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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 9, 2018 at 5:13 AM, finished with 190 posts and 32 votes.
  • [X] "Are we not all more than we appear to be at first glance, Wisdom?"
    -[X] As we answer, gradually return to human form, timing it so that we become fully human just as we finish speaking.
    --[X] "Of course, there is a story to be told, one that is all the more fantastical for being the unvarnished truth. That tale won't be told quite yet, however, as I find myself...curious. What is it that you truly seek, that you would pit yourselves against foes such as these, when the Efreeti ships plying the Boiling Sea make such easy targets of themselves?"
    [X] Plan Cast A Hook
    -[X] "Should not all strive to be more then they are?"
    -[X] "You have seen my shape and assumed to know who I am, just a greedy, preening dragon. But know that I am more then scales and flame."
    -[X] Transform into your human shape.
    -[X] "Though I am afraid that I do not gift all my secrets to just anyone."
    [X] "A bold question, but of course, we are all more than we appear dont you agree?"
    -[X] "In any case, when asking for someone's secrets, its always polite yo offer your own, perhaps you can now tell me why we are really here? What do you want with this prisoner, and why would a group of pirates risk bringing a red dragon of all things to their prize?"
    -[X] "But to answer your question, does the name "Valyria" mean anything to you?"
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Both options are very similar honestly with the main difference being Goldfish has more specified to do after transforming back, though I prefer Azels reveal

[X] Plan Cast A Hook

@Azel any chance you could add asking for the purpose of this attack to your plan or do you want to save that for later for some reason I'm missing?
 
Sarasin said:
Both options are very similar honestly with the main difference being Goldfish has more specified to do after transforming back, though I prefer Azels reveal

[X] Plan Cast A Hook

@Azel any chance you could add asking for the purpose of this attack to your plan or do you want to save that for later for some reason I'm missing?
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He's trying to be subtle. He said as much. He wants to coax a response out instead of asking point blank and having her on guard.

He complained because the art of manipulation was lost on a lot of people. To be fair he's not wrong, it's not like you'll ever catch Goldfish declaring he's a proponent of diplomatic response. His idea of a social vote is usually to bluntly ask a question, thinking the person being questioned will appreciate the directness.

His current vote actually has surprising nuance... which is saying something.
 
Crake said:
I think Goldfish doesn't even check Lya's page when he does level-ups.

A few things I've noticed. 1) He, and some others, since I know not everyone checks the front page these days, thinks that she has maxed Spellcraft, Arcana, Planes and Religion.

Not the case. In fact for some reason Religion is 1 point higher than should be possible for her current HD. Which means one point needs to go somewhere else, since I noticed Planes is 1 point behind for some reason

Edit: As to the new knowledge skills, that's what we voted for. Because again, it was decided to diversify her knowledge base a bit now that she had some spare points and had maxed the central 'wizard' skills. Only that, y'know, we apparently hadn't, because the sheet is wonky. Many sheets are wonky still.

They need to be audited.

Edit Dos: Also, max ranks in a skill for Lya at this level is 18, not 19. She's level 15, not level 16.
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Actually, I pay very close attention to everyone's character sheet when I write level up plans. The points allotted to Lya's Spellcraft, Concentration, Arcana, and Religion skills should have all been enough to max those skills. More often than not, it's TNE or me who point out errors in character sheets. More help would be welcome.

@DragonParadox Lya should have +18 Spellcraft, not +17, and 18 Knowledge(Religion), not +19. Her Knowledge(The Planes) should be +18, too.
BeepSmile said:
Wait, why does Lya have

Knowledge (Architecture & Engineering): 2 +6 (INT) + = 8
Knowledge (Mathematics): 2 +6 (INT) + = 8

rather than putting one of each of those bringing up concentration to 19 and arcana to 19? or adding both to spellcraft?
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I didn't want to put any points into those skills at all, but people were complaining about Lya needing new knowledge skills, those in particular, and then they complained when I only out one point into each of them. It is too early for me to remember for sure, and trying to find stuff with my Kindle is a pain, but I think you might have been one of those people?

I wanted to start putting points into Craft(Alchemy). With her various skill bonuses and buff spells, she would have been able to easily contribute to our Unseen Crafter-based Alchemical mass production.
 
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@Goldfish Next level she gets +1 Attribute points, so 20 Intelligence. So you could probably max out Craft (Alchemy) then, if you wanted to. Though I think some people specifically argued against it because we already had an alchemy expert and a poison expert.

And Lya's sheet, among others, have been inaccurate in some respects since long before the last level up. For example she'd always had a point in Religion more than should be possible for several of them.

Also as much as I talk about poring over those, what's mainly frustrated me about the whole "more are welcome to help" comment is the times I have tried to help have only slightly alleviated the issue.

I would also like to apologize if I came across as snippy, I think this lack of sleep is doing something to me. I would note for example that the only accurate bit of book keeping we have comes from the google documents you maintain.
 
Crake said:
@Goldfish Next level she gets +1 Attribute points, so 20 Intelligence. So you could probably max out Craft (Alchemy) then, if you wanted to. Though I think some people specifically argued against it because we already had an alchemy expert and a poison expert.

And Lya's sheet, among others, have been inaccurate in some respects since long before the last level up. For example she'd always had a point in Religion more than should be possible for several of them.

Also as much as I talk about poring over those, what's mainly frustrated me about the whole "more are welcome to help" comment is the times I have tried to help have only slightly alleviated the issue.

I would also like to apologize if I came across as snippy, I think this lack of sleep is doing something to me. I would note for example that the only accurate bit of book keeping we have comes from the google documents you maintain.
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Sometimes the thread moves so fast that it's better to PM DP if you want to let him know about any errors or changes that need to be made. It also helps to tag @Duesal on those posts, since he helps maintain the sheets.

I'm pretty sure @Azel's spreadsheets are accurate, too, but I don't like me nose into the financial side of things. Too many numbers!
 
I didn't include @Azel because I still feel guilty about nudging him on projects. At this point if it doesn't have to do with his infrastructure threadmark or finance, I leave him out of it.
 
BTW, now that Lya's level up has been implemented, she is even more of a WMD (Woman of Mass Destruction).

Even unbuffed, her Control Winds spell is large and strong enough to generate tornado strength winds capable of scouring all but the most resilient structures from the face of the earth.I

She's great. :drevil:

@DragonParadox Lya should have a +1 caster level bonus to fire spells now that she knows Fiery Burst.
 
Forget Alchemy. Lya really should have Sense Motive maxed if possible. Decent social defences would do her good (and stack with Divine Insight).
 
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Adhoc vote count started by egoo on Sep 9, 2018 at 7:33 AM, finished with 210 posts and 35 votes.
  • [X] "Are we not all more than we appear to be at first glance, Wisdom?"
    -[X] As we answer, gradually return to human form, timing it so that we become fully human just as we finish speaking.
    --[X] "Of course, there is a story to be told, one that is all the more fantastical for being the unvarnished truth. That tale won't be told quite yet, however, as I find myself...curious. What is it that you truly seek, that you would pit yourselves against foes such as these, when the Efreeti ships plying the Boiling Sea make such easy targets of themselves?"
    [X] Plan Cast A Hook
    -[X] "Should not all strive to be more then they are?"
    -[X] "You have seen my shape and assumed to know who I am, just a greedy, preening dragon. But know that I am more then scales and flame."
    -[X] Transform into your human shape.
    -[X] "Though I am afraid that I do not gift all my secrets to just anyone."
    [X] "A bold question, but of course, we are all more than we appear dont you agree?"
    -[X] "In any case, when asking for someone's secrets, its always polite yo offer your own, perhaps you can now tell me why we are really here? What do you want with this prisoner, and why would a group of pirates risk bringing a red dragon of all things to their prize?"
    -[X] "But to answer your question, does the name "Valyria" mean anything to you?"
    [X] Plan Cast A Hook
    -[X] "Should not all strive to be more then they are?"
    -[X] "You have seen my shape and assumed to know who I am, just a greedy, preening lizard. But know that I am more then scales and flame."
    -[X] Transform into your human shape.
    -[X] "Though I am afraid that I do not gift all my secrets to just anyone."
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