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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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AoD_Patr said:
+10 Profession (Shipwright) item for 1000 IM would probably more than offset the difference between journeyman and master levels. Can probably do even with cheaper ones.
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True. Sufficient magic can cover a lot of sins.

Actually, @TotallyNotEvil where were those ship building rules you used to build Queen Rhaella? I want to do the groundwork so when we see how cheap our steel production is, I can do an actual cost comparison between traditional ships and construct driven steel ships.

TotallyNotEvil said:
I would sacrifice a lot of stuff to change "HD+6" to "HD+8".

And it's fucking delicious.

Especially the juice. You crush the sugarcane two or three times for the most glorious nectar, best drunk fresh.

This math seems seriously off. IIRC, a basic wooden humanoid was like 40 IM.

Same. People whined a lot, but ultimately, "learn how to sacrifice living things" >>>> "learn how to sacrifice artifacts".
Or we can just use the slave breeders in town.

No way.
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Yeah, melee constructs are very IM inefficient. A construct that can cling to the wall itself and shoot ranged weapons and skitter about would likely be a better design.


Paradosi said:
I'm curious, but why don't we just take Dragonstone back? It'd require a navy to take from us, and that hasn't worked all too well for them the last time they tried it.
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We're trying to prevent overeager lords from declaring rebellion in our name before we're ready. So we don't want to do anything too open or bold that might make them think they can do something foolish. If we're forced to go before we're ready, it turns from a campaign where the seven kingdoms are bloodied a bit, but still mostly intact (Robert's Rebellion) into an all out war, ravaging places all throughout the Seven Kingdoms (War of Five Kings).
 
mrsean22 said:
We going to learn more of the Lannisters right? They are our more magic enemy in politics right now.
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The update after this one is going to be dedicated to Lannisters & Baratheon secrets, and rumors of Westeros in general. After that there is nothing truly important to talk about that we don't want Rhaella to overhear, so we can freely attempt a resurrection.
 
One more line of questions before mommy dearest. Vote now peeps!
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    -[X] Regarding the Seven, they have not been complacent. While in Dorne we learned of a Cleric of the Seven running around and healing people and the like. And recently in the Stormlands we met a young Brienne of Tarth who was blessed by the Warrior, a budding paladin. With Brienne in particular we would prefer to slowly turn her away from the Seven, to both take away a powerful follower of the Seven and so we don't have to fight the poor girl. For the others, that's up in the air since we don't know them, but we would see turning them also away from the Seven as a good alternative. The question is thus: how many other clerics and paladins of the Seven are there? And where are they? Which of them will give us the greatest problems?
    -[X] What does Bloodraven know of the nature of the Seven themselves? Not the corrupt and decadent Faith in King's Landing and Oldtown, not the zealous preachers in backwater hamlets, but the actual gods. Where did they come from? Why did they send their followers to invade Westeros and slaughter the Children and burn the Heart Trees? Why do they hate all magic that isn't theirs?
    -[X] You told us of a Chalice sacred to the Mother which Theon Stark sacrificed to the Old Gods. Are you aware of any other such sacred artifacts of the Seven and their locations?
    -[X] A shipment of tainted grain poisoned hundreds in Dorne, and we traced the crime back to someone from the Faith in Oldtown. What can you tell us of the schemes of the Faith? What of the Faith Militant?
    -[X] When we made our pact you asked that we end several lines strong in the Faith. Can you elaborate clearly and explicitly what the Old Gods expect us to do and how they expect us to do it? What does the "ending" of a line constitute? Is it killing everyone? Making the entire family barren? Sending males to the Wall and females to the Silent Sisters? Somehow turning all of said families away from the Seven? What would the Old Gods consider to be "humiliating" the Seven?
    -[X] Tell us how to train druids. Better yet, help us do it. For example, we've two young girls--Reva and Liset--who can already hear the voices of the Old Gods. Could you train them as druids? Could you send one of the Singers to help us train Druids in preparation for the coming Long Night?
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Azel said:
That would kick-start the war for Westeros. No ifs, not buts. Invading part of the Seven Kingdoms is funny that way.
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It's Dragonstone, Targaryen as it comes, and not even traditionally part of Westeros(until Aegon's conquest). I'd see Bobby B more as saying, "So, the little shit took back his shiity little island, now let's see him try and take something where I could smash him with mah hammah!1!11" Besides, what is sending a fleet to asplode Sorcerer's Deep if not war?

Diomedon said:
We're trying to prevent overeager lords from declaring rebellion in our name before we're ready. So we don't want to do anything too open or bold that might make them think they can do something foolish. If we're forced to go before we're ready, it turns from a campaign where the seven kingdoms are bloodied a bit, but still mostly intact (Robert's Rebellion) into an all out war, ravaging places all throughout the Seven Kingdoms (War of Five Kings).
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Would it really be any different than how we've taken the Stepstones? Dragonstone isn't traditionally part of any of the Seven Kingdoms, IIRC, nor does the Faith have too much of a presence there.

I don't really see much lords declaring for us until we fly into King's Landing on a dragon or as a dragon.
 
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Paradosi said:
It's Dragonstone, Targaryen as it comes, and not even traditionally part of Westeros(until Aegon's conquest). I'd see Bobby B more as saying, "So, the little shit took back his shiity little island, now let's see him try and take something where I could smash him with mah hammah!1!11" Besides, what is sending a fleet to asplode Sorcerer's Deep if not war?



Would it really be any different than how we've taken the Stepstones? Dragonstone isn't traditionally part of any of the Seven Kingdoms, IIRC, nor does the Faith have too much of a presence there.

I don't really see much lords declaring for us until we fly into King's Landing on a dragon or as a dragon.
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It would also trigger the Loyalists still remaining into declaring for Viserys. Which would start the war early. We would lose all our loyal lords to the swarming hordes of Baratheon loyal lords.
 
Its less about them and more about us. We've got a lot of balls up in the air right now. Plus, we've invested in a few plans that have yet to see fruition. And if we take Dragonstone our already miniscule amounts time will become non-existent.
 
Paradosi said:
It's Dragonstone, Targaryen as it comes, and not even traditionally part of Westeros(until Aegon's conquest). I'd see Bobby B more as saying, "So, the little shit took back his shiity little island, now let's see him try and take something where I could smash him with mah hammah!1!11" Besides, what is sending a fleet to asplode Sorcerer's Deep if not war?



Would it really be any different than how we've taken the Stepstones? Dragonstone isn't traditionally part of any of the Seven Kingdoms, IIRC, nor does the Faith have too much of a presence there.

I don't really see much lords declaring for us until we fly into King's Landing on a dragon or as a dragon.
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Yes, it is different. Dragonstone is traditionally part of the seven kingdoms. The seven kingdoms didn't exist as a polity until Aegon forged it into one...from Dragonstone. Dragonstone is the traditional seat of the heir to the kingdom, and there's a meaningful difference between the Royal Fleet getting smashed up in a foreign adventure (attacking us in the Stepstones) and us showing up in the Seven Kingdoms messing things up.

And DP told us that there was a risk if we pursued the Royal Fleet's remnants too hard, or followed up with a raid smashing the Redwyne fleet that people might start rebelling immediately.
 
Arimai said:
It would also trigger the Loyalists still remaining into declaring for Viserys. Which would start the war early. We would lose all our loyal lords to the swarming hordes of Baratheon loyal lords.
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Would it? Dragonstone is not King's Landing, it's just a fortress on a rock in the sea. I legitimately don't see much declarations of support until we show that we're ready and willing to begin Aegon's Conquest Mk. II, which will likely require us to barge into King's Landing and claim the Iron Throne. Little else will move what few Loyalists are left.

Diomedon said:
Yes, it is different. Dragonstone is traditionally part of the seven kingdoms. The seven kingdoms didn't exist as a polity until Aegon forged it into one...from Dragonstone. Dragonstone is the traditional seat of the heir to the kingdom, and there's a meaningful difference between the Royal Fleet getting smashed up in a foreign adventure (attacking us in the Stepstones) and us showing up in the Seven Kingdoms messing things up.

And DP told us that there was a risk if we pursued the Royal Fleet's remnants too hard, or followed up with a raid smashing the Redwyne fleet that people might start rebelling immediately.
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I'm talking about the actual kingdoms, the polities that existed long before Aegon was even a twinkle in his father's eyes.
 
Duesal said:
The update after this one is going to be dedicated to Lannisters & Baratheon secrets, and rumors of Westeros in general. After that there is nothing truly important to talk about that we don't want Rhaella to overhear, so we can freely attempt a resurrection.
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I'd suggest to do that one after the Rezzing.
Bringing Rhaella up to speed with the Westeros situation is not bad for her, a lot more familar than the whole purely magical stuff.
We can learn something about her from her reaction, see about her political skill and cannyness, while she gains information she has a solid basis to understand, as opposed to knowledge of gods and undead.
 
Paradosi said:
Would it? Dragonstone is not King's Landing, it's just a fortress on a rock in the sea. I legitimately don't see much declarations of support until we show that we're ready and willing to begin Aegon's Conquest Mk. II, which will likely require us to barge into King's Landing and claim the Iron Throne. Little else will move what few Loyalists are left.



I'm talking about the actual kingdoms, the polities that existed long before Aegon was even a twinkle in his father's eyes.
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DP has outright told us that taking Dragonstone will kickstart the war.
 
Paradosi said:
Huh. @DragonParadox, will taking Dragonstone alone really kick-start it? I'd have thought we'd have to actually fly into King's Landing and claim the Iron Throne.

The Targaryens sat around on Dragonstone for centuries before they'd invaded Westeros, after all.
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To put this in perspective, after we smashed Stannis' fleet, chasing after the remaining ships and capturing them would have sparked uprisings all over Westeros among those discontent with Lannister-Baratheon rule.

That would be magnified ten times over if we took Dragonstone, our ancestral home and the traditional seat of the Crown Prince. It would be an announcement to everyone that we are ready to conquer Westeros.
 
Duesal said:
After that there is nothing truly important to talk about that we don't want Rhaella to overhear, so we can freely attempt a resurrection.
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Wait-wait-wait, no need to be so hasty, our entire time left with bloodraven will be dedicated to her.
I'd rather diplomance CotF to go with us before that, if DP doesn't include it in coming update alongside druids.

Less stress from unknown/magical for our mother = less stress for us
 
egoo said:
Wait-wait-wait, no need to be so hasty, our entire time left with bloodraven will be dedicated to her.
I'd rather diplomance CotF to go with us before that, if DP doesn't include it in coming update alongside druids.

Less stress from unknown/magical for our mother = less stress for us
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After the War against the Seven, there's general rumor posts, and hopefully we get at least one Child although I've got my fingers crossed for more. But after that we've honestly got all the major topics answered. Just take a look:

Bloodraven Question List

There's some ancient lore questions, like "What are the Children" and "What is the Great Other", but honestly that's stuff that can wait. We're due to come to Bloodraven again in a few months to pick up the dragonpen, no hurry. All the truly urgent questions have been addressed.
 
Duesal said:
To put this in perspective, after we smashed Stannis' fleet, chasing after the remaining ships and capturing them would have sparked uprisings all over Westeros among those discontent with Lannister-Baratheon rule.

That would be magnified ten times over if we took Dragonstone, our ancestral home and the traditional seat of the Crown Prince. It would be an announcement to everyone that we are ready to conquer Westeros.
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I'm just curious if DP had actually said it, or if he merely implied it might happen. I honestly don't think it's as easy to kick-start the war as to simply take Dragonstone, because it's more than about being ready to conquer Westeros, it's about being willing and able. Lords tend to value their life and lands, and few would like risking all they have on what's not a sure deal.

It's why I don't see all too much folks going "I'm going to risk my life, my lands and my future" until we outright claim the Iron Throne. I'm sure most of these lords have some inkling of history, and they'd know that the Targaryens legit sat around on Dragonstone for centuries before they'd made their move. It's when we make landfall on Westeros proper that the parallels with Aegon will kick in. That's my opinion, at least.
 
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Duesal said:
There's some ancient lore questions, like "What are the Children" and "What is the Great Other", but honestly that's stuff that can wait.
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True enough. But then there's these questions.
Duesal said:
18. Tell us of the gods of elder days. For example, the great serpent Yss now resides in our island. What were the gods from his time? In a quest he gave us to find something deep within Sothoryos, the path there takes us past the remnants of a spider god's temple. Who is that god?
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26. Ask about locations of great magical power, essentially places that we could loot/restore or use in some way to power the Old Gods.
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48. Ask about the gods of Old Valyria, what their domains were, what they demanded of their followers
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Personally, I believe they have to be answered. If only so we'll know what encounters will await us.

But I've also got this feeling we'll be dealing a lot with old and forgotten gods. Better get all the lore we can now, rather than meet some of them in these few months without any knowledge about them.
I'm not going to rely on luck in these matters, the RnG has proven we can't trust our rolls to be good in encounters.

Oh, and there's also the matter of Waymar's sister.
 
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Paradosi said:
I'm just curious if DP had actually said it, or if he merely implied it might happen. I honestly don't think it's as easy to kick-start the war as to simply take Dragonstone, because it's more than about being ready to conquer Westeros, it's about being willing and able. Lords tend to value their life and lands, and few would like risking all they have on what's not a sure deal.

It's why I don't see all too much folks going "I'm going to risk my life, my lands and my future" until we outright claim the Iron Throne. I'm sure most of these lords have some inkling of history, and they'd know that the Targaryens legit sat around on Dragonstone for centuries before they'd made their move. It's when we make landfall on Westeros proper that the parallels with Aegon will kick in. That's my opinion, at least.
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Dragonstone is officially part of the Iron Throne though.

Like, smashing Bobby's fleet is one thing, but taking someone's land, land that you claim to be yours, will make others think that you're going to want to take the rest, too.
There's no reason why Viserys would take Dragonstone, just off the coast of King's Landing, and then just sit on it, when everyone knows that he still desires the Iron Throne.

You can think of Aegon parallels, but unlike Aegon, Viserys wouldn't be conquering a foreign land, he would be taking back what is his by birthright.
 
egoo said:
Oh, and there's also the matter of Waymar's sister.
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That's going to be either slipped into this update, or it's going to be included in the next update with "Rumors & Earth-Shaking Secrets".
48. Ask about the gods of Old Valyria, what their domains were, what they demanded of their followers
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We can ask Malarys when we get his charactersheet. Hell, we can ask Aebys the dragonpen as well.
18. Tell us of the gods of elder days. For example, the great serpent Yss now resides in our island. What were the gods from his time? In a quest he gave us to find something deep within Sothoryos, the path there takes us past the remnants of a spider god's temple. Who is that god?​
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26. Ask about locations of great magical power, essentially places that we could loot/restore or use in some way to power the Old Gods.​
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Don't get me wrong, I would prefer to answer all the questions, but I can tell that both DP and the thread are wearing thin at the perpetual Q&A no matter how useful all the answers have been. Let's take the victory for what it is, we've already got a ton of lore and some very nice rituals & magic items & advice.
 
Also, the old gods have repeatedly told us they don't really know much about Valyria or anything not-Westros due to the lack of Weirwoods out that way.
 
Diomedon said:
Also, the old gods have repeatedly told us they don't really know much about Valyria or anything not-Westros due to the lack of Weirwoods out that way.
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Weirwoods used to cover all of Prime Material at the very beginning. There's a good chance they'd know of truly ancient lore like lore of Yss vs Lolth.

But you're right, Valyria questions are a dead end.
 
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