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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Maybe mention those friends are many westerosi nobles, or Braavosi nobles. (Waymar, Tyene, Richard, Garin, Kylla, ...)

Need more fuedalist lordling too I think. :V
 
Prince Sheo said:
How much time would be appropriate?
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That's going to depend on her. Something to be clear on here? She is almost certainly going to be able to tell that we're shading the truth. Mothers have this utterly OP Ex ability that grants +x to Sense Motive when their kids are lying to them, you know :V That said, she's unlikely to push for the same reason that we don't want to just throw everything we know at her. The world has changed. When she's ready to start understanding that, which will be after the first stage of processing, she'll ask. So long as we make it clear that our door will always be open to her. And yes, this needs to be made clear. Feudalisms within noble houses, they are complicated.

Diomedon said:
I'd edit out the "hid with thieves" bit. Simply say we lost ourselves among the commoners and used our magic to make ends meet for a month, during which we met Richard and Lya.
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Honestly, yeah, I'd agree with this. Make it clear that we suffered some degree of a fall, but it was a necessary one due to fear of the Usurper. Then it's build up, acquire Richard and Lya, and onwards.

Artemis1992 said:
It's kinda important for us though.
We'd propably have a somewhat different goverment system and attitude to minor corruption otherwise.
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I understand where you're coming from, but I think just having lost ourselves among the commonfolk will be enough to let that connection form. Bluntly, we lived as a commoner for a while. That has its effects. @Fehu has made some good points to balance that, though. Telling Rhaella that after a time we came to associate with the highborn families of the city and that we're on first name basis with a Keyholder, etc. will help a great deal. Loosing yourself in the common folk out of a need for safety is one thing. Forgetting that you're a highborn is another. It's a delicate balance.
 
Snowfire said:
That's going to depend on her. Something to be clear on here? She is almost certainly going to be able to tell that we're shading the truth. Mothers have this utterly OP Ex ability that grants +x to Sense Motive when their kids are lying to them, you know :V That said, she's unlikely to push for the same reason that we don't want to just throw everything we know at her. The world has changed. When she's ready to start understanding that, which will be after the first stage of processing, she'll ask. So long as we make it clear that our door will always be open to her. And yes, this needs to be made clear. Feudalisms within noble houses, they are complicated.



Honestly, yeah, I'd agree with this. Make it clear that we suffered some degree of a fall, but it was a necessary one due to fear of the Usurper. Then it's build up, acquire Richard and Lya, and onwards.



I understand where you're coming from, but I think just having lost ourselves among the commonfolk will be enough to let that connection form. Bluntly, we lived as a commoner for a while. That has its effects. @Fehu has made some good points to balance that, though. Telling Rhaella that after a time we came to associate with the highborn families of the city and that we're on first name basis with a Keyholder, etc. will help a great deal. Loosing yourself in the common folk out of a need for safety is one thing. Forgetting that you're a highborn is another. It's a delicate balance.
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I'll concede to your points but not the thieves part, we shouldn't actually leave anything out. I'm extremely uncomfortable with lying or keeping secrets from our mother.
 
To add onto this, something we might try to thread into things here is how magic does not respect the boundaries of Blood. An urchin can as much gain powers of magic as can a scion of a noble house. Don't make this a standout now, but start laying the groundwork. A lot of planning is needed here most likely, especially once we get past the honeymoon phase of "Thank the Seven/Old Gods my children are alive and well, and now I have the chance to be with them as I should have been."

Lya's certainly going to be one of the biggest issues that arises from this, but when our Steward is in fact a former courtesan? Start laying the foundation right. The fuck. Now. So that when the fact that we're not surrounded by Bravos, Knights and highborn Maidens as befits our station, she can understand how we got there. It's still going to clash horribly with her own mindset, but at least it won't be coming at her cold.

An example on optics: the closest thing we have to a Maester is in fact our lowborn, nameless orphan lover. Or, well, it was until we looted Malarys
 
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Snowfire said:
That's going to depend on her. Something to be clear on here? She is almost certainly going to be able to tell that we're shading the truth. Mothers have this utterly OP Ex ability that grants +x to Sense Motive when their kids are lying to them, you know :V
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While this is true Rhaella has not seen Viserys for eight years and the last three of those years have been... eventful. Chances are he can lie just fine on the strength of his normal bluff. If he want all out on magical enchantment (not that that is IC here) he could lie to most mid level socally-secked devils.
 
DragonParadox said:
While this is true Rhaella has not seen Viserys for eight years and the last three of those years have been... eventful. Chances are he can lie just fine on the strength of his normal bluff. If he want all out on magical enchantment (not that that is IC here) he could lie to most mid level socally-secked devils.
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And if anyone attempts to argue for magically deceiving our mother I will break out the hacksaws and nails.

Just saying.
 
Snowfire said:
Lya's certainly going to be one of the biggest issues that arises from this, but when our Steward is in fact a former courtesan? Start laying the foundation right. The fuck. Now. So that when the fact that we're not surrounded by Bravos, Knights and highborn Maidens as befits our station, she can understand how we got there. It's still going to clash horribly with her own mindset, but at least it won't be coming at her cold.
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Artemis1992 said:
Eh, what matter is the blood of small rulers of mundane kingdoms before the blood of dragons and Dragonlords, before a heritage of power over the elements, the forces beyond this plane and life and death itself?

All men, bastards or kings are of equally lesser blood and only those with the gift and skill to form reality at their wishes, as Lya or Tyene have, can be considered more than that.
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I'll hold on to this.

A bastard just returned her to life after eight years of death.
It was neither his name nor his blood that gave him this power (though his blood does give him a lot of others).
 
Artemis1992 said:
I'll hold on to this.

A bastard just returned her to life after eight years of death.
It was neither his name nor his blood that gave him this power (though his blood does give him a lot of others).
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Surrendering to the call of the Dragon's blood was what drove her husband (our father) to madness and tyranny. Can we not? You are vastly underestimating the effects of her upbringing and overestimating her ability to change swiftly in reaction to how the world is now to an equal or even greater degree. Go back and read her interlude, really look at her instinctive reaction to Bloodraven.

If Viserys made your argument to her, I'm willing to lay extremely good odds that his words would be met with total incomprehension. And an even bigger problem is that it's based on the same feudal logic. The only thing you're replacing is Westeros nobility with Valaryian nobility. This doesn't fix anything.

I repeat, we need to start laying the groundwork for the idea of a magocracy coexisting as part of feudalism right now. And expect resistance, because it will happen even if we do this perfectly.
 
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[X] Snowfire

You seem to have a good grasp on how not to give the traumatized westerosi noble lady a heartattack.

Imma prep for interview instead of vote crafting, adulting responsibly. :V
 
Snowfire said:
If Viserys made your argument to her, I'm willing to lay extremely good odds that his words would be met with total incomprehension. And an even bigger problem is that it's based on the same feudal logic. The only thing you're replacing is Westeros nobility with Valaryian nobility. This doesn't fix anything.
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That's a really small part of what I'm saying.
Blood has power, yes. But it's far from the only carrier as Lya and Vee easily prove.

I wouldn't argue that in full before Rhaella now, but in truth it's the single biggest thing in how the world has changed over the last years and will continue to change.
 
Fehu said:
You seem to have a good grasp on how not to give the traumatized westerosi noble lady a heartattack.
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I have some background in counselling and psych, situations like this, you just need to tailor things to the client. Glad to see I'm apparently being effective at that. Unfortunately it now means I have to try and build a vote :V

Going to eat dinner, then I'll toss a framework together.
 
We don't need to give her every detail. She can ask for more detail later if she wants to, like "tell me of how things were when you were first starting out, when you had to hide among the commoners in Braavos," we're giving her the broad stroke picture. It will be understood that we're leaving out a lot of detail due to the fact that we have only a few hours to fill her in.


Snowfire said:
I have some background in counselling and psych, situations like this, you just need to tailor things to the client. Glad to see I'm apparently being effective at that. Unfortunately it now means I have to try and build a vote :V

Going to eat dinner, then I'll toss a framework together.
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I'm glad I was out doing errands, or I'd be in your position. :V

Always nice to see more psych people though.
 
DragonParadox said:
While this is true Rhaella has not seen Viserys for eight years and the last three of those years have been... eventful. Chances are he can lie just fine on the strength of his normal bluff. If he want all out on magical enchantment (not that that is IC here) he could lie to most mid level socally-secked devils.
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Is that your way of saying that we could run scams in Dis?
 
By the way, I fully intend to turn Soft Strider into a party member, not just a subordinate PC.

Legendary race, confirmed PC classes, hell yes we're going to make the best use of that. Now we just need to see if she's willing to use dragonbone for her bow and if she might consider better arrows.
 
"I am just a purveyor of fine snake oils, my good sir..."

"You know... I had an acquaintance who went missing some time ago, mister...?"

"Tiserys Vargaryen."

"Right, well Tiserys, how does a Mallor just up and disappear?"

"Maybe a larger snake ate them? I hear that is quite common where I am from."

"And just where ARE you from?"

"...WOOP WOOP WOOP WOOP WOOP!"
 
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Azel said:
Need to to get some seed funding and a Falxugon that gets scammed by a mortal isn't worth its horns.
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Even if he is scammed by us?

Anyway, I propose an alternative Infernal investment: wringing magic materials and energy out of captured Baatezu. That's what Pain Devils do, and they are so hated that maybe we can recruit someone witohut offending anyone.
 
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