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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Paradosi said:
By standard D&D prices, just about everything's overpriced.

We might as well pack up and head off back to SD, cause it's not gonna get any better, even if people have this odd idea that the other merchants aren't going to try and rob us blind.
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No, they are literally overpriced. A breeding pair costs 1,300 D&D gold, but here they are 1,180 Scepters. One IM is worth 5 D&D gold. One Scepter is worth 2 IM.

That means we would essentially be paying 11,800 gold for them, rather than 1,300.

Way the hell overpriced.
 
Azel said:
Thing is, I don't see any of those benefits. The idea to use them for identification rolls is pure speculation. DP never said we could do that.
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I think TNE just took what the Ceru do as what the Ceru do. Why would DP offer the Ceru in the first place if we can't use them as such?

Sqweaktoy said:
It's more the odd idea that it's ridiculous for them to attempt it when we should logically be haggling for good prices on account of being a rather exceptional merchant ourselves that is bothering people, I think.
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I'm still not sure why no one opted to haggle. DP never said we couldn't, and the "Write-in" option seems open-ended?
 
Paradosi said:
I think TNE just took what the Ceru do as what the Ceru do. Why would DP offer the Ceru in the first place if we can't use them as such?

I'm still not sure why no one opted to haggle. DP never said we couldn't, and the "Write-in" option seems open-ended?
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In one of his posts this morning, DP has literally said the only dealer willing to haggle at all is the Ankheg salescreature.
 
Goldfish said:
No, they are literally overpriced. A breeding pair costs 1,300 D&D gold, but here they are 1,180 Scepters. One IM is worth 5 D&D gold. One Scepter is worth 2 IM.

That means we would essentially be paying 11,800 gold for them, rather than 1,300.

Way the hell overpriced.
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I am aware. There has to be a reason for that though, as I doubt DP just came up with the numbers arbitrarily. @DragonParadox?

Still, if all this is overpriced and we hit this on a crit, what are the chances we'll find better elsewhere?
 
Goldfish said:
In one of his posts this morning, DP has literally said the only dealer willing to haggle at all is the Ankheg salescreature.
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Alright, well, either Opaline Vault is full of the dumbest merchants in all the planes... or there's a reason everything's so horribly overpriced here. Is the whole multiv-planar/multiversal cataclysm at fault?
 
Paradosi said:
I am aware. There has to be a reason for that though, as I doubt DP just came up with the numbers arbitrarily. @DragonParadox?

Still, if all this is overpriced and we hit this on a crit, what are the chances we'll find better elsewhere?
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100 freaking percent. The Opaline Vault is a city populated with 6,000,000 sentient beings, a recognized extraplanar trading hub, and it's full to the brim with magic. It is virtually impossible for us to not find a better deal on something here, once we actually, you know, look around instead of blowing all of our funds on the first interesting thing put in front of us.
 
I mean, I can dig the idea of buying the 3 stallions, 'gifting' them to our Dothraki and have a decent herd in ~15 years. Or we use the money to help us solve problems in 15 weeks.
 
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[X] Buy Nothing

Let's spend money on things we can use! Or quality of life items for the party. Tools, not people that we have to set up ways for then to provide for themselves and see to their needs.
 
Goldfish said:
100 freaking percent. The Opaline Vault is a city populated with 6,000,000 sentient beings, a recognized extraplanar trading hub, and it's full to the brim with magic. It is virtually impossible for us to not find a better deal on something here, once we actually, you know, look around instead of blowing all of our funds on the first interesting thing put in front of us.
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Look at this logically. If we rolled a crit, only for it to overcharge us 10 or 11 times over, why assume it would not be the same elsewhere?

Goldfish said:
The Ceru merchant is charging us NINE times what he should. If that isn't gouging, nothing is.
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You are looking at it from the perspective of vanilla D&D, when this is strictly not a vanilla D&D setting. The whole multiverse was fucked something fierce. Fuck's sake, the Plane of Balance has been cut off for who knows how long, it's practically myth.
 
Crake said:
Three heads snaked above their heads, six pairs of eyes set aglow
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Three head with six pairs of eyes? Four eyes per head?

Azel said:
Thing is thar the Ceru are vastly overpriced too.
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Goldfish said:
Way the hell overpriced.
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DP already explained why.

DragonParadox said:
If it's the prices... well this is the place gold and jewels do occasionally grow on trees. the Opaline Vault has high prices to compensate for its sheer variety and wealth of trade.
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These prices would probably be the same for everything else on these markets. So with this stinginess, we'll probably end up not buying anything at allall waiting for opportunities that won't come, or will come out after several turns negotiating with house Ajhar.
 
What I don't get is, DP, buying creatures, which is something you were apparently sort of looking forward to, is something that can only be considered a vanity project. Something to put coin towards which will not have tangible benefits for the most part, without a lot of attention and time investment put towards it.

And the logic you used for the high prices is that the Trade Hub... the multi-planar trade hub, would have more exorbitantly expensive prices, even using the local, state backed currency to make the deals in.

We would buy more stuff, probably varied and not game unbalancing, if the pricing was more realistic. Making it so that we're getting gouged unbelievably, like paying nearly 10,000 GP more than market value for a breeding pair of Cerus? I knew we were being gouged, but by that much?

I'm sure you were disappointed that so many didn't want to buy anything, but I sincerely doubt you were surprised: it's almost like you didn't want us to buy anything.
 
Paradosi said:
You are looking at it from the perspective of vanilla D&D, when this is strictly not a vanilla D&D setting. The whole multiverse was fucked something fierce. Fuck's sake, the Plane of Balance has been cut off for who knows how long, and it's practically myth.
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So what? The Ceru aren't some endangered species cut off from their home Plane. They are lab grown magical creatures, made specifically for the purpose of being sold. The Planes getting fucked has no impact on that.
 
Crake said:
What I don't get is, DP, buying creatures, which is something you were apparently sort of looking forward to, is something that can only be considered a vanity project. Something to put coin towards which will not have tangible benefits for the most part, without a lot of attention and time investment put towards it.

And the logic you used for the high prices is that the Trade Hub... the multi-planar trade hub, would have more exorbitantly expensive prices, even using the local, state backed currency to make the deals in.

We would buy more stuff, probably varied and not game unbalancing, if the pricing was more realistic. Making it so that we're getting gouged unbelievably, like paying nearly 10,000 GP more than market value for a breeding pair of Cerus? I knew we were being gouged, but by that much?

I'm sure you were disappointed that so many didn't want to buy anything, but I sincerely doubt you were surprised: it's almost like you didn't want us to buy anything.
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I've made the argument multiple times before that DP puts vanity projects in front of us as a deliberate means of draining our resources, because he knows people will vote form them. Otherwise, we start looking into building WMDs and the like.
 
Goldfish said:
So what? The Ceru aren't some endangered species cut off from their home Plane. They are lab grown magical creatures, made specifically for the purpose of being sold. The Planes getting fucked has no impact on that.
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For all we know, the know-how on how to make them is even more exclusive here.

Also, as Takesis just said, to assume we will get better prices elsewhere is silly. The Opaline Vault in its entirety seems to run on overcharge 101.
 
I still can't believe that merchant is trying to offload those things for that much over market value... that's the kind of price you throw at the completely uninitiated, not a Half-Dragon merchant prince.

It's like he wants us to laugh in his face.
 
If focusing trade into large hubs made prices skyrocket like that, trading hubs wouldn't be a thing.
I get that Gold and jewels are gravel here, but we are trading in their money, massively inflated prices where supply and variety are highest makes no economic sense.
 
Paradosi said:
Also, as Takesis just said, to assume we will get better prices elsewhere is silly. The Opaline Vault in its entirety seems to run on overcharge 101.
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Which doesn't make even the slightest bit of sense AT ALL. I don't know what DP is playing at here, but it seems like he's trying to make us never want to come back to this otherwise amazing place.
 
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Alright, I agree that the overcharge 101 theme that seems to be prevalent in the Opaline Vault is silly, so perhaps we should ask DP's reasoning on this?
 
The more I think about how economics have been handled around here, the saltier I get. This is the reason we need to standardize values. And even that might not be enough, since even DP doesn't quite understand that with this much competition, in a city of six million people, with this much business going on, prices should be waaay lower than they are now.
 
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