I am adamantly opposed to that outcome.
You're not alone. We worked hard to get the planar contacts.

[X] In the future I would gladly share the location of this trading city with you, but am unable to due to diplomatic concerns and the risk of drawing hostiles from the Planes to us.
-[X] First thing to address: the Dornish mages aren't strong enough yet
--[X] We heard you already contacted Velen's homeplane, this market we draw from is on a neighboring Plane, the Dimwell Delving, home to earth and all its creatures.
--[X] Its markets are rich and a little bit less dangerous than the great trade-hubs on the Plane of Fire.
--[X] Unfortunately that knowledge alone is not worth too much, since it takes a mage of considerable power to move between worlds and none in your services, or indeed in mine outside of my closest allies, can cross over to trade.
--[X] At the same time all but the most well-ordered and tightly controlled areas of the Elemental Planes are dangerous to mortals and inhabited by creatures far more dangerous than any bandit or rogue lord this world has to offer, and we have faced dangerous foes on the majority of our travels away from this plane.
--[X] So all in all, I recommend you to wait until your mages have grown in power until they can cast spells of at least the 5th Circle before considering extraplanar trade.
--[X] That aside, in this particular city, the reason we are able to get such good deals is due to personal connections we have made. Others who seek to trade there would not enjoy the same benefits. We will happily act as the go-between for now, however, with full access later. Small fee in goods, which we intend to invest into strategic projects for the war.
-[X] Tell Doran about the significant economic dangers posed by the Teleportation Circles
--[X] They would massively shift economic activity towards their locations, due to effectively doubling the sphere of influence of every activity nearby.
--[X] This will lead to a drain of specialised labor from their wider surroundings and massively promote urbanisation, thus greatly empowering the local lords economically and politically. This will depopulate the surrounding areas over time.
--[X] They will shift away business from land caravans and shipping, since they can't possibly compete with free instant teleportation. That will put tremendous strain on locations depending on these routes and will worsen the migration.
--[X] Long term, this will result in a loss of knowledge. Maps will become less accurate. Sailing and shipbuilding knowledge will detoriate.
--[X] With the local roads loosing value, the lords will become less vigorous about securing the hinterland and prosecution of banditry. This rise in criminality will worsen the other effects.
--[X] Long term, isolationism will be the result, since knowledge about the world disappears and nothing worthwhile will exist away from the Teleportation Network.
--[X] Which is not to say that he should bury them, but they need to be very carefully controlled and administrated. For now they should be restricted for military usage.
--[X] Lya will eventually come to study the Teleportation Circles soon for further military use, with the goal of replicating the magic elsewhere.
-[X] Arrange the purchase of the best Dornish Sand Steeds so that they can be bred by your Dothraki. You shall have the finest horses for the Legions.
-[X] In the distant future, when your needs for steel are not so overwhelming, arrange to sell steel to Dorne in quantities that Doran can hide or explain away.

@Diomedon @Azel @Artemis1992 tried to get all the best points.
1. His mages aren't strong enough in the first place
2. Even if they were, for strategic reasons this isn't the best time for us
3. Teleportation Circle concerns
4. Horses
5. Steel in the distant future
 
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A few of his people being eaten or enslaved after planar adventures might convince Doran to keep his hands off the idea of Planar trade.
It's not like mortals would actually survive an average day of ours on another plane.

We have been attacked by things that could kill your regular group of caravan-guards in a few rounds on about 8 of 10 extraplanar excursions?

The Opaline Vault is on the safe side as far as planar environments go because of the character of it's laws. That said yes it would be dangerous.
 
Stole a bunch of stuff from other plans.

[X] Plan "Preventing Dornish Fuckupery"
-[X] "Considering that he helped you to make contact with his people, I assume Velen has shared some knowledge of the greater Planes with you, Prince Doran. Thus, you should know that each Plane is quite deadly in its own way and rarely are there locations hospitable to mortal life. Simply surviving on most Planes for more than a few days requires powerful magic, while others could kill you within moments of stepping foot into them, and that is only if you have the sorcerous power to reach the Plane at all.
--[X] "That said, for the adequately prepared traveler, the Planes hold opportunities for wealth and magic scarcely imagined on our world. At the moment, however, your mages do not possess the necessary power to freely travel the Planes, nor to see any you sent safely to those few isolated bastions of order and trade. Rest assured, that with patience and care your mages will continue will eventually gain that power. When that time arrives, and your forces are judged ready to step out into the Planes, I will aid you in this as few others can, for I have taken pains to establish friendly contacts on several Planes."
---[X] "In the meantime, I can act as a go-between, using those same contacts and the favorable status I have acquired among some of them to facilitate profitable trading for us both."
----[X] "Nurture your mages, make them mighty and treat them well, for once they have access to the Planes, there is little binding them to your service but personal loyalty. Beyond mages, you will need experienced warriors, those with martial prowess akin to Prince Oberyn, as magic alone is not enough to insure safety in the dangerous paths mortals must walk when traveling the Planes.
-----[X] "And remember, just as we can travel to the other Planes, so can the denizens of those Planes travel to our world. It is already happening in places that lacked the wisdom not to meddle with forces beyond their understanding, and much of my time and resources have been devoted to preventing disastrous Planar incursions before they could grow beyond localized troubles."
-[X] Also;
--[X] Warn Doran that the recently discovered Teleportation Circles could have a detrimental impact on the region's economy. Advise him to keep them secret for now, as a reliable means to move large groups of men and supplies across vast distances cannot be ignored.
--[X] Arrange the purchase of the best Dornish Sand Steeds so that they can be bred by your Dothraki. You shall have the finest horses for the Legions.
 
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[X] Duesal
@DragonParadox, will you include all lore/books we exchanged with Doran's mages at the same time we'll start making copies off his library?
 
[X] Diomedon

BTW, I was thinking about a short speech that the officers would read aloud to the men in the ships, just a few hours before they hit Tyrosh, something like Eisenhower's telegram to the men of the allied expeditionary force. I suppose they could be given to the officers by construct ravens, or simply sealed retroactively in some manner. What do you all think?

Edit: This arose out of the sad fact that we wont be there to speechefy the bulk of our soldiers... unless we could TP to the fleet? Could we do that?
 
The point of that steel trade is to buy some iron from him and pay with half of that in steel, so that we get more of it.

We could get 5-10 tons of steel surplus a month without raising any red flags.
 
You're not alone. We worked hard to get the planar contacts.

[X] In the future I would gladly share the location of this trading city with you, but am unable to due to diplomatic concerns and the risk of drawing hostiles from the Planes to us.
-[X] First thing to address: the Dornish mages aren't strong enough yet
--[X] We heard you already contacted Velen's homeplane, this market we draw from is on a neighboring Plane, the Dimwell Delving, home to earth and all its creatures.
--[X] Its markets are rich and a little bit less dangerous than the great trade-hubs on the Plane of Fire.
--[X] Unfortunately that knowledge alone is not worth too much, since it takes a mage of considerable power to move between worlds and none in your services, or indeed in mine outside of my closest allies, can cross over to trade.
--[X] At the same time all but the most well-ordered and tightly controlled areas of the Elemental Planes are dangerous to mortals and inhabited by creatures far more dangerous than any bandit or rogue lord this world has to offer, and we have faced dangerous foes on the majority of our travels away from this plane.
--[X] So all in all, I recommend you to wait until your mages have grown in power until they can cast spells of at least the 5th Circle before considering extraplanar trade.
--[X] That aside, in this particular city, the reason we are able to get such good deals is due to personal connections we have made. Others who seek to trade there would not enjoy the same benefits. We will happily act as the go-between for now, however, with full access later. Small fee in goods, which we intend to invest into strategic projects for the war.
-[X] Tell Doran about the significant economic dangers posed by the Teleportation Circles
--[X] They would massively shift economic activity towards their locations, due to effectively doubling the sphere of influence of every activity nearby.
--[X] This will lead to a drain of specialised labor from their wider surroundings and massively promote urbanisation, thus greatly empowering the local lords economically and politically. This will depopulate the surrounding areas over time.
--[X] They will shift away business from land caravans and shipping, since they can't possibly compete with free instant teleportation. That will put tremendous strain on locations depending on these routes and will worsen the migration.
--[X] Long term, this will result in a loss of knowledge. Maps will become less accurate. Sailing and shipbuilding knowledge will detoriate.
--[X] With the local roads loosing value, the lords will become less vigorous about securing the hinterland and prosecution of banditry. This rise in criminality will worsen the other effects.
--[X] Long term, isolationism will be the result, since knowledge about the world disappears and nothing worthwhile will exist away from the Teleportation Network.
--[X] Which is not to say that he should bury them, but they need to be very carefully controlled and administrated. For now they should be restricted for military usage.
--[X] Lya will eventually come to study the Teleportation Circles soon for further military use, with the goal of replicating the magic elsewhere.
-[X] Arrange the purchase of the best Dornish Sand Steeds so that they can be bred by your Dothraki. You shall have the finest horses for the Legions.
-[X] In the distant future, when your needs for steel are not so overwhelming, arrange to sell steel to Dorne in quantities that Doran can hide or explain away.

@Diomedon @Azel @Artemis1992 tried to get all the best points.
1. His mages aren't strong enough in the first place
2. Even if they were, for strategic reasons this isn't the best time for us
3. Teleportation Circle concerns
4. Horses
5. Steel in the distant future

You kinda don't address the strategic dangers of outsiders coming to the plane very much, outside of the very first line. That's more important than all the little details on dangers of actually being on PoE.

I'd drop most of Azel's teleportation spiel, it's just not needed right now. I'd focus instead on how with the level of magic we've seen among our expected enemies, fading into the desert will not work as it has in the past. Dorne will most likely need to hold the Red Mountains, and the military value of a secret way to bring supplies from the Sea of Dorne straight to High Hermitage is too valuable to reveal carelessly. Ask to study it ourselves in exchange for a promise of our attention in the development of Dorne's magical infrastructure when we can act more openly there.

Edit: Nvm, let me look over Goldfish's plan and give feedback.
 
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@Goldfish should we give a little culture lesson in regards to Opaline Empire so Doran nor his followers make any mistakes when interacting with them in future? Also to avoid the fire genies since we are basically enemies with them now?
 
You kinda don't address the strategic dangers of outsiders coming to the plane very much, outside of the very first line. That's more important than all the little details on dangers of actually being on PoE.
Alright. @Goldfish? Green light for full paranoia.
I'd drop most of Azel's teleportation spiel, it's just not needed right now. I'd focus instead on how with the level of magic we've seen among our expected enemies, fading into the desert will not work as it has in the past. Dorne will most likely need to hold the Red Mountains, and the military value of a secret way to bring supplies from the Sea of Dorne straight to High Hermitage is too valuable to reveal carelessly. Ask to study it ourselves in exchange for a promise of our attention in the development of Dorne's magical infrastructure when we can act more openly there.
But this is the perfect time to talk about the teleportation circle. DP even told us to do it.
Also this would be the time to discuss concerns about teleportation circles.
 
Alright. @Goldfish? Green light for full paranoia.

But this is the perfect time to talk about the teleportation circle. DP even told us to do it.

No, I mean, my point is the economic bits are unnecessary and thus distracting from the better and more compelling argument of war preparation. It's not merely a neat military asset, it's a crucial military asset to Dorne that cannot risk compromise before the war.
 
@Duesal, @Diomedons point is that we should only argue about the military value and address economics later.

Having 1-2 freighters and the first railway would indeed help to sell that these concerns are addressable later, by careful planning and additional magitek support.
 
No, I mean, my point is the economic bits are unnecessary and thus distracting from the better and more compelling argument of war preparation. It's not merely a neat military asset, it's a crucial military asset to Dorne that cannot risk compromise before the war.

But the economic long term consequences are what we are warning about...

At least, that's my concern.
 
This setting is going one of two ways: Apocalyptic hellhole/Far-realm-hole/Pit-hole... or Tippyverse. Some sort of Tippyverse, at least - especially seeing as crafting costs resources and not XP. Not it may well take a while for Tippyverse to happen (hopefully generations) but at the very least we're going to be seeing some power shifts between cities and such during our lifetime.
With magitek in the works and commerce being a thing, Tippyverse pretty much has to happen eventually in some shape or form. Well, unless someone stupidly powerful and influential deliberately stifles it. Are we planning on doing that?
 
But the economic long term consequences are what we are warning about...

If he's not using them for economic purposes, but keeping them secret, it doesn't matter if it's because we spent a long time trying to convince him on economic theory, or because we point out how crucial it currently is to the defense of Dorne with a sentence or two (and economics is much more debatable than the value of a supply line direct to your frontline)

Gonna type up something that @Goldfish can copy paste in.
 
If he's not using them for economic purposes, but keeping them secret, it doesn't matter if it's because we spent a long time trying to convince him on economic theory, or because we point out how crucial it currently is to the defense of Dorne with a sentence or two.

Gonna type up something that @Goldfish can copy paste in.

Yeah, but secrecy and millitary he knows for sure, the damage that could result from long term lack of regulation might not be immediately apparent, so the economic spiel is what is relevant to the concerns I hold (take from posters in pages past, obviously ;) ).
 
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