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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Azel said:
@Diomedon, yes, Divination remains a problem, but that requires people to at least suspect something first. Definitely not foolproof, but it now takes dedicated effort by capable casters to find us.

@Duesal, I would make it 3 ribbons. Aradia is perfect for infiltration jobs.
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I agree with three ribbons. That also opens it up for Visery's use, since he usually travels with at least two companions. We can swap who has them around, since Viserys shouldn't be doing sneaky stuff too often, and Glyra/Maelor missions usually aren't time sensitive.

Azel said:
Risky. Those two are wanted in Westeros and we have no idea how the Ironborn will react.

I would rather send them to the Summer Isles with Moonsong.
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I'm mildly irritated at Moonsong for the type of Edmure like success (assuming it was a success) she pulled in the Basilisk Isles, so I want to give her a mildly irritating duty to chide her just a little bit.

I also don't want to trust her with delicate diplomacy.
 
@Duesal, 1500 IM for the Wyrmlings.

And we at least should make Healing Belts and PfEs for everyone, but Leila can do that to leave more Lya Time for the better stuff.
 
@DragonParadox How are you determining when someone is able to see through Disguise Self? It used to be virtually foolproof when we used it, IIRC. That's normal, considering only those who have a reason to disbelieve, after making physical contact for example, should even be allowed a saving throw. Unless one possesses an innate ability to see through illusions. That doesn't seem to be the case any longer, though.
 
Goldfish said:
@DragonParadox How are you determining when someone is able to see through Disguise Self? It used to be virtually foolproof when we used it, IIRC. That's normal, considering only those who have a reason to disbelieve, after making physical contact for example, should even be allowed a saving throw. Unless one possesses an innate ability to see through illusions. That doesn't seem to be the case any longer, though.
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Seeing the obviously magical auras is a dead giveaway.
 
Azel said:
Seeing the obviously magical auras is a dead giveaway.
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That's another thing that bothers me. Very, very few beings have always on Detect Magic. Everyone else requires Detect Magic to be used as a spell or SLA, which requires Concentration to maintain.

I guess every spellcaster on the planet could have the Swift Concentration skill trick?
 
Azel said:
@Duesal, 1500 IM for the Wyrmlings.

And we at least should make Healing Belts and PfEs for everyone, but Leila can do that to leave more Lya Time for the better stuff.
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Actually, you know what? Agreed. Leila crafts everything. I just did the math and the discount isn't that much in the grand scheme of things to be worth Lya's time.

People who need an Amulet—Rhaella, Malarys, Teana, Alinor, Valaena, Bronn, Theon, Moonsong, Leila, Asha, Argo, Hermetia, etc. That's 12 Amulets of PfE, each worth 400 IM, together costing 4800 IM. With Lya's discount that's 3600 IM, saving us 1200 IM. That simply isn't worth the time.

There is one concern I want to bring up, though. Leila only has a CL of 3, and magic items are more resilient if they're given a higher CL, and DP already pulled one stunt where he destroyed one of our Amulets of PfE. Do we need Lya to later on upgrade the amulets to a higher CL? Mainly for Bronn and Malarys since they're the ones most likely going into combat.
 
Goldfish said:
That's another thing that bothers me. Very, very few beings have always on Detect Magic. Everyone else requires Detect Magic to be used as a spell or SLA, which requires Concentration to maintain.

I guess every spellcaster on the planet could have the Swift Concentration skill trick?
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It bothers me too, but the law of statistics say that there is a minor chance that somebody notices them completely by accident every time they are in large groups of people.

The Greater Ribbons fix that though. True Sight is rare and you don't fire high powered divinations at at random people on the street.
 
Duesal said:
Actually, you know what? Agreed. Leila crafts everything. I just did the math and the discount isn't that much in the grand scheme of things to be worth Lya's time.

People who need an Amulet—Rhaella, Malarys, Teana, Alinor, Valaena, Bronn, Theon, Moonsong, Leila, Asha, Argo, Hermetia, etc. That's 12 Amulets of PfE, each worth 400 IM, together costing 4800 IM. With Lya's discount that's 3600 IM, saving us 1200 IM. That simply isn't worth the time.

There is one concern I want to bring up, though. Leila only has a CL of 3, and magic items are more resilient if they're given a higher CL, and DP already pulled one stunt where he destroyed one of our Amulets of PfE. Do we need Lya to later on upgrade the amulets to a higher CL? Mainly for Bronn and Malarys since they're the ones most likely going into combat.
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That also increases the price quite considerably. We are already cheating a lot by crafting at rock bottom CL to keep the prices reasonable.
If we didn't do that or DP would forbid the practice, we would be paying ludicrous sums for all our gear. And I mean "Lya needs 3 months for one item" ludicrous.
 
Azel said:
That also increases the price quite considerably. We are already cheating a lot by crafting at rock bottom CL to keep the prices reasonable.
If we didn't do that or DP would forbid the practice, we would be paying ludicrous sums for all our gear. And I mean "Lya needs 3 months for one item" ludicrous.
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Wait, we've been keeping Lya's Amulets of PfE at the base CL instead of increasing them? Alright, that removes the major concern.

But I do want to give Leila a scroll of PfE so she can learn the damn spell. I'm completely baffled that she doesn't already know it.
DragonParadox said:
Leila Hill (Former Slave, Lannister Bastard)

Archivist 3

Initiative: +4

STR 7
DEX 14
CON 14
INT 14
WIS 11
CHA 10

Feats: Scribe Scroll, Improved Initiative, Skill Focus (Knowledge Religion), Craft Wondrous Item

Equipment: Simple Outfits

Skills: Knowledge Religion: +11; Diplomacy +6; Knowledge Local (Westerlands) +6; Knowledge (Arcana) +9; Heal +7; Spellcraft +8

HP: 20
AC: 10 +2
Touch: 12

Attack: N/A

Spells Known (Prepared Caster):

Level 0: Light, Create Water, Purify Food and Drink, Cure Minor Wounds (5/day)
Level 1: Calm Animals, Command, Cure Light Wounds, Comprehend Languages, Bless, Magic Weapon, (4/day)
Level 2: Cure Moderate Wounds, Divine Insight, Silence, Unseen Crafter, Lesser Restoration (3/Day)
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Just... why? Why would she not know Protection from Evil by now? Do we need to micromanage her growth? :facepalm:
 
Duesal said:
Wait, we've been keeping Lya's Amulets of PfE at the base CL instead of increasing them? Alright, that removes the major concern.

But I do want to give Leila a scroll of PfE so she can learn the damn spell. I'm completely baffled that she doesn't already know it.

Just... why? Why would she not know Protection from Evil by now? Do we need to micromanage her growth? :facepalm:
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She's learned more spells, her sheet just hasn't been updated in quite some time, I believe.
 
Diomedon said:
She's learned more spells, her sheet just hasn't been updated in quite some time, I believe.
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That's a relief. I'll ask DP if he can update it soonish. I do remember Kyla learning spells right alongside Leila, and that Kyla's sheet was updated while Leila's wasn't.
bigbow said:
Seems to me we need another dedicated craftbot. Maybe we could loot one when we take Tyrosh?
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Bah. I don't trust outside mages unless they've been thoroughly diplomanced like Malarys, and eve then I'd still want to give it a bit of time before fully trusting them. I'd much rather train our own craftbots in our Scholarum. We've got six baby wizards (one of which is level 2!) and one baby Archivist.
 
Azel said:
@Goldfish, @Duesal, how much for a Healing Belt without Lya discount?
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75 IM each. It should be very, very easy to equip all PCs and even all the important NPCs with those belts. Maybe a ring for Rhaella since it's more dignified.

Either way, @Azel @Goldfish @Diomedon, we need to fit in a trip to the Plane of Air to replenish our crafting supplies, preferably at the beginning of next turn if it can be fit in.
DragonParadox said:
Crafting Materials: 2980 Gold
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Say, 20,000 - 30,000 IM of crafting materials, leaving us with a hefty stockpile to make whatever we need as well as several kingdoms' worth of gold to handle the Tyrosh conquest and continue building up our current holdings. Even after a splurge of 30,000 IM on nothing but crafting materials, we'd still be looking at 56,676 IM in nothing but liquid cash just sitting in our treasury.
 
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Duesal said:
Wait, we've been keeping Lya's Amulets of PfE at the base CL instead of increasing them? Alright, that removes the major concern.

But I do want to give Leila a scroll of PfE so she can learn the damn spell. I'm completely baffled that she doesn't already know it.

Just... why? Why would she not know Protection from Evil by now? Do we need to micromanage her growth? :facepalm:
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Her agency and our policy of "spells! Yay" make me expect that she has about as many as Thingy Fairwind. I hope.

I wonder if we can't ask her to learn what spells she can from Theon Greyjoy so she can pass them on to the scholarium students and Lya can grab the spells she wants whenever.
Fair recompense for their efforts and such, of course.
 
BeepSmile said:
Her agency and our policy of "spells! Yay" make me expect that she has about as many as Thingy Fairwind. I hope.

I wonder if we can't ask her to learn what spells she can from Theon Greyjoy so she can pass them on to the scholarium students and Lya can grab the spells she wants whenever.
Fair recompense for their efforts and such, of course.
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Forget Theon. We now have Soft Strider who's a proper Ranger and probably has more spells than level 3 Theon. ;)

And, fingers crossed, Reva and Liset are soon to realize my dream and become druids. :D
 
Duesal said:
75 IM each. It should be very, very easy to equip all PCs and even all the important NPCs with those belts. Maybe a ring for Rhaella since it's more dignified.

Either way, @Azel @Goldfish @Diomedon, we need to fit in a trip to the Plane of Air to replenish our crafting supplies, preferably at the beginning of next turn if it can be fit in.

Say, 20,000 - 30,000 IM of crafting materials, leaving us with a hefty stockpile to make whatever we need as well as several kingdoms' worth of gold to handle the Tyrosh conquest and continue building up our current holdings. Even after a splurge of 30,000 IM on nothing but crafting materials, we'd still be looking at 56,676 IM in nothing but liquid cash just sitting in our treasury.
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Reopening a crafting market is pretty high on the priority list. I'm hoping to keep most of the 50k loan for Tyrosh transitioning, and we don't know how pricey sellsword companies sell their services. How much can we craft a month, in IM? I'd prefer to go for something like 15,000-20,000 IM to better protect our cashflow.
 
Artemis1992 said:
@Azel
Aradia doesn't need a Ribbon too soon if we send her to the Wall for a bit.
Those guys need magical suport and an Arcanum is perfect.
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Given what we learned about the Others dominating the Air in the far north, I'm disinclined to send a young impressionable Arcanum there without any PC support.

@Duesal, @Diomedon, @Goldfish, preliminary crafting plan for the next turn.
Accounting

Action wise, we need to do the PoA or return to MS for materials.
I would definitely want to take care of Illyrio before Tyrosh, since he is a problem. Our grip on the city will be shaky at first and he could cause a lot of damage.

@Diomedon, we still need that south Valyria Teleport Relay to go to the Basilisk Isles. I want to send Moonsong there, with clear orders to mark a safe landing spot and immediately turn back around and come home. That should be plenty annoying for her and we have a genuine threat to make her obey. If she dawdles there, she won't be in time for Tyrosh.
I would send the Queen Rhaella along for the journey and have both ships stock up on supplies in Volantis. While the Hunters Moon sails on to Valyria, the QR turns around and sails back to SD over the open sea. Tyrosh will probably relax a fair bit with our two mightiest vessels apparently sailing for a long trip.
 
Duesal said:
Forget Theon. We now have Soft Strider who's a proper Ranger and probably has more spells than level 3 Theon. ;)

And, fingers crossed, Reva and Liset are soon to realize my dream and become druids. :D
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That is a good point, except we have Theon as a mystic ranger, who gets actual spell progression. Unless..

@DragonParadox , considering that you yourself have expressed sympathy for those afflicted with the ranger class, can the CotF rangers be mystic rangers?

It is a kinder fate than ranger class.
 
Duesal said:
If you say so.

We really need to fully draft our next crafting list, by the way. We're only seven days away from the new turn.

So far we've got three Greater Ribbons of Disguise -- 1800 IM
One set of Azel's Wyrmlings -- @Azel?
Adventurer's Gear for the subordinate and baby PCs so we can use them in the upcoming conquest -- @Goldfish? Any priorities?
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PfE items for Rhaella, Malarys, Bronn, and Soft Strider. Healing Belts, too. Others need them, too, but these have priority, IMO.

Magic armor for Bronn, Vee, Dany, and Tyene.

Beads of Newt Prevention. Enough that every party member has one, with extras for Viserys, Dany, Richard, and Lya.

Maelor's PfE Amulet needs the +2 Constitution Enduring upgrade.

Several Pages of Spell Knowledge for Viserys. We can make him a spell book with several useful low level spells for quite cheap.

Etc.
 
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