For the love of god somebody loot that god! Volantis does not deserve her.

We need to poach at least one high ranked priest and a couple of acolytes, bring them to SD and build them a huge ass temple bigger than the one in Volantis. We can pick the most acceptable candidates for that, as there's bound to be a couple of good ones here and there (not Good though).

Then, when the huge temple is ready and the priests are churning out acolytes, we can put in the finisher with a divine avatar we'll have to loot somewhere, she would have little choice but to stay in SD then, as long as we did good prep work.
 
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But Pathfinder has explicitly noted that you can make your Demiplanes permanent.

Pretty sure that makes it a GM decision, which version is prefered.

I personally think Pathfinder is much more reasonable, not costing thousands of XP and weeks of casting time for even a small Demiplane.
I mean, Zherys had one like two years ago.
I also prefer being allowed to make demiplanes permanent. It's just more fun and opens up a lot more options for us.

That said, with Zherys, he probably just found a relic from the Freehold. There's no way in hell he had someone able to make a demiplane back then.
 
I also prefer being allowed to make demiplanes permanent. It's just more fun and opens up a lot more options for us.

That said, with Zherys, he probably just found a relic from the Freehold. There's no way in hell he had someone able to make a demiplane back then.
Propably.
But if he found an ancient artifact capable of casting level 9 spells with high XP cost, then using it for garden parties is just sad.

An item with Lesser Demiplane would be far less over the top than an item of Genesis.

Seriously, that would have been terrible for the poor man, to get something of incredible power and then be only able to use it for that.
Like if we got the Wish Gem from Tiamat and then could only use it to mix the perfect party cocktail.
 
Propably.
But if he found an ancient artifact capable of casting level 9 spells with high XP cost, then using it for garden parties is just sad.

An item with Lesser Demiplane would be far less over the top than an item of Genesis.

Seriously, that would have been terrible for the poor man, to get something of incredible power and then be only able to use it for that.
Like if we got the Wish Gem from Tiamat and then could only use it to mix the perfect party cocktail.
It's less stupid than you're making it out to be. Zherys is well-versed in Volantine politics, and that demiplane would have been the perfect tool to enamor the Old Blood and strengthen the prestige of the Mysterium. Reputation is a coin dearly earned, and it seems to have done rather well for Zherys.
 
People... We also have a demiplane and have had it for years.
We're talking about more demiplanes.

But on the subject of the Shadow Tower, at some point in the epic levels I'd like to conduct a ritual to make time pass more swiftly in that demiplane. Maybe 1.5 times or 2 times as fast as time in Prime Material. That would be a massive boon for the Scholarum and for any research we want to do.
 
It's less stupid than you're making it out to be. Zherys is well-versed in Volantine politics, and that demiplane would have been the perfect tool to enamor the Old Blood and strengthen the prestige of the Mysterium. Reputation is a coin dearly earned, and it seems to have done rather well for Zherys.
These people would not appreciate the difference between a Lesser Demiplane, a Genesis or a shaped bit of Limbo.
 
The Volantene demiplane has probably existed in that "location" for centuries, since well before the Doom. More likely than not, the entrance merely ceased functioning once magic stopped working on Planetos. Once the level of magic reached a certain level, however, the portal entrance became functional once more.
 
And the point of the Shadow Tower is that it was effectively made through Epic magic.

If permanencied demiplanes were that cheap and easy, it changes the very lore of the setting, as essentially everyone of remotely import could afford one.
 
We're talking about more demiplanes.

But on the subject of the Shadow Tower, at some point in the epic levels I'd like to conduct a ritual to make time pass more swiftly in that demiplane. Maybe 1.5 times or 2 times as fast as time in Prime Material. That would be a massive boon for the Scholarum and for any research we want to do.
One that is limited in ways one we create through other means would not be. We could Plane Shift to our new demiplane, for example.

My point was that if we got one, Zherys could have too. Maybe he killed a thousand slaves. Maybe he found it like the Dornish found their thing. Maybe it was the results of an item, or a souped-up ritual version of Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion.
 
And the point of the Shadow Tower is that it was effectively made through Epic magic.

If permanencied demiplanes were that cheap and easy, it changes the very lore of the setting, as essentially everyone of remotely import could afford one.

The Shadow Tower is far superior to anything we can create even using the 9th level Create Greater Demiplane spell. The tower plinth is mobile and can actually be Teleported or Plane Shifted. That is incredible. It can also be entered and exited without using a spell with a minimum of 5th level, while not suffering from the issue of having an actual door that we would need to defend.

The most Create Greater Demiplane can do in that vein is create a permanent portal in a fixed location.

The Shadow Tower's demiplane is special in that it cannot be accessed in any manner other than the plinth.

They really are just two entirely different things, apples and oranges basically.
 
Part MMCLXXXII: Too Grand a Play
Too Grand a Play

Fifth Day of the Fourth Month 293 AC

Benerro is startled to be contacted by a call born of purest sorcery, but once the surprise wears off he is accommodating of both your presence and your ruse, though he does seem saddened that you would not be able to appreciate the temple as a visitor unburdened by secrets might. Late afternoon he says would be the best time to arrive thus as that is the time he walks among the faithful to hear their thoughts. Picking out one or more among them to speak in private would be uncommon, but certainly not enough to raise suspicions.

In the meantime there is another conversation you need to have before the seeds of bitterness you briefly glimpsed yesterday have a chance to bloom. You knock politely on the inn door, awaiting a reply.

"It's open," Teana calls from the other side.

You step through the room and out onto the narrow balcony that rings around the entire second story of the inn, finding her looking out over the bustling streets of the city and from the looks of things fattening up the local pigeons with the remains of an unfortunate meat pie she had pocketed from lunch. Reading the faint surprise on your expression as you join her she shrugs: "Common thieves or other scoundrels are unlikely to haunt such a place as this, and foes who might have some notion who is behind the door is unlikely to care one whit for mere iron locks barring the way."

You tilt your head slightly, looking at her. "How do you find Volantis?"

"The same," she makes a brief attempt at nonchalance that collapses with a sigh. "Willfully so. Things do not change here unless it's the fashion for hats, and even that is probably some haberdasher's interpretation of ancient carvings."

"You do not think Zherys desires true change, then?" you ask, cutting as close to the heart of the matter without risking a possibility unwanted question about her state of mind.

"He despises change unless it should be turning back the sands of time, all the Old Blood do," Teana replies, old anger coloring her voice. "If the High Speaker is different from them it is in understanding that this time they have to change the full costumes in the play, not just the color of their cloaks."

"History has a habit of going only one way no matter how many times one looks back," you reply, a cold comfort yes, but also nothing less than the truth. "Perhaps one day the Old Blood of Volantis will be left with nothing save the costumes..."

"They have magic flowing through their veins, soon they will have dragons as they did of old. Perhaps they will never again dare claim utter dominion over those who share that heritage and once...." she hesitates a long moment, but whatever she sees on your face emboldens her to speak on. "Once that would have been enough for me, but then I walked away and into the wide world and it does not feel thus anymore." She shakes her head. "Do not concern yourself over it, Your Grace. You've trouble enough managing all that you must do without worrying over my feeling ill-at-ease to be back here."

What do you reply?

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OOC: I was originally going to have the Teana discussion after your business in Volantis was concluded, but you guys voted for it here and thinking about it, that is more IC for Viserys, both in terms of being as proactive as possible as a king and trying to help out someone in the midst of emotional turmoil.
 
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@DragonParadox, on an unrelated note, in the epic levels after the Shadow Tower is expanded and the tower itself is fully repaired and refurbished and all the wards are studied and repaired in accordance with a mobile demiplane rather than the stationary conjurer's tower they were designed for, would you let us design a permanent epic-level ritual to make the Shadow Tower's flow of time faster than Prime Materials? This would be in the pursuit of aiding the Scholarum and accelerating all research within the Shadow Tower.
 
@DragonParadox, on an unrelated note, in the epic levels after the Shadow Tower is expanded and the tower itself is fully repaired and refurbished and all the wards are studied and repaired in accordance with a mobile demiplane rather than the stationary conjurer's tower they were designed for, would you let us design a permanent epic-level ritual to make the Shadow Tower's flow of time faster than Prime Materials? This would be in the pursuit of aiding the Scholarum and accelerating all research within the Shadow Tower.

Yes, that works.
 
@DragonParadox, on an unrelated note, in the epic levels after the Shadow Tower is expanded and the tower itself is fully repaired and refurbished and all the wards are studied and repaired in accordance with a mobile demiplane rather than the stationary conjurer's tower they were designed for, would you let us design a permanent epic-level ritual to make the Shadow Tower's flow of time faster than Prime Materials? This would be in the pursuit of aiding the Scholarum and accelerating all research within the Shadow Tower.

I don't like that idea too much. It would negatively impact the instructors.

We can create a special Hyperbolic Time Chamber demiplane using Create Greater Demiplane much later on.
 
The Shadow Tower is far superior to anything we can create even using the 9th level Create Greater Demiplane spell. The tower plinth is mobile and can actually be Teleported or Plane Shifted. That is incredible. It can also be entered and exited without using a spell with a minimum of 5th level, while not suffering from the issue of having an actual door that we would need to defend.

The most Create Greater Demiplane can do in that vein is create a permanent portal in a fixed location.

The Shadow Tower's demiplane is special in that it cannot be accessed in any manner other than the plinth.

They really are just two entirely different things, apples and oranges basically.
This. The Shadow Tower is perfectly warded against intrusion and has the hands down most convenient Gate possible as an entrance. We also didn't make a new plane there, we looted a piece of reality and made a giant Bag of Holding around it.

We accomplished with a snap of our fingers what should have taken a lvl 18 caster weeks to make, then gold-plated it for bragging purposes.
 
"They have magic flowing through their veins, soon they will have dragons as they did of old. Perhaps they will never again dare claim utter dominion over those who share that heritage and once...." she hesitates a long moment, but whatever she sees on your face emboldens her to speak on. "Once that would have been enough for me, but then I walked away and into the wide world and it does not feel thus anymore." She shakes her head. "Do not concern yourself over it, Your Grace. You've trouble enough managing all that you must do without worrying over my feeling ill-at-ease to be back here."
Just to get that right, she is unhappy at the idea of anything, or anyone, ruled by Volantine old blood?
 
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It's more nuanced than that. She is unhappy that Volantis will not change substantively, that Zherys will win (something she once actively worked towards that now tastes like ashes in her mouth)
Those issues should be addressed seperatly.

It is entirely possible that Zherys wins on a personal scale.
It is highly unlikely that Volantis will resemble its current self in a few generations.
 
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