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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Goldfish said:
Unfortunately, Valyrian Dragons are not terribly useful underwater, nor are Fleshrakers. :(
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I bet it's easier to teach a Fleshraker to swim than to tie a balloon to the Tarrasque :V

Also, we should pump Theon's Knowledge Arcana due Knowledge Devotion. He gets a bonus class skill due KD, might as well be Arcana.
Diomedon said:
so she could get a starter ship,
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Am I the only one that loves being the quest giving npc?

I can absolutely imagine Aisha!Quest. Figuring out Jon's a Mage, ultimately deciding to cut it lose and go adventuring by running from the Starks, the infamous "An Unexpected Offer" update where the Dread Sorcerer King shows up from out of nowhere that left fallen trees and salted earth in its wake.

And now the players probably get in a tizzy over turn votes to save up cash to buy magical gear and their Very Own Ship from the local universal NPC. "Let's buy a small galley already! It's a bigger cut and more freedom!", some say. "Sailing with Moonsong's is awesome and gives great loot!"' others rebuke.
Goldfish said:
-[X] Offer Theon a bow made from Dragonbone, though you are operating on a rather tight schedule for at least the next two months, so it might be a bit until you can enchant it for him.
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We can have it +1 no problem, just pay a Mage-smith.
Goldfish said:
We know the truth. Devils don't sleep.

You got caught up reading legal contracts again, didn't you? :p
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Hey, no judging!

I get caught up reading handbooks and rulebooks :oops:
 
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So, I looked more into multi-lingual empires, and it's not looking super great. It's definitely a major stumbling block to polity unification. I'm not sure we want two official languages.

So what should the language of our court and administration be? I think Low Valyrian has a pretty solid case at this point. It's spoken across most of Essos, and is already the common language of our party, and is likely what most of our paperwork is in since our steward is a native speaker. It's also a jumping off point for learning our version of magic, which is mostly derived from and written in High Valyrian.

Beyond that, it also permits the Westerosi noble class to buy in, as most noble education in Westeros includes training in High Valyrian, which serves as a jumping off point for them to learn it. Essosi, outside of reasons of trade, lack similar reasons to have a bridge language already known.

In shorter, more practical terms, we're still going to have to have a good number of our legionnaire officers at the very least learn Westerosi common, but I think the Valyrian hegemony of yesteryear has laid the groundwork for Low Valyrian as the common language of our Empire.
 
I would argue in schools, High Valyrian should be a primary language course, with Draconic being a secondary language course.

Speaking High Valyrian allows you to sort of muddle through all of the individual dialects without much difficulty, to the point that just a bit of immersion with local speakers will give you an understanding of the dialect in that area. It's also, as you said, the language of magic in written and spoken form we've been using.

I argue for Draconic as a secondary language over Westerosi because it is likely to be spoken in many places across the planes. One could argue that a course like Ignan/Terran/Aquan/Auran would be more suitable, since at least in the elemental planes and quasi-elemental ones, one language can parse through any of the other primordial derived tongues. But these seem more well suited to be learned by tradesmen, ambassadors/envoys and high officers (political or otherwise).

Edit: Speaking of state-run schools, right now, educators are mostly just learned men/private tutors who charge quite a bit, and usually only contracted to teach a smaller number of students 1 on 1. Meaning costs for employing them to educate the unwashed masses would probably be even higher, if only to discourage you from bothering.

Which is why I think we can brute force 'break through' the cost barrier on widespread education by utilizing Arcanums for at least the first generation of schools, then draw heavily from learned men who have studied in (also subsidized) universities to educate the same people they basically used to be.

The price of employing education will inevitably go down as literacy rates rise and the cultural attachment to knowledge valuation is equated less like a luxury service and more like a civic duty.
 
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As noticed by Viserys when talking to the Bey of Beggars, Draconic does not have forms of address that would be considered servile, or less so than whatever the main languages in MS have anyway.

I think i'd prefer Draconic for that reason.
 
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I also would support Draconic.

Mostly because if enough people learn it, sooner or later one of our mages will figure out how to become a Dracolexi.
 
Crake said:
I would argue in schools, High Valyrian should be a primary language course, with Draconic being a secondary language course.

Speaking High Valyrian allows you to sort of muddle through all of the individual dialects without much difficulty, to the point that just a bit of immersion with local speakers will give you an understanding of the dialect in that area. It's also, as you said, the language of magic in written and spoken form we've been using.

I argue for Draconic as a secondary language over Westerosi because it is likely to be spoken in many places across the planes. One could argue that a course like Ignan/Terran/Aquan/Auran would be more suitable, since at least in the elemental planes and quasi-elemental ones, one language can parse through any of the other primordial derived tongues. But these seem more well suited to be learned by tradesmen, ambassadors/envoys and high officers (political or otherwise).

Edit: Speaking of state-run schools, right now, educators are mostly just learned men/private tutors who charge quite a bit, and usually only contracted to teach a smaller number of students 1 on 1. Meaning costs for employing them to educate the unwashed masses would probably be even higher, if only to discourage you from bothering.

Which is why I think we can brute force 'break through' the cost barrier on widespread education by utilizing Arcanums for at least the first generation of schools, then draw heavily from learned men who have studied in (also subsidized) universities to educate the same people they basically used to be.

The price of employing education will inevitably go down as literacy rates rise and the cultural attachment to knowledge valuation is equated less like a luxury service and more like a civic duty.
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I am going to do that thing again I do and somehow, someway add Kung Fu. You doubt me? (3.5, Discipline) Open Your Mind, Open Your Eyes, Open Your Senses (P.E.A.C.H.) [3.5] Scholar base class+Plain History ToB school=adventuring teacher!
 
Artemis1992 said:
I also would support Draconic.

Mostly because if enough people learn it, sooner or later one of our mages will figure out how to become a Dracolexi.
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*Reads class.* Screw pride in oneself for subjects using the language, that class is now why :D.

CL healing on anyone, once per day per person?
Dracolexi – Class – D&D Tools
For those that looked at the link, my preferences would be:
1st: learn or rest. Prefer learn (grants the target a competence bonus on Knowledge checks and Spellcraft checks equal to your class level for 1 hour.)
4th: prolong (healed of 1 point of damage per caster level. If you speak this word as part of a spell, you can choose instead to extend the spell (as if you had applied the Extend Spell feat), but without any adjustment in spell slot or casting time.)
7th: replenish (The target regains one spell slot (but not a slot that held a prepared spell) of the highest level of arcane spell it can cast spontaneously)
10th: burn (deals 5d6 points of fire damage to the target. If you speak the word as part of a spell with the fire descriptor, you can choose instead either to empower or widen the spell (as if you had applied the Empower Spell feat or the Widen Spell feat), but without any adjustment in spell slot or casting time.)

No thoughts on the spells granted to pick.

If we get stuck with a character being another Sorc; this class might be fun to play with.

level 9 before they get the heal word though... (8 ranks arcana, 2nd level spontaneous arcane spells needed for class entry)
 
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I would like this class for Rhaella, though working with Lya to get Ultimate Magus would be nice and fitting too.

Of course that's all dependant on her being able to retrain those useless Aristocrat levels and breaking the NPC-barrier.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I would like this class for Rhaella, though working with Lya to get Ultimate Magus would be nice and fitting too.

Of course that's all dependant on her being able to retrain those useless Aristocrat levels and breaking the NPC-barrier.
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Something something Bloodline, something something Rough Context Shift = trauma, trauma = power. Something something determination something something when she finds out about Tiamat = extra trauma, extra trauma = power.

I would have to look at ultimate magus to see how I feel, it was confusing at a quick glance, but it would be a good workaround for her bloodlines sorc tendencies if it can go. And a good way of Lya explaining how the world works for wiz levels, then exploring her own power for sorc, then combination!

And people who know things about d&d favor it a few times, so that's nice :D.

Practiced spellcaster looks pretty necessary for viability imo.

So, I read up on Ultimate Magus, and Beguiler was brought up as a replacement for Sorc as it is also Int based, and at higher levels (not that they will apply probably) the spell list isn't great, butttt; it does have Glibness – Spell – D&D Tools as a level 3 spell. :D

"I am Rhaella Targaryen, but not the Rhaella Targaryen that is mother to Viserys Targaryen"

And then their brains drip out with the +30 to lying.

I would like beguiler as it is int and has 6+INT skill points, so if we get the opportunity to build her char sheet (doubt it, but would love to), it would be nice to have beguiler as first level as opposed to Wiz.

Hmm, failing that, what about replacing her aristocrat with expert, if that's an improvement - not like she had a good time at court before, and her interlude did show that she is free from the lies of it.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 28, 2018 at 3:45 AM, finished with 145578 posts and 19 votes.
  • [X] Goldfish
    [X] Ask Moonsong more questions
    -[X] What can she tell us about the I'qor, was it a temporary alliance or did she manage to strike a long term deal? are they interested in trade, we can help them dispose of more shiny things in exchange for something actually useful.
    -[X] What about the area in general? enemy forts, valuable plants or animals, anything of interest really.
    [X] Azel's plan, but no mention of claiming to have no plans to break the Ironborn culture
    -[X] About mindflayers, that you suspect the Drowned God is a front for whatever leads them, the Thousand Isles and the parallels between it and the Iron Isles.
    -[X] Bring out the stuffed Ulitharid if Asha is disbelieving.
    -[X] That you wish to break the claim of the Drowned God on the Iron Isles and that you wish to see the Ironborn rise above the reputation of traitors and worthless brigands they have in Westeros. The same sorcery that has wrought the recent changes on the Stepstones can be used there.
    -[X] We wish to preserve their people rather than allow them to be the pawns of monsters. Or worse, food.
    -[X] Give Asha the axe you've had customized for her as a sign of your support for her ascension to the throne of Pyke.
    -[X] Offer Theon a bow made from Dragonbone, though you are operating on a rather tight schedule for at least the next two months, so it might be a bit until you can enchant it for him.
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@DragonParadox - we're telling future LP (Asha) that we're breaking her culture*, or at least she'll realise it when she thinks on it for a bit. Are we going in with VotD+Aon?

*culture; heh. Technically a culture, yes, but these are basically clans-men/wildlings/dothraki with boats. Boats and mindflayer corruption.
 
The spiced meats are tender, the cheeses mouthwateringly smooth and even the wine excellent, seeming to change its flavor with every mouthful. The last was enough to pique Dany's curiosity and so it was that her first sip of wine was not brewed of grapes nor any earthly fruit. "I hope you do not gain a taste for it," you warn her in jest. "For if you did you would have the most expensive of palates..."

"Is that not how one usually measures sophistication?" she asked in like tone.

"Only for those who have none," you answer at once. Your mother had given you that same advice when you were about the age Dany is now. What would she think of the two of you here? You push the thought aside, now is not the time to lose one's self in melancholy. Though you can no longer feel the proverbial dagger at your back you can be sure it has not gone far.
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Our court will be the best kind. Showing class while remaining thrifty. :evil:
 
I'm strongly against using Draconic as our main language. It's not that well suited to run an Empire with his particularities.

Likewise, I don't like the though of using a brand of Valyrian, since that's pure Essosi languages, which will rankle Westeros.

My best case would be an artificially constructed language.
 
Azel said:
I'm strongly against using Draconic as our main language. It's not that well suited to run an Empire with his particularities.

Likewise, I don't like the though of using a brand of Valyrian, since that's pure Essosi languages, which will rankle Westeros.

My best case would be an artificially constructed language.
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Artificial languages never really work though.

Even Sauron couldn't push his Black Speech on all his servants, nevermind real-life attempts.
High Valyrian is already a language most scholars and many lords know, like Latin IRL, so it seems like the best match.

Ideally we would downgrade the educated language High Valyrian to common language and teach Draconic as the new educated language, though that would take a lot of time.
For now we can already communicate with most important people in High Valyrian, so a little more spread and we'd be good.
 
Is draconic the lingua franca of the Planes? Or is everybeing over there running a version of 'Tongues'?
 
I agree with Artemis, High Valyrian is accepted as a language of sophistication and legal education in Westeros and Essos. It is a common bridge between two continents thanks to the legacy of Valyria of Old.

And I doubly agree with using Draconic as the new language of Court. It'll encourage people of note to learn a language that seems to be more common out there in the Great Beyond, and people trying to rise in social status will learn it too, people who have their fingers in commerce and trade.
 
I think that the elemental languages are all broadly understandable by anyone that can speak any of them, but I really would like confirmation before anyone takes what I just wrote as fact.

Draconic might make it easier for people to see things from Viserys perspective, but it does have a very elitist aspect.

Dragon > Not-dragon. Which is stupid. Because Whites are dragons. Technically.
We don't like to talk about the whites.

But yeah, the whole "wingless" bit and stuff like that. An elemental language might be better, but I'm trying to think what it's (or their) blindspots might be. Demonic for example has "not worthy of being a slave" as the closest one can get to "we mean you no harm," so all of them have weak spots when it comes to communicating ideas.
 
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