Nice. Can we also offer to ask Lya if she would like working with Wyla on projects if Wyla has any intrest in them? Basically she adds her skills, when she's interested, she gets a copy of what's learned :)
 
[X] Counter-Offer
-[X] Access too each others libraries.
-[X] Minor favors for minor favors. (Teaching for her aid in some other small matters.)
-[X] Approval to send a research expedition to Naath and study its uniquely lethal wildlife, potentially also capturing a few life specimens.

I want Doom-Butterflies for the menagerie.
 
No, that is a bad deal. We should at least insist on exceptions in case we get stuff we don't want to give her. What about all our maps? Our demon-summoning lore?
We have things that could charitably be considered "forbidden texts" at best, and frankly I don't trust Wyla with them. Not only is she not loyal to us, but she's Evil and literally bloodthirsty.
She's a mid-level mage who's been out there for years.
She's actually a Necromancer (seen when we last met her) and hasn't raised and lost control of any undead monsters or armies.
She has just mentioned how most fiend-summoners tend to be insane and wonders about cause and effect of that, implying she met that kind of people (and their lore of course) before.

I doubt giving her access to our lore will make her much more dangerous than she can be by herself.
 
No, that is a bad deal. We should at least insist on exceptions in case we get stuff we don't want to give her. What about all our maps? Our demon-summoning lore?
We have things that could charitably be considered "forbidden texts" at best, and frankly I don't trust Wyla with them. Not only is she not loyal to us, but she's Evil and literally bloodthirsty.
She has just seen what we do with people who recklessly summon evil shit, tho.

Hey @Azel , apparently our own Colorado won some beer competition in Fraknfurt or something?
 
So long as she doesn't make her own scholarum with texts of ours I have no real problem with that.
Oh, and of course, if she takes to spending her own research actions on any of the multitude of grimoirs we ourselves haven't touched yet, we get the results.
She'll be a part of our empire eventually, after all.
 
No, that is a bad deal. We should at least insist on exceptions in case we get stuff we don't want to give her. What about all our maps? Our demon-summoning lore?
We have things that could charitably be considered "forbidden texts" at best, and frankly I don't trust Wyla with them. Not only is she not loyal to us, but she's Evil and literally bloodthirsty.
What about it? She knows our policy against reckless evil magic. Random necromancer tries to spread undead plague? They're now our enemy. She saw firsthand what we did to Daario. Fiendish cultists try to take over our city and summon outsiders? They're now our enemy. Hell, she even expressed disgust with the cultists in this update since they tend to be more than a little insane. So I'm not actually worried that she's going to do stupid shit here. She has a healthy sense of self-preservation above all else, she's not going to deliberately do things that would make us angry.

[X] Azel
 
So long as she doesn't make her own scholarum with texts of ours I have no real problem with that.
Oh, and of course, if she takes to spending her own research actions on any of the multitude of grimoirs we ourselves haven't touched yet, we get the results.
She'll be a part of our empire eventually, after all.

She is the leader of an independent if friendly state . Trying to restrict her from training mages will be a very hard sell.
 
She is the leader of an independent if friendly state . Trying to restrict her from training mages will be a very hard sell.
I'm not worried about her training her own mages. I'm treating this as another Dorne, or another Mantarys. She can have her own mages. We have a hell of a head start and a wide variety of skilled teachers, and she has... well, she has less. Also she's eventually joining the Imperium anyway, so eh. If anything I'd like to encourage her to train mages.
 
She has just seen what we do with people who recklessly summon evil shit, tho.

Hey @Azel , apparently our own Colorado won some beer competition in Fraknfurt or something?
No idea what you are talking about to be honest and I can assure you that foreign beers have a hard time among the general population in Germany. Every region has their own special type of beer and everyone is fiercely defensive of theirs.
 
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-[X] Minor favors for minor favors. (Teaching for her aid in some other small matters.)
Isn't minor-action-teaching supposed to be part of the return for her help here already?
-[X] Approval to send a research expedition to Naath and study its uniquely lethal wildlife, potentially also capturing a few life specimens.
I'm not against doing that, but why put it in this?
 
No, that is a bad deal. We should at least insist on exceptions in case we get stuff we don't want to give her. What about all our maps? Our demon-summoning lore?
We have things that could charitably be considered "forbidden texts" at best, and frankly I don't trust Wyla with them. Not only is she not loyal to us, but she's Evil and literally bloodthirsty.
I'm against this also. Now if she finally accepted to turn alive again, I might be willing to revisit this, but full access to our library in exchange for a token contribution to this operation (which wasn't even necessary) is way too much.
 
I'm against this also. Now if she finally accepted to turn alive again, I might be willing to revisit this, but full access to our library in exchange for a token contribution to this operation (which wasn't even necessary) is way too much.
Then don't see it as a reward.
We activly want to share knowledge with useful allies, making them better.

We tought Alisande spells after Rezzing her, not owing her anything, for example.
 
I'm not against doing that, but why put it in this?
It's an excellent place to take care of it off the bat. It takes quite a bit of updates to arrange deal-making with characters in this quest, so when we're actually in the process of a deal we should make the most of it and take care of as much as we can.
I'm against this also. Now if she finally accepted to turn alive again, I might be willing to revisit this, but full access to our library in exchange for a token contribution to this operation (which wasn't even necessary) is way too much.
It's already happening. She's going to devise a ritual for it since Garin managed to convince her. See her asking access to the library as getting the intel she needs to make the ritual.
 
@Azel, proposal:

Ask her to teach in the Scholarum, and in exchange we can take her students into the Scholarum to learn any kind of magic she wants them to learn. She gets magelings, we get a strong wizard as an additional teacher, and she gets increasingly dependent on us.
 
So, how do we handle her being undead? I mean, she is evil, but not an omnicidal maniac. Just an asshole that eats people because she needs to.

I mean, we gotta give our students "the talk" about undeath at some point.
 
@Azel, proposal:

Ask her to teach in the Scholarum, and in exchange we can take her students into the Scholarum to learn any kind of magic she wants them to learn. She gets magelings, we get a strong wizard as an additional teacher, and she gets increasingly dependent on us.
There's no way that she'll agree to spend her entire time teaching though. Maybe just as a guest teacher, for a week a month?
I doubt that she'll accept, but it's a sweet idea.
 
So, how do we handle her being undead? I mean, she is evil, but not an omnicidal maniac. Just an asshole that eats people because she needs to.

I mean, we gotta give our students "the talk" about undeath at some point.
We handle it by giving her all the help she want, on the ritual to change her from a vampire into a Dhampir variant.
 
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