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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Snowfire said:
Regardless of what was behind it, that it happened was lovely. It's really nice to see them start growing older, and wonder what place longer-term plans might have and hold for them. I can see Viserys also being worried in some way that any children he had might suffer as he did - he's far too self-depreciating in that regard, both in regards to himself and others around him.

Something I've actually wondered on occasion, and I'd be interested if you'd confirm it, is if his past memories as a child actually drove his desire for peers over subordinates in some way as well. Subordinates will not challenge you, not really, and even if they do you can override them. But peers? Peers are different. They can challenge you, in fact they're expected to. And I wonder if some of his drive to seek them is down to the tiny part of himself that knows the madness of his father could be in his blood too, and wants people around him capable of tempering it if it ever comes.
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That's definitely a part of it, though not one he likes to consider very often for obvious reasons.
 
Crake said:
Viserys has some kind of huge computational theorem running through his mind in a split-second, "How do I make a seat secure enough that my thousands of foes cannot so much as gaze upon any child of mine, when I can't even make a world safe enough for my subjects yet?" And yet willing to take an honest crack at it despite that fact.
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Although the circumstances are a bit exceptional, it's no different to how any (good intentioned) young man in love might react. It's a difficult thing for some to consider children today, even though it's become so much safer and the world is far less terrifying, at least in some places.
 
Duesal said:
The fluff of Justicar is what I'm after. If some of that can be slipped into a version of Contemplative that's all I ask.
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Sorry, but picking up an awful class purely for fluff is just silly. Contemplative can be fluffed to fit Malarys just fine as a concept Cleric of Law.
 
Children we bring into this world today might not get to experience much of it. No one's quite sure which generation is guaranteed to slip past the crack dividing what we have now and our dismal dystopian future, but it's really hard to convince yourself your kids are going to be the ones who make it.

Though I guess in this example Viserys is the one building the dystopian future. :V
 
Goldfish said:
Sorry, but picking up an awful class purely for fluff is just silly. Contemplative can be fluffed to fit Malarys just fine as a concept Cleric of Law.
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That's what I'm asking for. :p If you take Contemplative, use some of the fluff from Justicar. That's it.

Either way, is anyone else excited about extorting Relath for a new eye?
 
I half expect to spend most of our Tolos visit on some kind of pleasure barge.

The guy knows how to party.
 
[X] Goldfish

Losing social skills after spending too long meditating upon the Divine meaning of Order and Domination makes a lot of sense actually.
I suggest swapping out Slippery Mind with Divine Insight [class level] times per day, at CL [class level*2]. Or replacing Slippery Mind with the ability to roll Fortitude saves as Will saves 1/day per 2 class levels.

@Duesal I am!
 
I just realized something:

Leshy, Lichen – d20PFSRD are the spies of Leshykind. Good Stealth, Spider Climb, can enter any place by naturally degrading materials, and can shape themselves as a patch of Lichen.

Nobody ever suspects of the patch of Lichen to jump and dissolve your face.

We need some of those for both colonization and spying purposes.
 
There is something to be said for the practicalities of having a direct heir of the body. In dynastic politics it's really reassuring to your allies, and is part of why the Blackfyres were so hard to stamp out that they kept leaving children and younger brother back in Essos. Dany is currently our heir, but as a young girl she's seen as weaker and less desirable (whee, patriarchal attitudes) than a male son (who is useless beyond being a baby/toddler), despite the whole power thing. I mean, we're unlikely to be killed and then stay dead, and heirs are less important once Viserys realizes he's not just getting the "Old Wizard" boost to his lifespan, but has become a dragon, but it would be useful for outward facing diplomacy.

It's also completely not a reason Viserys would have children. I think the most likely period would be if things seem quiet-ish after we've completed our Essosi conquest and before Robert kicks the bucket. At that point Viserys is mostly keeping busy building strength and just waiting, while occasionally doing things like Hunting Tiamat, or keeping busy resettling Sallosh. I'm still hopeful for Viserys being able to buy a small island or a manse with a ship full of steel in the Summer Islands to serve as his new "summer" residence, so he can have an actual vacation spot in a land where he's not responsible for everything.
 
Duesal said:
That's a huge reason I'm not a fan of this. I really don't want to touch Diplomacy or Bluff on Malarys.
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He would still have excellent social skills, buffable via spell for greater effect. There are other party members with better social skills.
 
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@Goldfish, Malarys is, as we speak, in Pentos recruiting spies. Then he will go on to reform our Lawmen and root out a traitor. And next month he is going to recruit more spies for our internal security agency.

So with all due respect, it is retarded to tank his social skills now.
 
And just like that, I'm invested again...

@Azel, what black sorcery have you wrought this time?

[X] Azel
 
[X] Malarys Level Up Justicar
-[X] Class: Church Inquisitor
-[X] Skills (6 points): +6 Knowledge (Religion)

Justicar is a decent class, full Cleric-casting can never be actually bad, only non-optimal, and some of the other features are nice too.
And it has better saves/BAB/HD.

He doesn't need to retrain anything.
 
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Goldfish said:
He would still have excellent social skills, buffable via spell for greater effect. There are other party members with better social skills.
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That's not really the best argument for this. Sure, other party members have good social skills, but this is who Malarys is. He was trained as a Valyrian Lawyer. It makes no sense for him to lose skillpoints in social skills. You don't become more socially inept just through a bit of inner reflection.

This is a big reason I'm suggesting a custom PrC. Sure, Justicar might be terrible mechanically, but retaining the social skills is too much for a lot of us. If there's an option to take Contemplative without retraining those skills there would be a lot less resistance.
 
Diomedon said:
There is something to be said for the practicalities of having a direct heir of the body. In dynastic politics it's really reassuring to your allies, and is part of why the Blackfyres were so hard to stamp out that they kept leaving children and younger brother back in Essos. Dany is currently our heir, but as a young girl she's seen as weaker and less desirable (whee, patriarchal attitudes) than a male son (who is useless beyond being a baby/toddler), despite the whole power thing. I mean, we're unlikely to be killed and then stay dead, and heirs are less important once Viserys realizes he's not just getting the "Old Wizard" boost to his lifespan, but has become a dragon, but it would be useful for outward facing diplomacy.

It's also completely not a reason Viserys would have children. I think the most likely period would be if things seem quiet-ish after we've completed our Essosi conquest and before Robert kicks the bucket. At that point Viserys is mostly keeping busy building strength and just waiting, while occasionally doing things like Hunting Tiamat, or keeping busy resettling Sallosh. I'm still hopeful for Viserys being able to buy a small island or a manse with a ship full of steel in the Summer Islands to serve as his new "summer" residence, so he can have an actual vacation spot in a land where he's not responsible for everything.
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Having a Summer Palace in (or just driving the Imperial Palace to) the Summer Islands (or just conquer the Summer Islands) is a great idea. Perfect for a bit of sexy time with Lya too, to get those heirs. I do think that whatever heirs he has will be genetically/magically engineered to kingdom come for resiliency, intelligence and wisdom. No reason not to spend fifteen wishes on making sure your heir is the best it can be.
 
Well.. that got me thinking.

We all agree that baby dragons are the best babies, correct?

So clearly if Lya and Viserys switch genders, Lya then polymorphs and fertilizes Viserys we can get baby dragons!


Prudes might spontaneously combust. Great Plan. Good Plan.
 
Duesal said:
That's not really the best argument for this. Sure, other party members have good social skills, but this is who Malarys is. He was trained as a Valyrian Lawyer. It makes no sense for him to lose skillpoints in social skills. You don't become more socially inept just through a bit of inner reflection.

This is a big reason I'm suggesting a custom PrC. Sure, Justicar might be terrible mechanically, but retaining the social skills is too much for a lot of us. If there's an option to take Contemplative without retraining those skills there would be a lot less resistance.
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Yeah, taking the social out of Malarys would make him lesser as a character, its part of what he is.
 
Azel said:
@Goldfish, Malarys is, as we speak, in Pentos recruiting spies. Then he will go on to reform our Lawmen and root out a traitor. And next month he is going to recruit more spies for our internal security agency.

So with all due respect, it is retarded to tank his social skills now.
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I disagree. Those tasks would make use of Sense Motive, which wasn't being touched.
 
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