Hmm.
Insect constructs?
Something that looks, sound and acts like a mosquito?
Make a hudnred of these, send them out, wait for leftovers to come back.
Chances are, they'll have bitten someone we wanted.
Get the blood off them.
??????????
Profit!
 
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Also, I just realized that Viserys used a 7th Circle spell to do the equivalent of a cheap stage magician trick for his mother, without actually using any sleight of hand.

I am imagining a comedy of errors here involving street performers.
 
Also, we probably should present Bloodraven with using this staff as a possibility.
I'm pretty sure he'd grab the opportunity with all limbs, if he had them.

He deals with generally the same asshats we do, but also has far more resources dedicated to Westeros than we do.
And we aren't likely to use this staff anytime soon anyway :/
 
Also, we probably should present Bloodraven with using this staff as a possibility.
I'm pretty sure he'd grab the opportunity with all limbs, if he had them.

He deals with generally the same asshats we do, but also has far more resources dedicated to Westeros than we do.
And we aren't likely to use this staff anytime soon anyway :/
I like Bloodraven too, but he's not getting the staff. This is ours, and we're going to keep it around until Lya can finally get around to studying it.

Instead of the staff, we can Smoky Confinement some Leshys and other things to bring north to serve him.
 
You didn't peer past the obvious logical fallacy in my post @Paradosi. I did not say that the substance in the terminology differed in reality from the other one, just that the State intentionally attempts to separate personal choice with only one obvious conclusion.

"You will change."

Not: "You may change."
 
Alt. Uses of Bestow Curse has a compilation of possible uses. Betow curse adds 1 age category. The Greater version can add 2

EDIT: it comes form Dragon Magazine 348 I think

Are you saying regular bestow curse could let us insta grow the gorgocows? Unless ofcourse DP rules this as only allowed if negative impact.

Wait, this should mean it is within the scope of Limited Wish to add 1 age category! Fully grown crossbreeds ahoy!
 
I like Bloodraven too, but he's not getting the staff. This is ours, and we're going to keep it around until Lya can finally get around to studying it.

Instead of the staff, we can Smoky Confinement some Leshys and other things to bring north to serve him.
...I didn't say we'd give it to him.
He'd only tell us if he needs such help and we'd come.
But he most certainly won't if he doesn't know we can send no-save curses for him.
 
Are you saying regular bestow curse could let us insta grow the gorgocows? Unless ofcourse DP rules this as only allowed if negative impact.

Wait, this should mean it is within the scope of Limited Wish to add 1 age category! Fully grown crossbreeds ahoy!
DP ruled it could only have a negative impact. We could do it, but it explicitly has to be bad for the creature in question.

And that's why it's perfect for the magical leather industry. ;) We get a nonsentient creature, breed it, curse the offspring, then curse and harvest. Rinse and repeat.
I really doubt it. It woud allow for too broken things if that were the case.
You're probably right. :(
...I didn't say we'd give it to him.
He'd only tell us if he needs such help and we'd come.
But he most certainly won't if he doesn't know we can send no-save curses for him.
I also don't want to share.
 
I honestly think we're already in bed with Brynden enough. I think a lot of the reason why he has not really asked us to do anything for him is that one: It risks Winter acting up in a serious manner. And two: It risks Viserys too closely associating with his conspiracy.

We're the obvious threat out in the open. We're his decoy, basically, in all of his enemies' faces and the obvious and present threat.

He's operating from the shadows using us as a smokescreen. And we're benefiting from it because he's, from his point of view, doing us a favor and dealing with traitors and obstructionist asshats.

Classic Bloodraven.
 
We might as well invent a word or term for it ourselves, @Crake. It has to be subtle, subtle enough that peeps take the kool-aid and ask for seconds.
 
I'm fine with helping Brynden out when he approaches us. Because it raises the possibility of him helping us out.

Yes, I want to stay on a favor for favor basis with someone with the reputation he has. This is not illogical. I like Brynden, but I don't trust him enough to do something for him pro-bono. If something I do for him ends up fucking me over due to keikaku doori, I at least want to advance my own goals at the same time.

Neither of us can complain if what we do with the information/favor he gives us runs counter to his goals if what he asks us to do runs counter to our own in some way. It keeps our relationship sensible: only asking for a helping hand when it really matters.
 
DP ruled it could only have a negative impact. We could do it, but it explicitly has to be bad for the creature in question.

Thinking on it, if we could BloodWish 1 age up category per casting, we woule still need to wait X months for the 2nd gen to calve anyway.

Edit: Using the BW spell outside the scope of aging curse, id accept a risk of 'falls to dust' if its a low chance.

Besides spending a few days worth of spellslots on it makes it a risk if something happens. I just feel like this is needed if we ever want animal husbandry to become relevant compared to constructs. @DragonParadox
 
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Fer fecks sake, we wouldn't be sharing, we'd be helping him out if he needs such help!
I mean, that's not even a given he'll need to send out such a curse on someone!
Or that he'll have the reagents (and that we'll certainly leave for him to find)

He fights the same fucknuggets we'll have to fight once we set out to Westeros. The more sucess Bloodraen has, the easier it'll be for us.
Yeah, I'm not interested. He's doing fine with what he's got. We're already helping him out, we're regularly growing Tier-3 Weirwood Heart Trees and increasing his sway among the Old Gods since he was the one who negotiated with us. I'm pretty firmly against sharing (yes, sharing) the Staff of Ages. Those charges are precious and should be spent on our enemies (we have more of those than the ones in Westeros). Bloodraven's got his end under control.
 
Yeah, I'm not interested. He's doing fine with what he's got. We're already helping him out, we're regularly growing Tier-3 Weirwood Heart Trees and increasing his sway among the Old Gods since he was the one who negotiated with us. I'm pretty firmly against sharing (yes, sharing) the Staff of Ages. Those charges are precious and should be spent on our enemies (we have more of those than the ones in Westeros). Bloodraven's got his end under control.
I changed my mind and deleted the post before you answered, so it doesn't count :p
 
Not that he would admit if he didn't, but he would still find a way to get us to solve a problem if it was something only we could do, and make us do it ungrudgingly by offering up something in return... which is exactly the state of affairs that I want.

I don't think Brynden has it in him to be trustworthy. There's a part of his nature that a magical sword of a simple but completely abiding and ironclad disposition could sense about him intrinsically: Bloodraven always has an agenda, and it isn't your agenda.

Brynden has learned though. If he really wants to help us, he's best off doing it from the shadows, because he straight up told us having ourselves assoicated with him would do more harm than good. And the more our dealings cross with each other when it isn't necessary, the more likely for precognition to link the two of us together--another reason why we haven't seen many team-ups.
 
Part MDCCCLXXIV: Life's Blooming
Life's Blooming

Fifth Day of the Second Month 293 AC

"How might your people react to an incarnate spirit of the land speaking to them?" you ask cautiously. The bloom-begotten spirit certainly serves a important purpose training initiates for the scholarum, but if one could ween the Dothraki of the worst of their excesses that would serve even better.

"Depends on what it says, doesn't it?" Rhango asks taking a long drink from his wine-skin. "Never met a man who likes being told he's wrong yet, and there's a lot of ways to argue 'round whatever this spirit looks like..."

"I'm not expecting miracles," you explain. "Do you think it would help?"

"Can the thing take enough of a beating at need?" comes the question you probably should have expected.

"It will be guarded, but if it comes to it..." As you consider the eldritch resiliency of the diminutive incarnates you realize a man would have quite the task killing one unless he used fire. "It won't die to a stiff wind."

"Good," the old khal nods firmly. "If any fool does take a swing I'll hand you his head myself. Just needed to be sure what I stand to lose. Can't really conjure up another one of these 'spirits' to replace it if it should come to it." The words more than any seem to embody the man who spoke them, admirable for his wits and practicality, and yet possessed of the same unthinking callousness about anyone outside kin and blood-sworn kith as the rest of his people.

"We have an agreement, then," you reply, taking extra note to tell Vee that she should not be gentle in her visits. "Mortal mages will come to ride with you in time," you offer vaguely to keep from plucking the threads of fate and foresight needlessly.

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Sixth Day of the Second Month 293 AC

On your return home you are greeted by Lya bearing the familiar weary but satisfied smile of a job well done. The cause is not just for binding Aebys, who now lies coiled about her throat like a necklace of living gold, but another task long in the making. "It's done. Selyse is pregnant... In fact, I think I may have overdone it a bit," she finishes sheepishly.

"How do you overdo..." For a moment you worry that something had gone wrong, but then the answer comes to you. "Twins, is it? Well that's hardly unusual hereabouts."

"Three, not two," Lya admits. "They are both happy about it, but it does mean she will need to be very careful and will require magic when the day comes due."

"I can't imagine not having a healer or even two or three present regardless," you assure her. Lya could be rather hard on herself over perceived imperfections in her work. "I'm sure they will be the best babes ever begotten."

"Better than..." she begins to ask idly before falling silent, blushing furiously.

You would have to be an utter fool not to guess what she almost said: Better than ours? You find yourself abruptly discomfited, half-fearing that you would stutter if you spoke. Garin and Selyse aside you cannot think of a worst time to be considering children with foes seemingly about every corner, yet can you...?

Your thoughts come to a sudden stop as Lya comes closer and puts a finger to your lips. "I know. Don't worry about it... really don't."

"Is that an order, Wisdom Lya?" you ask archly.

"Why yes... yes it is," she replies, coming closer still. "In fact I can think of a few other orders to give."

Much, much later as you quietly lie abed you realize that it is your nameday today. You are seven-and-ten. What an excellent gift to share with one whom you love.

OOC: Now would be a good time for Malarys' level up since the natural end point of this update does not have a vote. If anyone is wondering why Viserys has not had his nameday celebrated since the quest started, its because the notion is tainted by memories of Aerys and the feasts he would call for at the Red Keep. Rhaella wanted to make one this year but Dany explained that Viserys is not comfortable with them.
 
On your return home you are greeted by Lya bearing the familiar weary but satisfied smile of a job well done. The cause is not just for binding Aebys, who now lies coiled about her throat like a necklace of living gold, but another task long in the making.
@DragonParadox, can you tell us what the mystery box for Aebys was supposed to be?
Lya loses Template Agathion Invested (Silvanshe)

Lya is less ambivalent about the parting though her sadness is tempered by the understanding that it is a kindness to Azerion and not least by the treasure-trove of lore contained in the tower. The fact that the passage of centuries and the Listener's brief stewardship has left everything in shambles requiring months of concerted effort to even account for all that is there only spurs her on as she works closely beside Xor and the wyrm-like servitor Aebys

Does a Familiar bond develop between Lya and Aebys?

[] Yes (Improved Familiar must be taken as 9th level feat ???)
EDIT: Also, we're going to need to add that to her charactersheet. And add the Improved Familiar ritual to the other rituals.
 
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