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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
I wasn't suggesting to mix OOC knowledge with IC documents?
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Ah, well, I misunderstood, since people were talking about how knowing the level is important in organizing people.

Artemis1992 said:
We have some options.

Color Spray someone, of course asking them not to resist, and you have a pretty accurate picture of the level.
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And that makes no sense unless you already know what "level" is are are trying to work backwards to demonstrate it. All it tells us is how resistant to color spray someone is, because IC "level" is not the clearly defined thing it is in the mechanics. As a test aimed towards organizing mages, whose defining feature is magical might, it's downright silly from an IC perspective, because a minotaur with cantrips would register as a powerful mage!
 
Diomedon said:
And all I care about it not permitting OOC knowledge leaking into IC documents, because it's a big ugly marr on the worldbuilding. We don't need to move towards "What level and class are you?" "Oh, I'm a level 3 Artificer" as an actual IC conversation.
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Artemis1992 said:
We have some options.

Color Spray someone, of course asking them not to resist, and you have a pretty accurate picture of the level.
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@DragonParadox This isn't a super serious issue, but it would be cool if we could address it with a minimum of fuss.

Right now, we use "Circles" to represent the level of spells a mage can use, but that doesn't always work for some classes, such as Bards, Maguses (Magi?), Duskblades, Adepts, etc.

In addition to Circles, could we also have "Degrees", as a means to represent character level. Or maybe Tiers? What do ya'll think? @Everyone

For example, a 13th level Wizard would be a 7th Circle Wizard of the 13th Degree, while a level 10th level Bard would be a 4th Circle Bard of the 10th Degree.
 
Diomedon said:
And that makes no sense unless you already know what "level" is are are trying to work backwards to demonstrate it. All it tells us is how resistant to color spray someone is, because IC "level" is not the clearly defined thing it is in the mechanics. As a test aimed towards organizing mages, whose defining feature is magical might, it's downright silly from an IC perspective, because a minotaur with cantrips would register as a powerful mage!
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Then how about Casterlevel?
That's measurable by counterspelling or dispelling, it's equal for all magical classes, if hedgmage or cleric and it's mostly relliable.
I mean, with the right feats and tricks you can push your CL by about 2, no more.
 
I like circles. Fuck martials. Real skill is the power of magic you can use. If Gishes want more pay then they can take riskier, gishier jobs.
 
...Okay, fuck roscomnadzor, these guys who are carpet-bombing the shit out of Russian internet with Ip-blocks, I can't seem to check google docks now.
Fucking fantastic.

Can someone tell, how long ago was that trip to Dorne, and how soon Velen promised to come, along with all lore they have and/or knowledge how to summon some more phoenixes to act as teachers?
 
egoo said:
...Okay, fuck roscomnadzor, these guys who are carpet-bombing the shit out of Russian internet with Ip-blocks, I can't seem to check google docks now.
Fucking fantastic.

Can someone tell, how long ago was that trip to Dorne, and how soon Velen promised to come, along with all lore they have and/or knowledge how to summon some more phoenixes to act as teachers?
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Velen is coming next month. Presumably he'll bring with him the knowledge of how to summon phoenixes, and we were outright told by DP that the books and Masterwork Map of Dorne would be coming with Velen.
 
Duesal said:
Velen is coming next month. Presumably he'll bring with him the knowledge of how to summon phoenixes, and we were outright told by DP that the books and Masterwork Map of Dorne would be coming with Velen.
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Yeah, okay.
For some reason I thought it was "A week" before he gets here.
Eeeeehhh.

...Is it weird, that I'm hyped more by books/lore from Dorne/Archons/Relath coming soon-ish, than by Tyrosh?
*Hoarding intensifies*
 
Duesal said:
Velen is coming next month. Presumably he'll bring with him the knowledge of how to summon phoenixes, and we were outright told by DP that the books and Masterwork Map of Dorne would be coming with Velen.
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Though I doubt that summoning-knowledge is cheaper or quicker than casting Lesser Planar Ally.

Or just Planeshifting over and asking for Phoenixes on the Plane of FIre.
 
I'm sad the quest giver idea didnt pan out. She could have sniffed around Taena for documents maybe? Sneak into Jurgen's cell and have a little chat? There was space for creativity, I'm sure DP would have surprised us...

I dont get why we didnt say it was the Lannisters though, except for 'not playing into the Maesters hands'. I mean, they are our public enemy number one, we hate them, they want to kill us, and already have tried to invade this island. Will a few of our students spitting at the name of the Lannisters really change anything?
 
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Part MCMLXVI: Burning Bright
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    • Burning Bright ​

    Twenty-Second Day of the Second Month 293 AC

    In the end you decide to offer the truth, for it would hardly surprise anyone with even the faintest grasp on your House's history. "The would-be raiders were Lannisters who sought what you do—knowledge and power—though they thought to win by guile and theft what you all work honestly towards."

    The young woman nods, satisfied enough so in fact that the smile she gives to those around her is almost a smirk, no doubt winning a measure of notoriety for her boldness. You will have to ask Teana to keep an eye on her for more than arcane skill. That sort of attention and the power that comes with it brings out the best and the worst in people, and only time will tell which it is in this case.

    If nothing else your willingness to answer questions freely even in such a grave matter as Jorgen's treachery ensures that the initiates are not shy about speaking up in your lectures without fear of reprimand or ridicule. You quickly discover that while teaching will likely never be among your greatest skills you can at least patch together something workable, something to set fire the mind and the spirit, to see the ponder and power behind symbol and allegory that are the brick and mortar of sorcery.

    More than lectures from on high you lead many out into the city to speak with the odd and uncanny beings that have found a home here. What makes the Tinker Fey's magic ever seek to mend even as they seem most concerned with making and crafting? What does the grumbling voice of stone whisper to the pech and how might their powers be joined together become greater than apart? Where is born the light of a messenger archon and how does it bless the worthy? On and on you speak as day turns to night and faces around you change, though not the expressions of wonder writ upon them.

    It is only when one curious initiate asks what manner of spell keeps you from needing to sleep that you truly realize how long a time has passed. The sun had long since set, the moon spilled out its might over the Deep. A good time to speak of Garin's magic... the thought comes grinding to a halt. There is no more time if your students are to be in any fit state to learn anything on the morrow. Thus, with reluctance on both sides, you dismiss your final class for the day.

    2 Wizards advance to level 2

    9 Hedge Mages advance to level 2

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    Twenty-Fourth Day of the Second Month 293 AC

    The next two days you speak not to those who had already found their way to power, but to those struggling upon the path. Your words are of the age of dragons trying as best you can to offer insight into their perspective on the world, so uniquely suited to bending it to their whims while at the same time filled with the flaws that can doom the careless mage. Sloth, pride, and carelessness are each poison in their own way, though not once do you speak against ambition for that is the ladder they all must climb if they are to succeed and in so doing raise up your own plans for the realm.

    And so they do to your wonder and joy, like a spark to tinder your words fall upon the minds of those gathered before you, Dragonseeds from whose ranks arose dragonriders in the days of old, a brother of the Night's Watch who had been a hedge knight in the Crownlands before being caught in the maelstrom of the Usurper's War, even one of the fiend-blooded corsairs who thought to reach for more than he had been in the shadow of the Brazen Throne all awoke as you had hoped.

    7 Sorcerers awakened (5 Dragonseeds, 1 Black Brother, 1 former Corsair Tiefling)

    Thus at last you understand some of the truth at least, you see it reflected in the eyes of those newly awoken, you hear it in their breathless voices. To awaken to power is to know and trust one's self, whether from hope or desperation to cast one's self upon the fickle winds of fate and then by will alone to give them pleasing shape and form. Whether you can awaken such an understanding such desire with words alone again you do not know, but now you have an inkling of other paths you might follow in the doing, either douse the tinder in oil, envelop the aspirant in power begging to be used or fan the spark within.

    What do you do next?

    [] Prepare for Tyrosh
    -[] Write in

    [] Perform a minor action
    -[] Write in

    [] Write in

    OOC: Was not expecting the exploding crits... that probably goes without saying, but things got really silly. You were supposed to help a few mages level, maybe get one sorcerer to express though painstaking trial and error, not seven at once by sheer inspiration and charisma.
     
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    Crits are, as always, happening when they're needed the most.

    @Duesal, was that you who had a sort-of plan for what we wanted to ask Amrelath to transcribe?

    And, @DragonParadox, if that's not too much trouble, could you spell out what was Viserys thinking in this paragraph?
    but now you have an inkling ofother paths you might follow in thedoing, either douse the tinder inoil,nevelop the aspirant in power beggingto be used or fan the spark within.
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    I feel reeeeally dumb not getting this.
    Probably should go sleep...
     
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    @DragonParadox This isn't a super serious issue, but it would be cool if we could address it with a minimum of fuss.

    Right now, we use "Circles" to represent the level of spells a mage can use, but that doesn't always work for some classes, such as Bards, Maguses (Magi?), Duskblades, Adepts, etc.

    In addition to Circles, could we also have "Degrees", as a means to represent character level. Or maybe Tiers? What do ya'll think? @Everyone

    For example, a 13th level Wizard would be a 7th Circle Wizard of the 13th Degree, while a level 10th level Bard would be a 4th Circle Bard of the 10th Degree.
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    Hmm... it is possible to guess Caster level by looking at spell duration so yes, though you are going to have to introduce the new system IC too.
     
    DragonParadox said:
    OOC: Was not expecting the exploding crits... that probably goes without saying, but things got really silly. You were supposed to help a few mages level, maybe get one sorcerer to express though painstaking trial and error not seven at once by sheer inspiration and charisma.
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    Viserys' Charisma continues to be a force all on it's own, even before it adds to our spellcasting.

    It's going to be in all the stories, that's for sure. Though nobody will believe this one, "He's so charismatic he can wake the power in people's souls with nothing but words" just sounds stupid to people who don't know that's in fact how it works.
     
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    Duesal said:
    That went exceedingly well. :) We don't even have to put a research action into this now. @DragonParadox, in the future is this something we can use Divine Insight for?
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    You were using Divine Insight now as well as any other buff Viserys could think of, hence the superhuman inspiring. While you can replicate it though likely to lesser degrees this method does not scale well, so eventually you are going to have to research into one that does.
     
    @DragonParadox, do I have our current mage population correct? I left out the Night's Watch sorcerer since he was never ours.

    5x Legion Wizard lvl 1
    4x Legion Wizard lvl 2
    2x Legion Wizard lvl 3 (1 Detached Duty Salladhor Saan)

    11x Legion Hedge Mages lvl 1
    6x Legion Hedge Mages lvl 2
    2x Legion Hedge Mages lvl 3

    3x Legion Archivist lvl 1
    2x Legion Archivist lvl 2

    5x Legion Adepts lvl 1
    3x Legion Adept lvl 2

    4x Legion Wizards lvl 1
    6x Legion Wizards lvl 2
    2x Legion Wizards lvl 3 (1 Detached Duty Salladhor Saan)

    2x Legion Hedge Mages lvl 1
    15x Legion Hedge Mages lvl 2
    2x Legion Hedge Mages lvl 3

    3x Legion Archivists lvl 1
    2x Legion Archivists lvl 2

    5x Legion Adepts lvl 1
    3x Legion Adepts lvl 2

    6x Legion Sorcerers lvl 1

    1x Night's Watch Sorcerer lvl 1
     
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    Okay, so... We can now awake casters without wasting a research action now, due to multiple crits?

    ...Are we literally so charismatic that we can make people mages through speeches now?

    Wow.

    Also, @DragonParadox
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    this method does not scale well
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    will giving a speech or two under that Heart-tree Azel designed (+20 to roll with 20 willsave for Viserys) add up to such process, then?
    I can kind of see Viserys drawing upon Old Gods' knowledge of magic/Song to inspire people into magic even more...
     
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