terrible luck. [hugs] Poor you.
To be fair though, after reading your quests (don't spoil, my archive binge started this morning!) and what you've been posting in this thread, I absolutely would play in a campaign you DMed. You can think and write! Maybe holding everyone up to your standards is a little harsh?


I own dozens of 4e books. Bought them in bulk on ebay a few months after 4e came out, thinking "wow, what a great price!"
Worst money ever spent. I have NEVER managed to finish an actual campaign. A few short adventures, yeah. But that's it!
Just reading the .pdfs wasn't really enough for me to realize exactly how annoying the game would be to play. So loooong... and headdesk-inducing!
:cry::cry::cry:

Even worse - I regularly get more as gifts from well-meaning non-playing friends. Pretending to love their gifts when they're that useless...
:/

After a brief stint of a Starfinder campaign that broke the camel's back (it was bad), I decided I'm through with GMing Vancian RPG's. I'm starting to regard the whole lot of them as obsolete relics of a bygone era, where PC RPG's didnt exist and you had to do everything like a human computer.

Nowadays the true essence that makes pen and paper RPG's unique is the creative exhiliration of creating whole worlds right before your eyes, stories that look like veritable hollywood billion budget productions when you remember them. Works of pure individual expression that build into each other between GM and PC's cooperatively, making one laugh, cry, and have a good time.

People discovered that you didnt need hellishly complicated systems to achieve this; the only truly unique characteristic of Table-top RPG's that couldnt be recreated with another medium. If you want to hack and slash, or love hellishly complicated magic systems and dungeons that feel like puzzles, there's a billion excellent PC and Console RPG out there to play until the end of time, without the need to memorize a 300 page textbook.

That's why most modern pen and paper RPG's are, for the most part, moving away from the complex systems of the past and simplifying everything. I'm currently GMing a FATE Core campaign based on a universe I'm building a novel out of, and the amount of excitement and joy compared to something like Starfinder -basically a scifi reskin of Pathfinder, for those who dont know- has been orders of magnitide apart. Just the other day one of my players commented on how much of a good time he'd had that session, and he was playing a character that was far away indeed from either magic or brawns, a sort of cinematic Sherlock Holmes type.

A third of the session had been battling a huge tentacled monstrocity.

Now, if it had been a standard DnD campaign, my friend's thematically awesome character would have been a level what-have-you Expert. He would have lasted less than 1 round against the house sized lovecraftian horror...

It was not dnd though. Crucially, the system is narratively driven, instead of mechanics driven. Thus, his character was in principle just as OP as a martial artist or an archmage or a knight or what have you (I'm simplifying a lot but this is the core of it). Thus, the themes and character concepts of all players shine equally, making them all more invested and even influencing the world building.

Now, some might say this is blatantly 'unrealistic' or 'takes out all that makes a PnP RPG an RPG... but itsn't that just what traditional systems have sought to achieve since the 70's? WBL, CR, Class Levels, XP, Loot lists, Feat lists, Spells per day per hour per race per class per subclass... all a dance of balancing and regulating so the PC's dont get wrecked by the equally complicated npc's and monster manuals. All things a computer does nowadays with no problem at all and 1000x the efficiency.

Modern PnP RPG's just cut the middleman and reduced the media to its core: Telling stories worth remembering.
 
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@DragonParadox Have any party members, in any of their lore, or any contacts we hired from the planes to teach in the Scholarium ever come across the Archivist class in their memories or studies or tales before?

It's actually quite hard to tell. The line between archivist and concept cleric can be very blurry. In any case if archivists exist outside of Lya's work they must be very rare.
 
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Tally is weird, @Goldfish did you change it so Waymar got that additional +1 to alchemy? It shows as +1 on weird!tally, not +2.
I only added the one point in for him. Didn't realize you wanted it to be two.
You know we really should get to making a Alchemy manufacture and trading company for Waymar. The market should be pretty good for it right?
We have actually started producing large quantities of Alchemical items over the last few months, though we haven't started to monetize it yet. Beyond the weapons we keep for ourselves, we are creating excellent insect repellent, functional hangover cures, and truly massive quantities of contraceptives.

@DragonParadox If I come up with the sale price for that stuff, can we just automatically assume it sells each month and get the profit from it?
 
I only added the one point in for him. Didn't realize you wanted it to be two.

We have actually started producing large quantities of Alchemical items over the last few months, though we haven't started to monetize it yet. Beyond the weapons we keep for ourselves, we are creating excellent insect repellent, functional hangover cures, and truly massive quantities of contraceptives.

@DragonParadox If I come up with the sale price for that stuff, can we just automatically assume it sells each month and get the profit from it?
I know that, I just wanted a dedicated company with our prime Alchemist Waymar getting a share. We haven't been making any new companies recently.
 
@DragonParadox If I come up with the sale price for that stuff, can we just automatically assume it sells each month and get the profit from it?

Generally yes,the market is far indeed from saturation on such concoctions.

Edit: Nevermind too few votes.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 11, 2018 at 1:09 PM, finished with 53 posts and 7 votes.

  • [X] Bloodwish a Mage's Private Sanctum over this whole conversation
    -[X] I'm Viserys, head of House Targaryen, a King in the Plane of Balance, various other titles, but those just accumulate over time and generally aren't relevant.
    -[X] I've noticed you've stopped using "Ancient One" Tell me, how old do you think I am? (Be unsurprised that she guesses it. Now she has adapted to our... context, she's proving very impressive. Keep Xor as a trump card though)
    -[X] And, while this spreading would overwhelm me in requests, if you have friends you wish saved from Dis, tell them to get into the service of the Lord of the Third if reasonable. I and my friends won a bargain against it to permanently recruit his minions and allow them to escape fom Baator.
    -[X] Oh, and one more thing. Slavery in my realm has the conseqence of death. Bring no slaves, no sophont minds bound as such (i.e. bound elementals with an int greater than 2) to my realm, unless it is with the sincere intention of freeing them while there. Because they will not be left to languish in bondage.
    [X] "My apologies, Wisdom Siduri. I had no intention of forcing you to relive unpleasant memories. Since the realignment of the Planes once more made it possible to venture beyond the borders of the Realm of Balance, we have learned to be wary, for there are precious few who would not seek to exploit the secrets we hold close."
    -[X] "I am Viserys Targaryen, Lord of Sorcerer's Deep and King in the Stepstones."
    --[X] "Would you be willing to share one more secret and honor us with your family's name?"
    [X] "I'm Viserys Targaryen, heir to the the last living ancient noble house of the Valyrian Freehold before it's Doom, and king of a mortal realm within the Plane of Balance."
    -[x] "This is my younger sister, my sworn sword, and treasured friends and allies."
    -[x] "Despite the terrible events that had us meet this way it is nice to meet you... cousin."
 
@Golsfish he already had +1 in the plan. I just wanted to get him to his cap (so another +1 needed)

More importantly, @thread can we please, please raise vee's heal to her cap for those juicy graft successes?
 
I know that, I just wanted a dedicated company with our prime Alchemist Waymar getting a share. We haven't been making any new companies recently.
Unfortunately, Waymar can't even begin to produce a fraction of what the Mercy/Valeria team up is doing by spamming multiple Unseen Crafter spells each day. At best, he can be used for research purposes.

I'll write up something for the Alchemy-based company this evening.
 
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