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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Diomedon said:
A who? Y'all are taking your jokes too far. Inventing fake characters is one thing, but inventing fake posters is another.

Sorry not sorry.
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Eh, I might not exist in the past, but I can at least alter the present so it looks like I do!
Close enough.


....I feel like the fey spirit assoicated with an odd crossing between the metaplanes of time and existance.
 
I keep on imagining like it was a few days past and @Wheel of time still has not caught up to the thread yet, and we all decide to go along with the meme.

Won't it be magnificent if he just reached the latest chapter just today and goes ablazing:

WHO THE HELL IS DAREON?!!!!

On that note, what is your reaction when we decided to loot that tavern?


BeepSmile said:
....I feel like the fey spirit assoicated with an odd crossing between the metaplanes of time and existance.
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You need an avatar. How about this?
 
Goldfish said:
Or it is an interpretation of deities as the ultimate Outsiders, fully embodying their alignment in a way that would make a Paladin cringe.

And Bahamut is a Dragon's Dragon, with a worldview to match. From his PoV, Dany was already six years old, no longer even a Wyrmling, but merely Very Young. At that point, she should be smarter and wiser than the vast majority of humankind and fully capable of understanding the dangers of making deals with the Bitch Queen.

He's still a tool, though.
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As a lover of Fizban and Paladine from Dragon Lance this contempt against the best noble dragon knight God hurts to read:cry: But Dragon Lance is Dragon Lance and this is this;)
 
Daeron... Daeron was Waymar's dark mirror in many ways. As someone already mentioned, we met Daeron back in Lys. Though we didn't know it at the time, he was a Brightflame from the maternal line, the last one actually. He lived a rough childhood, stuck between the Gilded Quarter and the lower classes, never fully fitting in any one. It was never outright spoken but due to a few comments from DP it's speculated he saw her mother (a pleasure slave) die after her Master gave her some sort of Moontea equivalent so she could get back to work faster. Daeron never brought it up though, and he always deflected with one of his honestly pretty funny jokes if the conversation neared that way.

Anyway, his rough childhood seemed to leave him... not evil, just bereft of guidelines. That's why he's sometimes compared to Waymar, because they both shared a sort of naive moral misconception, only Daeron was the one pushing for sacrificing Slavers.
 
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Wheel of time said:
As a lover of Fizban and Paladine from Dragon Lance this contempt against the best noble dragon knight God hurts to read:cry: But Dragon Lance is Dragon Lance and this is this;)
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It really does seem like we've yet to find an actual Lawful Good person that didn't constantly get on the thread's nerves and make them want to either kill them or get as far away from them as possible.

Waymar (if he was ever around more than once every irl month :( ) always seemed to get on someone's nerves, even after we have beaten most of the Stupid out of him, and I remember people voting to murder the Archons when we first met them on the road to Mantarys. Even now people mostly avoid contact with them for reasons that seem mostly unstated.

DP decided to make Bahamut Stupid Good, for whatever reason.

The only possible LG person I've seen so far that hasn't been immediately hated by the thread has been Fenly, and he's literally created to be the Perfect Lord. Even then he still pissed some people off by wanting to find the actual Renly in the Feywild.

Is it really too much to ask for a likable, non-stupid LG person?
 
Raichu1972 said:
It really does seem like we've yet to find an actual Lawful Good person that didn't constantly get on the thread's nerves and make them want to either kill them or get as far away from them as possible.

Waymar (if he was ever around more than once every irl month :( ) always seemed to get on someone's nerves, even after we have beaten most of the Stupid out of him, and I remember people voting to murder the Archons when we first met them on the road to Mantarys. Even now people mostly avoid contact with them for reasons that seem mostly unstated.

DP decided to make Bahamut Stupid Good, for whatever reason.

The only possible LG person I've seen so far that hasn't been immediately hated by the thread has been Fenly, and he's literally created to be the Perfect Lord. Even then he still pissed some people off by wanting to find the actual Renly in the Feywild.

Is it really too much to ask for a likable, non-stupid LG person?
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Well, Azel got his LE minion, maybe if you wish hard enough we can get someone.
 
Maelor and him didn't really like each other, but from what I could see, it really looked like the felt that the other one "got it" in some fashion.

I mean, we joke about helping people so the think we're amazing and decide to help us save/conquer the world, but then DP writes these pieces... Even some of the background stuff and characterisation.

Tyene's bit about us finding "broken things" after we brought Leslit and uhhh (bad with names), the telepathic twins to her in Volantis really got to me.

He actually had equal int and cha scores at the start, so we were all "wiz get!"

Honestly, a traditional bard clads might have suited his personality, if it weren't for his passion for learning spells.

And that wizards are just better.
 
Raichu1972 said:
It really does seem like we've yet to find an actual Lawful Good person that didn't constantly get on the thread's nerves and make them want to either kill them or get as far away from them as possible.

Waymar (if he was ever around more than once every irl month :( ) always seemed to get on someone's nerves, even after we have beaten most of the Stupid out of him, and I remember people voting to murder the Archons when we first met them on the road to Mantarys. Even now people mostly avoid contact with them for reasons that seem mostly unstated.

DP decided to make Bahamut Stupid Good, for whatever reason.

The only possible LG person I've seen so far that hasn't been immediately hated by the thread has been Fenly, and he's literally created to be the Perfect Lord. Even then he still pissed some people off by wanting to find the actual Renly in the Feywild.

Is it really too much to ask for a likable, non-stupid LG person?
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When he walks among mortals he even moonlights as a Wizard. Also I feel this entire thread does not and will never understand the concept of nobility for the sake of honor and virtue. The Dragon Blood has tainted them all and this is freaking bizzare normally I'm all for Chaotic murder fucking Evil but now I'm trying to be the advocate for All Might type characters:o
 
Raichu1972 said:
It really does seem like we've yet to find an actual Lawful Good person that didn't constantly get on the thread's nerves and make them want to either kill them or get as far away from them as possible.

Waymar (if he was ever around more than once every irl month :( ) always seemed to get on someone's nerves, even after we have beaten most of the Stupid out of him, and I remember people voting to murder the Archons when we first met them on the road to Mantarys. Even now people mostly avoid contact with them for reasons that seem mostly unstated.

DP decided to make Bahamut Stupid Good, for whatever reason.

The only possible LG person I've seen so far that hasn't been immediately hated by the thread has been Fenly, and he's literally created to be the Perfect Lord. Even then he still pissed some people off by wanting to find the actual Renly in the Feywild.

Is it really too much to ask for a likable, non-stupid LG person?
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I have one word for you, just one word: Plastics Brienne.
 
How could people all forget about him? People alway forget to spell his name right! More so now that DP erased his character sheet.

Rememeber his quip right after we put out the blaze in the ports and found the green potion with Bronn?

"No! I won't drink that!"

Wheel of time said:
When he walks among mortals he even moonlights as a Wizard. Also I feel this entire thread does not and will never understand the concept of nobility for the sake of honor and virtue. The Dragon Blood has tainted them all and this is freaking bizzare normally I'm all for Chaotic murder fucking Evil but now I'm trying to be the advocate for All Might type characters:o
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DragonParadox said:
The Death of the Harpy Queen: They say a man of the Summer Isles, old in years but still strong of arm and rich in wisdom slew the Harpy Queen of Mereen with his goldenwood bow before the gates of Yunkai. The Wise Masters tried to give him gold and slaves beyond count, but he called them fools for it and took only that which had been promised him as a sellsword. "Look well upon your foe for she is you and you are she," the man purportedly said before leaving, by what road none know.
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Kindly old man with a moment of awesome and a quotable quote. Doesn't this scream Bahamut to you?
 
bigbow said:
I have one word for you, just one word: Plastics Brienne.
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Brienne would be nice, but I fear we can't convert her without basically breaking he character first.
We would likely have to disabuse her of notions of Chivalry, and to go from worshiping (to her) Benevolent Gods who protect the innocent and dispense justice on evildoers to the Savage Gods of the Trees who accept blood like currency will likely involve an alignment shift.

Plus, I feel as though the thread doesn't want for her to be LG, and will try to convert her away from that path.
Perhaps I'm just being a worrywart though.
 
Raichu1972 said:
Brienne would be nice, but I fear we can't convert her without basically breaking he character first.
We would likely have to disabuse her of notions of Chivalry, and to go from worshiping (to her) Benevolent Gods who protect the innocent and dispense justice on evildoers to the Savage Gods of the Trees who accept blood like currency will likely involve an alignment shift.

Plus, I feel as though the thread doesn't want for her to be LG, and will try to convert her away from that path.
Perhaps I'm just being a worrywart though.
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Well, aside from everything else, she's gonna find a whole lot of her lessons from the seven pointed star to be incorrect. But she'll come to terms with that, I'm sure.

Seven hells. I mean, really!
 
Raichu1972 said:
Brienne would be nice, but I fear we can't convert her without basically breaking he character first.
We would likely have to disabuse her of notions of Chivalry, and to go from worshiping (to her) Benevolent Gods who protect the innocent and dispense justice on evildoers to the Savage Gods of the Trees who accept blood like currency will likely involve an alignment shift.

Plus, I feel as though the thread doesn't want for her to be LG, and will try to convert her away from that path.
Perhaps I'm just being a worrywart though.
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Problem seems to be LG is calibrated for a high fantasy world of black and white, painfully inadequate to the sea of grey (and black) that is morality in Planetos, even more so for the delicate, pragmatic course we are charting. We just need to find a pragmatic Capital L LG character, kind of like a reverse Malarys. Give it time... and perhaps sacrifice a few--

Thinking of Canon characters, Barristan Selmy strikes me as possible candidate, as well as uuuhh...

This is actually really hard, kind of like an interesting practical exercise to internalize just how morally bankrupt a setting Planetos is... Thread, think up your own and then lets compare.

-Benjen Stark.
-Missendei?
-Samwell Tarly.

*spends 10 minutes staring at the screen*

Uhh Strong Belwas? Maybe? I should go sleep...
 
Raichu1972 said:
Brienne would be nice, but I fear we can't convert her without basically breaking he character first.
We would likely have to disabuse her of notions of Chivalry, and to go from worshiping (to her) Benevolent Gods who protect the innocent and dispense justice on evildoers to the Savage Gods of the Trees who accept blood like currency will likely involve an alignment shift.

Plus, I feel as though the thread doesn't want for her to be LG, and will try to convert her away from that path.
Perhaps I'm just being a worrywart though.
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I highly doubt that all of the Seven are "good" considering the whole ethnic cleansing thing back when the Andals first invaded.

Also this is why we should totally get the Moonsinger Goddess and Weeping Lady to set up shop in SD too. More approachable gods are nice and might give us access to more mirror mephits (also dancing elf ladies according to one poster?)

Also I'll be honest. I think people are a little too hard on Waymar. Like his talk with Bloodraven was pretty much "I'm not gonna give up my morals because it might make things hard, and even if bad shit happens, we are like the most likely people in the world to deal with it/to not give a shit about death if somehow something actually manages to get through all our persistomamcy get us. " which considering we're already taking the ability to raise people from the dead for granted is honestly pretty fair
 
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bigbow said:
Problem seems to be LG is calibrated for a high fantasy world of black and white, painfully inadequate to the sea of grey (and black) that is morality in Planetos, even more so for the delicate, pragmatic course we are charting. We just need to find a pragmatic Capital L LG character, kind of like a reverse Malarys. Give it time... and perhaps sacrifice a few--

Thinking of Canon characters, Barristan Selmy strikes me as possible candidate, as well as uuuhh...

This is actually really hard, kind of like an interesting practical exercise to internalize just how morally bankrupt a setting Planetos is... Thread, think up your own and then lets compare.

-Benjen Stark.
-Missendei?
-Samwell Tarly.

*spends 10 minutes staring at the screen*

Uhh Strong Belwas? Maybe? I should go sleep...
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A Lawful Good PC can adapt but they also make this shitty world bend to thier heroic will. Heroes stride through the darkness to make way for the light. Viserys flies through it and when he can let's lose scorching dragon fire but he is above all else King.
And a King for how grand and great they are and all the good they do is not a Hero. It's too different paradigms clashing and the thread only has the one of a dragon to view the world through. If that makes any sense.

A_Somebody said:
I highly doubt that all of the Seven are "good" considering the whole ethnic cleansing thing back when the Andals first invaded.

Also this is why we should totally get the Moonsinger Goddess and Weeping Lady to set up shop in SD too. More approachable gods are nice and might give us access to more mirror mephits (also dancing elf ladies according to one poster?)
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Hey save the dancing elf ladies for the QQ only updates and Omakes.
 
bigbow said:
Problem seems to be LG is calibrated for a high fantasy world of black and white, painfully inadequate to the sea of grey (and black) that is morality in Planetos, even more so for the delicate, pragmatic course we are charting. We just need to find a pragmatic Capital L LG character, kind of like a reverse Malarys. Give it time... and perhaps sacrifice a few--

Thinking of Canon characters, Barristan Selmy strikes me as possible candidate, as well as uuuhh...

This is actually really hard, kind of like an interesting practical exercise to internalize just how morally bankrupt a setting Planetos is... Thread, think up your own and then lets compare.

-Benjen Stark.
-Missendei?
-Samwell Tarly.

*spends 10 minutes staring at the screen*

Uhh Strong Belwas? Maybe? I should go sleep...
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I'm sure there are plenty on non canon characters that are LG out there, since of course the main characters of ASoIaF are in general terrible people.
I also think that LG works just fine in a grey setting, so long as people aren't actually just using Stupid Good as it seems to be the case in this quest.

There can totally be a LG character who is willing to not stop every tragedy in return for doing Good wherever they are able.

Edit: and yeah, a Good character should be trying to make the world a better place, even if it is inefficient or costs more than simply doing good at your own pace.

The main difference, in my opinion, between LG and Stupid Good is that LG knows when to and not to compromise, while Stupid Good never compromises, no matter the situation or circumstance.
A_Somebody said:
I highly doubt that all of the Seven are "good" considering the whole ethnic cleansing thing back when the Andals first invaded.

Also this is why we should totally get the Moonsinger Goddess and Weeping Lady to set up shop in SD too. More approachable gods are nice and might give us access to more mirror mephits (also dancing elf ladies according to one poster?)

Also I'll be honest. I think people are a little too hard on Waymar. Like his talk with Bloodraven was pretty much "I'm not gonna give up my morals because it might make things hard, and even if bad shit happens, we are like the most likely people in the world to deal with it/to not give a shit about death if somehow something actually manages to get through all our persistomamcy get us. " which considering we're already taking the ability to raise people from the dead for granted is honestly pretty fair
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Note that I said they were Good to her.
We know that the Seven are likely Neutral at best, but to a devout worshiper of the Seven they can be nothing but Good, otherwise why would they reward her selfless devotion with the ability to protect her family from what lurks in the dark?
 
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Once we are able to should we outfit the Children that came with us with obsidian arrow heads and weapons?

Also we need to tell the Night Watch about it so they might be able to get some from Dragonstone or even us.
 
Wheel of time said:
A Lawful Good PC can adapt but they also make this shitty world bend to thier heroic will. Heroes stride through the darkness to make way for the light. Viserys flies through it and when he can let's lose scorching dragon fire but he is above all else King.
And a King for how grand and great they are and all the good they do is not a Hero. It's too different paradigms clashing and the thread only has the one of a dragon to view the world through. If that makes any sense.


Hey save the dancing elf ladies for the QQ only updates and Omakes.
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Except that's exactly the problem I'm talking about. In DnD land, the heroic LG hero can bend the world. In Planetos world bends you! what actually happens is that the courtiers start a civil war amongst themselves because the LG classical epic hero used intrigue as his dump stat, and to make matters worse his constant smiting of evil threats has taken a toll on infrastructure and thus grain shipments, and now the smallfolk are rioting in the streets...

"But I was Good..." he mutters when the starved mob storm his simple house in the city.
 
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Okay I really don't like the seven or their religion in general I am more than willing to kill Brienne now I just do not like religious types in these settings. Theres nothing we could do when she started preaching about magic being evil.
 
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