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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Diomedon said:
Four. Four Free Cities. Pentos completes the defensive line (and I'm still crossing my fingers that we can get the Windblown as sellswords so we both get a competent, experienced general figure, and someone to deal with running Pentos), letting us use the Rhoyne (via the little Rhoyne) in the north as a defensive geographic feature, as well as secure a land route (albeit a deliberately underdeveloped one) to Braavos.

As for both Tyrion and Samwell Tarly, I'm fairly certain if modifications are available, they have a very good chance at having been used, though Tywin has had run ins with...the dangers of magic. He might be wary using his son (he his his only heir right now) as test subject, since I don't think he has access to full wish. Randal Tarly on the other hand...has no compunctions. Best hope for Samwell is that he's now a genius bruiser. Worst case he's a monstrous Clegane 2: Clegane Harder.
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His only heir? What happened to Jaime in this quest?
 
Jaime is Kingsguard...

...and I feel like people keep forgetting what it really means to be Kingsguard. It's kind of a point that the vows they made, the vows Aerys made Jaime swear, precluded him from ever taking up Casterly Rock as Lord when Tywin died.

Well, they also included vows of celibacy, so. Understandable that people forget about it, seeing as how Jaime did.
 
Crake said:
The metafeats especially will add on to our bag of tricks, which is the main reason we even want a spell like Blood Wish to begin with. Pure, unadulterated versatility with manageable drawbacks.

Edit: Haha, @firefrog600, it's really fun to see people fresh-faced and not really in-step with our manifold machinations and irons in the fire.

Yes, we are well on our way to ending the practice of slavery, one Free City at a time. In fact, before we even conquer Westeros, we expect three of them to be totally fully emancipated.
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Conquest of Yi Ti sometime in the future? There has got to be some kind of barbaric practice they have we could go to war over and I think we should conquer everything or as much we can west of Westores before we try to claim the Iron Throne. Build up our power base.
 
Wheel of time said:
Conquest of Yi Ti sometime in the future? There has got to be some kind of barbaric practice they have we could go to war over and I think we should conquer everything or as much we can west of Westores before we try to claim the Iron Throne. Build up our power base.
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Valyria never conquered them and I don't think for a lack of ambition.
We don't want to try for a long while.
 
Azel said:
After a given point, there isn't much reason to pretend anymore.
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Well with our we fight the darkness that drags men down to destruction narrative we do need a better reason to wage war then you have great rescoures and I want your Ki and Martial Arts stuff for a super human elite force to impose my rule. The last reason is more my thing to be fair.
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Wheel of time said:
Well with our we fight the darkness that drags men down to destruction narrative we do need a better reason to wage war then you have great rescoures and I want your Ki and Martial Arts stuff for a super human elite force to impose my rule. The last reason is more my thing to be fair.
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I think we can cook up something. Worst case, we manufacture the Casus Belli whole cloth.
 
Valyria was largely hands off with some of the lands they did totally trounce, like the Ghyscari. And they made no serious attempts at dealing with Garin's curse, despite my thinking that they probably could have, it just would have been a little more costly for their tastes.

They were undisputed masters of Western Essos and up until the Doom still building much of it up. Tyrosh wasn't even more but a lame military outpost, a posting for the decrepit or failures, much like Westhaven is for it in the modern day.

Yi Ti was never conquered not because they were somehow superior to Valyria, but because of both distance and interest. They never took over Ghyscari lands. The were more interested in taking over Ghyscari colonies than their heartland. Why?

Because they got what they wanted out of the arrangement. They humbled the power that constantly pressed for any advantage, adopted the "best" parts of their enemies culture (rampant slavery), and stole the choicest bits of their overseas holdings that Valyria was mainly interested in to sate a thirst for resources. Maybe Yi TI had valuable resources... maybe they were too dangerous to contend with.

Regardless, Yi Ti now is a fractured land without any unity, a hundred princes, generals and sorcerer lords.

Doubtless fraught with danger, but not some super power in the modern day anymore.
 
Wheel of time said:
Conquest of Yi Ti sometime in the future? There has got to be some kind of barbaric practice they have we could go to war over and I think we should conquer everything or as much we can west of Westores before we try to claim the Iron Throne. Build up our power base.
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Probably not in the scope of the quest, and even if DP is still writing it at that point, that's years IRL away unless we start getting bigger timeskips.

Azel said:
After a given point, there isn't much reason to pretend anymore.
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Now, now. There's always a reason to pretend. Given enough time, I think it's plausible that either a) a large atrocity or mass demon summon will occur justifying intervention or B) We can peel away frontiers by being so obviously superior an empire.

Maintaining the whole benevolent empire thing means that people might be willing to come to us for help before the mass demon summoning occurs, since if they do that we merely get concessions and they are not afraid of us swooping in. Concessions, like, say, a small amount of tribute every year for, oh, 100 years, in exchange for this protection. And we'll need to send bureaucrats occasionally to help organize that. And some of our citizens have things they'd love to sell you, and the hundred years are up and...oh? Your city is de facto part of our empire, so closely tied to it economically and culturally that you just want to formalize it de jure? Sure!
 
firefrog600 said:
Hey guys are there any plans going for any of the known slave countries? Can we go full daenerys on slavers bay and take over or volantis for that matter? Because those countries I for the most part have no qualms on pillaging, taking over, assimilating, then disbanding slavery.
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I advise you read the thread's comment history. It can seem daunting, but 99% of what you ask has already been debated and settled on in between story updates.
 
Diomedon said:
Probably not in the scope of the quest, and even if DP is still writing it at that point, that's years IRL away unless we start getting bigger timeskips.



Now, now. There's always a reason to pretend. Given enough time, I think it's plausible that either a) a large atrocity or mass demon summon will occur justifying intervention or B) We can peel away frontiers by being so obviously superior an empire.

Maintaining the whole benevolent empire thing means that people might be willing to come to us for help before the mass demon summoning occurs, since if they do that we merely get concessions and they are not afraid of us swooping in. Concessions, like, say, a small amount of tribute every year for, oh, 100 years, in exchange for this protection. And we'll need to send bureaucrats occasionally to help organize that. And some of our citizens have things they'd love to sell you, and the hundred years are up and...oh? Your city is de facto part of our empire, so closely tied to it economically and culturally that you just want to formalize it de jure? Sure!
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Well here's to me hoping we encounter a wandering Xia to add to the party. Also I like how you think of using the giving hand to ensnare others its downright diabolical how kindness is twisted to our aims while still being the good guys.
 
bigbow said:
I advise you read the thread's comment history. It can seem daunting, but 99% of what you ask has already been debated and settled on in between story updates.
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That's like suggesting to binge read the Encyclopedia Britannica...

Except all authors are deranged madmen and half the entries are about blood sacrifice, salt or world conquest.
 
By the way, I intend to ask about hatching dragons after Rhaella wakes up. That should be something she has interest in and--ironically--a bit of familiarity in the midst of a whole lot of strangeness.

Also, you guys know how wild dragons used to roost in the Dragonmont before the Dance? You know what's probably up there? Eggs. I want to spend a day with the Wayfinder doing nothing but looking for eggs.
 
Though, on the matter of Yi Ti, it is worth noting...

A troop number cited as raised, that an Emperor's of Yi Ti could muster up to a three hundred thousand troops.

Say that a ruler of Westeros, who sat on the Iron Throne, managed to raise the full host of each of the Seven Kingdoms. It would be around four hundred thousand troops, though the bulk of that would be peasant levies. Utterly unacceptable. Let's say that we kept a fraction of that as men under arms in a standing army. Even one in ten men.

It'd be more like... 40,000 legionnaires. Sound about right? Maybe a bit more--which would account for, coincidentally... seven legions.

A Seven Kingdom Army, if you will.
 
[] Resurrect Rhaella

Yeaaah not falling for that trap. The moment we Rez Rhaella all our carefully planned questions will go by the wayside and you can bet DP will use it as an excuse to cut the list by 50% or more. Not that I blame him, the thing's huge.

And for the love of god, if we leave this cave without knowing how to deal with the Dracolich, then I'll swoop in through my PC screen and strangle Bloodraven myself!
 
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Duesal said:
By the way, I intend to ask about hatching dragons after Rhaella wakes up. That should be something she has interest in and--ironically--a bit of familiarity in the midst of a whole lot of strangeness.

Also, you guys know how wild dragons used to roost in the Dragonmont before the Dance? You know what's probably up there? Eggs. I want to spend a day with the Wayfinder doing nothing but looking for eggs.
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No, bad. That is a monumentally bad idea. None of this. Rhaella gave birth just outside Summerhall while her entire household died in agony.

Bad.
 
bigbow said:
[] Resurrect Rhaella

Yeaaah not falling for that trap. The moment we Rez Rhaella all our carefully planned questions will go by the wayside and you can bet DP will use it as an excuse to cut the list by 50% or more. Not that I blame him, the thing's huge.

And for the love of god, if we lieave this cave without knowing how to deal with the Dracolich, then I'll swoop in through my PC screen and strangle Bloodraven myself!
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Speaking of the List, we're making damn good progress on all our questions.
 
Crake said:
Also, I'm pretty sure that Cannibal ate all of those eggs, @Duesal.
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He can't have found all of the eggs, Crake. There has to be at least one, and it has to be detectable with our Wayfinder.

And even in the event that you're right and there are no Valyrian Dragon Eggs, there's still those smaller dragon things flying around the volcano. I'd love to see what they are and see if they're worth bringing to our kingdom. Maybe as subjects, maybe as familiars for our Scholarum magelings.

EDIT: But bottomline, we really do need to get started on getting more dragon eggs. Bloodraven gave us a pretty strong cue that we need those things for the legitimacy boost. And since I don't see Valyria happening any time soon, this is the next best thing short of assaulting King's Landing or Casterly Rock.
 
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Speaking of the Dracolich, now that we've (partly )slain the great Dictator of CR-appropriate encounters, does that then mean we can punt the dracolich to the Shadow plane and bring the whole party for a concentrated smackdown?

Edit: Without it spontaneously growing 5 levels I mean.
 
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