@DragonParadox, I think you are scratching on a more fundamental problem there. Our accounting is pretty rough in all areas.

Maybe we should solve this more fundamentally. @Tomcost and me tried to do so in the past, but we would need a bite more support from you there. Especially since this is now reaching the point where we should discuss budgets, not individual wages.

*sigh*

I know. It's just accounting is not very fun for me. I want to write a story not balance budgets. For now how does 600 Gold a year sound for Leila, so it's neatly divisible by 12? That comes out a 50 a month.
 
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*sigh*

I know. It's just accounting is not very fun for me. I want to write a story not balance budgets, For now how does 600 Gold a year sound for Leila, so it's neatly divisible by 12? That comes out a 50 a month.

That seems reasonable. I wonder if she knows what to do with that much money (particularly if she's living in the keep and doesn't need to pay for housing or servants).

Oh, before I forget, how far along is Asha on her "earn enough to buy a ship" plan?
 
Maybe we should solve this more fundamentally. @Tomcost and me tried to do so in the past, but we would need a bite more support from you there. Especially since this is now reaching the point where we should discuss budgets, not individual wages.
Since Leila is our only non-Lya enchanter there's little point in abstracting that away in a budget quite yet.
 
*sigh*

I know. It's just accounting is not very fun for me. I want to write a story not balance budgets, For now how does 600 Gold a year sound for Leila, so it's neatly divisible by 12? That comes out a 50 a month.
But it is for me and I think @Tomcost agrees. :V

I wanted to propose that we come up with something more comprehensive and just badger you with a few details, like average wages or expected profits for some ventures.
 
Resist the budget demons DP! :p

If we could spend a little Lya time on dedicated Stone Shape Constructs. Or set aside time for the StoneFey to erect a minor fief on the isle, we enoble Leila and she cant leave, genius!


So, is Reader (Harlow Greyjoy right?) still alive in regency on the Iron Isles?

Because he sounds like wizarding material, and an octopus would be the perfect familiar.
 
Since Leila is our only non-Lya enchanter there's little point in abstracting that away in a budget quite yet.
We do have more healers though. What about them? Or the +1 smiths? Do the costs for our ships line up? What will ACSEC need as a cash reserve to operate?

We have a lot of stuff going on that needs some rough planning. See the salt about the price for the arena as an example for why it matters.
 
@DragonParadox Here's Theon's character sheet. There are a lot of ??? where I didn't have the info from the basic sheet to fill in the blanks.

Name: Theon Greyjoy
Age: ???
Alignment: ???
Race: Human (Medium Humanoid)
Level:
3 (???)
Class: Mystic Ranger 3
Feats: Deadly Aim, Knowledge Devotion, Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot, Track, Wild Cohort
Flaws: Vain, Loudmouth
Class Features: Arcane Hunter (Favoured Enemy: Arcanists), Shadow Sword Ranger (Endurance -> Walk in Silence)
Favored Enemies: Arcanists (Arcane spells or SLAS/Invocations)
Languages Spoken: Westerosi Common, ???

Description: ???

HP: ???
AC: 10 + 2 (DEX) + ??? = 12
Initiative: +2 (DEX)
Attack: +3(BAB) [+2 (DEX) = +5] or [+3 (STR) = +6]
Spell Save: DC: 10 + 3 (CHA) + spell level
Weapon Proficiency: Longbow, ???

STATS:
14 + 2 = 16 (+3) Strength
15 (+2) Dexterity
12 (+1) Constitution
17 (+3) Charisma
12 (+1) Intelligence
10 (+0) Wisdom

SAVES:
FORTITUDE: 3 + 1 = 4
REFLEX: 3 + 2 = 5
WILL: 1

SKILLS:
Balance:
5 + 2 (DEX) = 7
Heal: 1 + 0 (WIS) = 1
Knowledge (Arcana): 1 + 1 (INT) = 2
Knowledge (Dungeoneering): 6 +1 (INT) = 7
Knowledge (Local): 6 + 1 (INT) = 7
Knowledge (Nature): 6 +1 (INT) = 7
Knowledge (The Planes): 1 + 1 (INT) = 2
Knowledge (Religion): 1 + 1 (INT) = 2
Profession (Sailor): 6 + 0 (WIS) = 6
Spot: 5 + 0 (WIS) = 5
Survival: 6 + 0 (WIS) = 6
Swim: 1 + 3 (STR) = 4

Prepared Spells (Caster Level 3):
Level 0 (2/day): Light, Mending
Level 1 (3/day): Hunter's Mercy, Guided Shot, Hawkeye

Equipment: +2 Belt of Strength, Dragonbone Bow
 
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Theon should be 4th level now too.

We haven't had his level up vote yet. When do you think that'll be ready for a vote @DragonParadox?

Here's my current level up plan for Theon.

[] Theon Level Up
-[] Class: +1 Mystic Ranger
-[] Attribute: +1 Dexterity
-[] Skills (8 points): +1 Profession(Sailor), +1 Survival, +1 Swim, +2 Spot, +3 Knowledge(Arcana),
-[] Spell Loadout:
--[] 0 Level (3/day): Cure Minor Wounds, Light, Mending
--[] 1st Level (3/day): Guided Shot, Hawkeye, Hunter's Mercy
--[] 2nd Level (2/day): Cat's Grace, Swift Haste
 
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@DragonParadox since it looks like you're looking ahead at the money stuff for the turn, I want to suggest separating the main turn vote from the fleet redeployment vote. It got swallowed entirely last month, and while we kept trying to get back to it, things worked against us (it was mainly Essaria). You could combine it with our increasing legionnaires for a "military report/deployment update." It would give you a space to keep us informed on that kind of stuff.

It might be a good vote to put up before the full turn vote as you get that hulk ready, as if we decide we want to do something special with a single ship or something, that's a lot easier to slip into a turn vote than remember we need to actually take a look at our fleet deployment.
 
@DragonParadox since it looks like you're looking ahead at the money stuff for the turn, I want to suggest separating the main turn vote from the fleet redeployment vote. It got swallowed entirely last month, and while we kept trying to get back to it, things worked against us (it was mainly Essaria). You could combine it with our increasing legionnaires for a "military report/deployment update." It would give you a space to keep us informed on that kind of stuff.

It might be a good vote to put up before the full turn vote as you get that hulk ready, as if we decide we want to do something special with a single ship or something, that's a lot easier to slip into a turn vote than remember we need to actually take a look at our fleet deployment.

Also, @DragonParadox, even if the turn isn't quite over yet, it would be awesome if you could put next turn's schedule options up today. While I'm at work tomorrow it will be almost impossible to help on it at all. I assume it's like that for a few other people as well.
 
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  • [X] Speak to the Children of the Forest about their plans
    -[X] Try to find out what they might want besides being here and seeing human lands. Ask for the reasons for their dwindling population. If it's something related to fertility or something else you can help with assure you'll work on a way. Either way, saving their race from extinction means more younglings one way or another.
    -[X] Meanwhile try to find out if they can use any magic, either inherently or from the Old Gods and if either of that could be taught to humans.
    -[X] Get a rough understanding of the skills and abilities they have. Soft Strider, for example, is an able Ranger. What of the others?
    -[X] Ask what manner of housing they prefer, we can produce almost anything, though a full forest would be difficult on these islands.
 
@DragonParadox I made a typo on Theon's character sheet. His Track feat is mistakenly spelled as Tracl. No hurry, but if you could fix it next time you edit the front page I should be able to avoid becoming more of a crazy person than I already am.
 
You know I just realized you are not paying Leila anything when her crafting services are going to become ever more important for suiting up arcanums and secondary parties. What would you guys say is fair monthly pay for an enchanter of her skill?
I love this idea, and I think that this conversation (and any ceremony) should be done IC!
 
@Diomedon, the thing is that ship deployment is already rather complex.

We would need to know how much profit you can make per ton of cargo on given routes, the upkeep per ship and sailor, and how the traffic through the Stepstones looks to make a informed choice about deployment.
 
@Diomedon, the thing is that ship deployment is already rather complex.

We would need to know how much profit you can make per ton of cargo on given routes, the upkeep per ship and sailor, and how the traffic through the Stepstones looks to make a informed choice about deployment.

It is complex, but we're abstracting it to some degree with the trade fleet/war fleet division and the "what places do you trade between," decision, since DP doesn't want to run Full Business Simulator Quest.

The decisions, as far as I can tell, are:
How many ships in each fleet?
For the trade fleet, what ports do we regularly go to (this is somewhat a distance/risk issue, but mainly is political)?
For the battle fleet, what are we mainly having them do, and in what subdivisions (raiding, patrolling, in port for repair and refit, troop transport)?
If raiding, what target selection are we using?
 
@Diomedon, one of the major concerns I've got is if Salladhor or someone else tries to court Leila and manages to convince her to leave Sorcerer's Deep. This is less about paying her wages and more about showing her that here she's truly valued and important. As part of that I want to pay Leila generously. Way more generously than 120 IM per year.

@DragonParadox, could we name Leila as Lya's official and foremost assistant as a part of this? Give her a formal title to boot.
I don't think that would be a problem with Leila, not that I'm not all for paying her well, but her loyalty to us has nothing to do with what we pay her, she's loyal because we saved her from a slaver that used her to demonstrate torture tools, and taught her magic, something as petty as someone else being ready to pay her more, is unlikely to make her want to leave our service.

Not that this mean we shouldn't pay her well for her work, but it do mean that we shouldn't worry about her loyalty in what we teach her, Leila is one of the least likely to leave our service.

I fully support paying Leila 600 IM a year she certainly deserves it, I just want to point out she's not working for us for the gold, the gold is just a nice bonus to her, I don't think we should talk about one of our most loyal subjects, as if a mere better paid job could tempt her to leave our service.
 
Part MDCLXX: A Song Just Beginning
A Song Just Beginning

Twenty-Sixth Day of the Twelfth Month 292 AC

Seeking the Children of the Forest you find that Alinor has offered them the highest guest chamber in the keep, which they had insisted on sharing, arguing that being small they would have little cause to spread out into rooms meant for men. As much as you can guess the motives of such odd beings you would think they desired to stay together in such unfamiliar environs.

As dozens of golden eyes peer a your from the twilight of the chamber you realize that their bearers are quite agitated for some reason, not fearful or wary... perhaps restless.

"Filled with wonder is the world of man," Soft Strider says with the aid of a blessing of tongues. "But also filled with the comings and goings, noise like a rushing river through the mountains fit to carry song and singer forever into the sea. Though the desire to look upon these workings fortifies me against the din my fellows are not so fortunate..." A small sigh. "Even the peace of the Godswoods is given over to the swift song of man and rightly so for these are realms for man to live in and those who would dwell as he does, but our hearts are moved to softer slower tides."

"You would desire a godswood for your own to live in, somewhere beyond the city and its distractions but near enough that you may visit?" you try to untangle the riot of a metaphor.

"Just so it is, these strange warm lands have not seen our like in many an age but once when the forests were wider even here did we walk, before the Hammer of the Waters struck in desperation," she replies.

"Is it only the coming of man that drove you do grow so few and to hide away your faces from the sun?" you ask, struggling for some approximation of her manner of speaking so as not to seem 'hasty' in an already bewildering world.

"There were never many of us though our years are long and so each loss hurt us deeply. As we were scattered as seeds upon the wind, so too did the tribes that were kindred lose each other and many withered for they had no mates to choose but their siblings." You could swear the slow blink she gives you is embarrassed, but you do not comment.

"What of you who have dared the journey? Does your blood flow too close?" The magics of the flesh-smiths might offer an answer to that riddle, you think, though of course the greater question is would they break the dictates of the Old Gods even so?

"We are far enough in blood that there is a chance, though a slender one, that we might in time grow in numbers," Soft Strider replies to your relief. "For guesting and a home where we might rest we can offer but little I fear, strength and skill in the wild, and whatever small songs we might in time come to sing with the gods."

Children of the Forest Trait Discovered: Guardians of Nature: Given enough time any of the Singers may become Rangers or Druids through communion with the Old Gods.


"Would you desire to learn also the magics of man?" you ask

"To sing the songs of your kindred... I am not sure if such a thing can be done, but," a soft smile passes her lips. "Given enough time living side by side I am certain someone will attempt it. To be curious is what separates the Singers whether they sing in the True Tongue or not from the plants and the beasts that know only the Song of their being."

What do you reply to Soft Strider's request?

[] Write in

OOC: Sorry this took so long. Trying to convey nervousness through the lens of an alien outlook is tricky.
 
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