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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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tarrangar said:
If anything it would calm them down, they know how to deal with the back and forth in the Disputed lands, the fact that we play that game instead of attacking them out of nowhere, would make us a known threat, the Disputed lands has been fought over and changed hands for centuries, it wont scare them that we get in on the game now that we rule Tyrosh.
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No? There's playing the game, and then there's Viserys Targaryen who not only took a minor city but took a Free City playing the game. This is cause for panic, hands down. It's outright signalling to Myr—"you're next."
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But is that a bad thing? I know the thread doesnt like having allies (i believe the draconic Word for Ally means "not servant i am planning to murder later"), but negotiating with Zhaerys to "back Up" Myr right until we are ready to take them in exchange for a portion of the disputed lands sound reasonable.
With our improved agricultural techniques we wont need as much land, and we plan to incorporate Volantis later anyway.
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No. Screw Zherys, he is not getting a single one of the Three Daughters. And he's not an ally. Merely having a ceasefire with him doesn't make him an ally.
 
@Azel Please send Lya with Viserys.

She is a slow flier compared to the others, who themselves aren't all that fast to begin with. We should instead send them all on Phantom Steeds. They're much faster and can transport everyone equally well, save for Amrelath.

They can Teleport back.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by egoo on May 10, 2018 at 12:44 PM, finished with 188152 posts and 13 votes.
  • [X] Plan Delegate
    -[X] Viserys and Richard go to the temple of Trios
    -[X] Tyene, Waymar, Dany, Lya and Amrelath will Teleport to Rangos position and fly from there to the Tyroshi tributary closest to Myr to start their rounds. They state clearly that you wish for a bloodless transition of power, but swearing themselves to other Free Cities will be seen as treachery and dealed with accordingly.
    --[X] Tyen and Waymar use the Air-Griffons
    --[X] Lya and Dany fly under their own power
    --[X] Use Bloodwish to make Amrelath look lively again. He is to stay at high altitude an fly menacingly over the cities.
    --[X] Take the Iron Archers along.
    -[X] After assessing the faith of Trios and its priests, Viserys will Teleport Alinor over from SD and they start to go over the books.
    [X] See to it that the palace administration begins to be set to rights
    [X] See to it that the palace administration begins to be set to rights
    -[X]I assume we have a number of people that are able to do this even if we need to teleport them over and give them an escort.
    [X] Fly off at once and to cow Tyrosh's vassal cities into submission before their leaders have time to scheme.
    -[X] Take your Dothraki army an do a tour of the smaller cities with yourself at the head in your True Dragon form. In said form walk over their gates and explain the facts of life to their leaders.
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Shit, I think that Duesal might be right. We need Myr to think that we're only taking Tyrosh as a staging ground with which to reconquer Westeros :/

[X] Duesal
 
Duesal said:
No? There's playing the game, and then there's Viserys Targaryen who not only took a minor city but took a Free City playing the game. This is cause for panic, hands down. It's outright signalling to Myr—"you're next."
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If we go personally that's the case, if we send the Dothraki then it's us showing that we will play the game as usual, the game is after all proxy war by sellswords, so if we just send the Dothraki backed up by some legionaires, then it will calm them down, because it shows that we don't plan to personally get involved in further war with Free cities, but merely use the Disputed Lands to get our troops some experience, if we go ourselves or send companions it will cause panic, if we send Dothraki and Legionaries, while seeming to be preparing to take Westeros, it shows that we are going to play the game to keep our troops on their toes, but we are going to focus our real strength mainly on Westeros.
 
tarrangar said:
If we go personally that's the case, if we send the Dothraki then it's us showing that we will play the game as usual, the game is after all proxy war by sellswords, so if we just send the Dothraki backed up by some legionaires, then it will calm them down, because it shows that we don't plan to personally get involved in further war with Free cities, but merely use the Disputed Lands to get our troops some experience, if we go ourselves or send companions it will cause panic, if we send Dothraki and Legionaries, while seeming to be preparing to take Westeros, it shows that we are going to play the game to keep our troops on their toes, but we are going to focus our real strength mainly on Westeros.
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No, that's not how this will be perceived. We stick with Tyroshi territories only and that'll keep Myr and Lys calm. The entire pretense is that we took Tyrosh to use as a staging ground against Westeros. That pretense is gone if we start capturing territories of Lys or Myr. It won't matter if we do it by proxy through our Dothraki or our Legion, it's the fact that we made the order for conquest at all, that we're paying attention. This will not calm the magisters down, not by a longshot. This will only make them nervous and fearful because we would have just proven to them that no, we're not satisfied with just taking Tyrosh like everyone thought we would be, but that our gaze is slowly turning to the remaining Free Cities in the Disputed Lands.

EDIT: If not one of the Tyroshi cities tries to revolt then I'll just give up. We can pacify Rhango with some more Sand Steeds. We don't have time to go monster hunting with him, and having him go after another Free City's territory is flat out not an option.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by egoo on May 10, 2018 at 12:44 PM, finished with 188152 posts and 13 votes.
  • [X] Plan Delegate
    -[X] Viserys and Richard go to the temple of Trios
    -[X] Tyene, Waymar, Dany, Lya and Amrelath will Teleport to Rangos position and fly from there to the Tyroshi tributary closest to Myr to start their rounds. They state clearly that you wish for a bloodless transition of power, but swearing themselves to other Free Cities will be seen as treachery and dealed with accordingly.
    --[X] Tyen and Waymar use the Air-Griffons
    --[X] Lya and Dany fly under their own power
    --[X] Use Bloodwish to make Amrelath look lively again. He is to stay at high altitude an fly menacingly over the cities.
    --[X] Take the Iron Archers along.
    -[X] After assessing the faith of Trios and its priests, Viserys will Teleport Alinor over from SD and they start to go over the books.
    [X] See to it that the palace administration begins to be set to rights
    [X] See to it that the palace administration begins to be set to rights
    -[X]I assume we have a number of people that are able to do this even if we need to teleport them over and give them an escort.
    [X] Fly off at once and to cow Tyrosh's vassal cities into submission before their leaders have time to scheme.
    -[X] Take your Dothraki army an do a tour of the smaller cities with yourself at the head in your True Dragon form. In said form walk over their gates and explain the facts of life to their leaders.
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Duesal said:
No, that's not how this will be perceived. We stick with Tyroshi territories only and that'll keep Myr and Lys calm. The entire pretense is that we took Tyrosh to use as a staging ground against Westeros. That pretense is gone if we start capturing territories of Lys or Myr. It won't matter if we do it by proxy through our Dothraki or our Legion, it's the fact that we made the order for conquest at all, that we're paying attention. This will not calm the magisters down, not by a longshot. This will only make them nervous and fearful because we would have just proven to them that no, we're not satisfied with just taking Tyrosh like everyone thought we would be, but that our gaze is slowly turning to the remaining Free Cities in the Disputed Lands.

EDIT: If not one of the Tyroshi cities tries to revolt then I'll just give up. We can pacify Rhango with some more Sand Steeds. We don't have time to go monster hunting with him, and having him go after another Free City's territory is flat out not an option.
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That's your read of the situation, I believe that they will be more afraid if we do nothing, after all that was what we did, right up until we attacked Tyrosh and took it in a day, having us do lowkey opposition in the Disputed Lands, while preparing to take Westeros is what they will expect, after all we are a known opposer of slavery, so doing nothing against slavery in the Disputed Land will just make them suspicious, doing low key proxy wars while preparing our main forces for Westeros is what they expect us to do, and following their expectations should calm them down.
 
tarrangar said:
That's your read of the situation, I believe that they will be more afraid if we do nothing, after all that was what we did, right up until we attacked Tyrosh and took it in a day, having us do lowkey opposition in the Disputed Lands, while preparing to take Westeros is what they will expect, after all we are a known opposer of slavery, so doing nothing against slavery in the Disputed Land will just make them suspicious, doing low key proxy wars while preparing our main forces for Westeros is what they expect us to do, and following their expectations should calm them down.
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Nope. Duesal has the right of it. We need to look downright uninterested in "playing the game" because we're distracted by Westeros. That's the larger pattern of Westerosi who never hold onto the Stepstones or Tyrosh (if you're including the Blackfyres) we are trying to fit into. I'm willing to give up a border city or two to each of Myr and Lys to make it clear to them we don't care about Essos, and to have them underestimate us. That's the message we're peddling, that they're safe because we're another Westerosi/Exiled Targ who is obsessed with the Sunset Lands and who has already secured his invasion launching point.
 
@Duesal

Look. We just had a bunch of magisters ask us to pay them for freeing their slaves. We had the former Archon, who had fled to the countryside insult us multiple times while his Unsullied tried to keep their loincloths clean.

I'm pretty confident in the amount of stupid.
 
Azel said:
@Duesal

Look. We just had a bunch of magisters ask us to pay them for freeing their slaves. We had the former Archon, who had fled to the countryside insult us multiple times while his Unsullied tried to keep their loincloths clean.

I'm pretty confident in the amount of stupid.
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Tyrosh has taught me that I shouldn't get my hopes up. I'll manage if Amrelath ends up scaring them too badly, we'll find something else for the Dothraki to do. If we're lucky we can bring them a monster to fight.
 
Diomedon said:
Nope. Duesal has the right of it. We need to look downright uninterested in "playing the game" because we're distracted by Westeros. That's the larger pattern of Westerosi who never hold onto the Stepstones or Tyrosh (if you're including the Blackfyres) we are trying to fit into. I'm willing to give up a border city or two to each of Myr and Lys to make it clear to them we don't care about Essos, and to have them underestimate us. That's the message we're peddling, that they're safe because we're another Westerosi/Exiled Targ who is obsessed with the Sunset Lands and who has already secured his invasion launching point.
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Good idea on giving Myr and Lys a city each, should make them a bit less jumpy, and we'll get them back anyway in seven months.
 
It's a bad idea for just Richard and Viserys to visit the temple of an enemy god. I tried to get you to amend your plan, @Azel. I hope you were just away and didn't disregard the concern.

It's not about combat power, but about only having so many actions to spend in a round. Two people is never enough.
 
I think Its time to renegotiate out ceasefire with Zhaerys, he did well on realeasing the slaves, and now that we have a free city he must be aware of our long term plans for the continent.
We should discuss what his long term plans for volantis are, and if we could incorporate those into our empire.
Zhaerys as regional manager/King of southern Essos might be enough to keep him happy.
 
Diomedon said:
Nope. Duesal has the right of it. We need to look downright uninterested in "playing the game" because we're distracted by Westeros. That's the larger pattern of Westerosi who never hold onto the Stepstones or Tyrosh (if you're including the Blackfyres) we are trying to fit into. I'm willing to give up a border city or two to each of Myr and Lys to make it clear to them we don't care about Essos, and to have them underestimate us. That's the message we're peddling, that they're safe because we're another Westerosi/Exiled Targ who is obsessed with the Sunset Lands and who has already secured his invasion launching point.
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We already missed that mark by all our pirate activity, as well as by freeing all the slaves of Tyrosh, which is why we should continue what we did in the Stepstones, and make minor attacks on them, in the form of having our mundane soldiers roaming the Disputed Lands, plundering slavers and generally opposing slavery, we have already shown too much interests in affairs by abolishing slavery, the genie is out of the bottle, we can't convince them we have no interest in them, so we should instead convince them that it's the same interest we have in the Stepstones, namely freeing slaves and making a quick profit raiding.

We can't follow the Blackfire model, but we can follow our own model of just being seen as a nuisance attacking their merchants, but not attacking them in their city.
 
tarrangar said:
We already missed that mark by all our pirate activity, as well as by freeing all the slaves of Tyrosh, which is why we should continue what we did in the Stepstones, and make minor attacks on them, in the form of having our mundane soldiers roaming the Disputed Lands, plundering slavers and generally opposing slavery, we have already shown too much interests in affairs by abolishing slavery, the genie is out of the bottle, we can't convince them we have no interest in them, so we should instead convince them that it's the same interest we have in the Stepstones, namely freeing slaves and making a quick profit raiding.

We can't follow the Blackfire model, but we can follow our own model of just being seen as a nuisance attacking their merchants, but not attacking them in their city.
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Piracy...which we're bringing to a close, and freed slaves (a very Westerosi idea) which we're directly stuffing into our new army. Our entire narrative is the barbori with his backwards and naive ideals (freeing slaves), who is obsessed with reconquering his barbarian homeland. That we continue freeing slaves in the meantime supports this narrative we're selling, which sees us invading westeros, providing a perfect time to backstab us (so they clearly should just wait for this opportunity). We're not trying to convince them that we're friends, just another Tyrosh, we're trying to convince them we're an overgrasping Tyrant, who has already gotten what he wanted out of Essos (an army, a fleet, and money for an invasion).
 
Duesal said:
Tyrosh has taught me that I shouldn't get my hopes up. I'll manage if Amrelath ends up scaring them too badly, we'll find something else for the Dothraki to do. If we're lucky we can bring them a monster to fight.
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Hey, we got enough sacrifices for full three T3 trees and that's just the Day of Blood fuel. We are getting at least another T3 from Day of Change.

I'm honestly stumped why you are still salty.
 
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Azel said:
Hey, we good enough sacrifices for full three T3 trees and that's just the Day of Blood fuel. We are getting at least another T3 from Day of Change.

I'm honestly stumped why you are still salty.
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I'm guessing is that at first we were too cautious and missed some chances for getting sacrifices, and after had to panic and grasp for straws and wait for DP to take pity on some of us and say "your companions got some".
We had a lot of salt spilled over the issue on short period of time, so...
Yeah.
We just don't want to take anything else for granted, not "we'll find dragon eggs", not "we'll find Yss people" nor "Tyrosh's satellite cities won't give up on seeing Amy".
Honestly, I'm starting to have doubts we'll find many sacrifices at Sothroyos :/
 
Azel said:
Hey, we good enough sacrifices for full three T3 trees and that's just the Day of Blood fuel. We are getting at least another T3 from Day of Change.

I'm honestly stumped why you are still salty.
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We got those sacrifices because of contingencies I pushed for with Irony coming along, and thanks to opportunistic legionnaires who we should reward with a bonus when we get the time for it. We could have gotten more, and I was certainly expecting more, but those aspirations were shot down. I'm not salty, I'm resigned. So yes, it may have been salvaged in the end, but I'm not getting my hopes up like that again. You're counting on the stupidity of these minor cities? I'm counting on combined word of us taking Tyrosh and them seeing a goddamn dragon flying above them as enough intimidation to fully cow them. Seriously though, it's fine. We can just get Rhango the rest of those horses he wanted and call it a day.
 
Diomedon said:
Piracy...which we're bringing to a close, and freed slaves (a very Westerosi idea) which we're directly stuffing into our new army. Our entire narrative is the barbori with his backwards and naive ideals (freeing slaves), who is obsessed with reconquering his barbarian homeland. That we continue freeing slaves in the meantime supports this narrative we're selling, which sees us invading westeros, providing a perfect time to backstab us (so they clearly should just wait for this opportunity). We're not trying to convince them that we're friends, just another Tyrosh, we're trying to convince them we're an overgrasping Tyrant, who has already gotten what he wanted out of Essos (an army, a fleet, and money for an invasion).
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Yes but it fit better in our narrative, that we are going to be freeing slaves in the Disputed Lands while preparing for Westeros, we are not known for just sitting passively around, so the only reason to not be doing low level raiding activities in the Disputed Lands, is to calm Lys and Myr down, and that implies that we care about what they do, doing low level raiding on the other hand, just implies that we want our troops bloodied before Westeros, it's more suspicious to do nothing than to do little, we shouldn't do much, at most we should take a single city in the Disputed Lands that's not ruled by Tyrosh, but we should do some, so we don't seem to be lulling them into a false sense of security, but just seem to be focusing on Westeros, and only using the Disputed Land to train our troops.
 
Duesal said:
We got those sacrifices because of contingencies I pushed for with Irony coming along, and thanks to opportunistic legionnaires who we should reward with a bonus when we get the time for it. We could have gotten more, and I was certainly expecting more, but those aspirations were shot down. I'm not salty, I'm resigned. So yes, it may have been salvaged in the end, but I'm not getting my hopes up like that again. You're counting on the stupidity of these minor cities? I'm counting on combined word of us taking Tyrosh and them seeing a goddamn dragon flying above them as enough intimidation to fully cow them. Seriously though, it's fine. We can just get Rhango the rest of those horses he wanted and call it a day.
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We should buy some scrolls of Polymorph Any Object, we could have taken the Bonestorms with them, and CR8 Undeads are worth the cost of such scrolls.

Although for such mindless undead scrolls of command undead would be plenty, that's only a second level spell so it should be cheap, and ordering an undead to stand still, and then shaping a prison around it, is a perfect way to secure undeads for sacrifice, though that's only sure not to break the control on mindless undeads, but I really want to buy a scroll of that spell in the Opaline Vault, then we can get one of those new crafters we are supposed to get to scribe scrolls of it, and we can then add it to the standard loadout for legion mages, a couple of such scrolls would allow legion mages to capture sacrifices for us when encountering undeads.
 
tarrangar said:
Yes but it fit better in our narrative, that we are going to be freeing slaves in the Disputed Lands while preparing for Westeros, we are not known for just sitting passively around, so the only reason to not be doing low level raiding activities in the Disputed Lands, is to calm Lys and Myr down, and that implies that we care about what they do, doing low level raiding on the other hand, just implies that we want our troops bloodied before Westeros, it's more suspicious to do nothing than to do little, we shouldn't do much, at most we should take a single city in the Disputed Lands that's not ruled by Tyrosh, but we should do some, so we don't seem to be lulling them into a false sense of security, but just seem to be focusing on Westeros, and only using the Disputed Land to train our troops.
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No. That doesn't make sense. A Viserys who wants to invade Westeros would not want to raid his neighbors, he would want peace with his neighbors. He'd want to negotiate with them to leave him alone so he could concentrate on Westeros, naively thinking that would protect him from a two-front war. Continuing to raid his neighbors makes literally no sense in the narrative we're trying to sell.
 
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