Hmm I feel Goldfish's plan lacks a little substance, could you add this?

-[X] Lady Valeana, let me be honest with you. Times are changing like never before, throught the world magic stirs anew like old coal and dry kindling set alight by the winds of a coming storm. I intend to ride at the forefront of that change, to reap its increadible rewards not only for myself but for those I rule... a time of change that will permit dreams and nightmares alike to come to life if but one dares to imagine...

-[X] but I cant do it alone. I'll need trusted people with me every step of the way. A new breed of nobleman and noblewoman to tame, no, to master this new world. Able with sword, wit and sorcery, they will embody my will across Westeros and perhaps... perhaps even beyond... and I believe that if you concentrate on your studies and your training, you, Valeana, will be at the vanguard of such group. It will not be easy, they will not be the knigths of old tales, there will be danger, mortal danger... but this I guarantee, Valeana... we will be able to create something for all the world to stand in awe of.

@Goldfish

Something like this?
 
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Hmm I feel Goldfish's plan lacks a little substance, could you add this?

-[X] Lady Valeana, let me be honest with you. Times are changing like never before, throught the world magic stirs anew like old coal and dry kindling set alight by the winds of a coming storm. I intend to ride at the forefront of that change, to reap its increadible rewards not only to myself but to those I rule...

-[X] but I cant do it alone. I'll need trusted people with me every step of the way. A new breed of nobleman and noblewoman to tame, no, to master this new world. Able with sword, wit and sorcery, they will embody my will across Westeros and perhaps... perhaps even beyond... and I believe that if you concentrate on your studies and your training, you, Valeana, will be at the vanguard of such group. It will not be easy, they will not be thr knigths of old tales, there will be danger, mortal danger... but this I guarantee, Valeana... we will be able to create something for all the world to stand in awe.

@Goldfish

Something like this?
@bigbow, Goldfish has already been swayed by TNE's arguments and switched over:
 
Oops, eer @TotallyNotEvil what do you think about this?

-[X] Lady Valeana, let me be honest with you. Times are changing like never before, throught the world magic stirs anew like old coal and dry kindling set alight by the winds of a coming storm. I intend to ride at the forefront of that change, to reap its increadible rewards not only for myself but for those I rule... a time of change that will permit dreams and nightmares alike to come to life if but one dares to imagine...

-[X] but I cant do it alone. I'll need trusted people with me every step of the way. A new breed of nobleman and noblewoman to tame, no, to master this new world. Able with sword, wit and sorcery, they will embody my will across Westeros and perhaps... perhaps even beyond... and I believe that if you concentrate on your studies and your training, you, Valeana, will be at the vanguard of such group. It will not be easy, they will not be thr knigths of old tales, there will be danger, mortal danger... but this I guarantee, Valeana... we will be able to create something for all the world to stand in awe.


Something like this? Its more meaty than "i'll need you later, get strong now"
 
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At this point, there is consensus. From my understanding of things, no one is overeager to slot any of our people into gish classes so long as overall thematic aesthetics are maintained. If she ends up getting a prestige class (assuming she rises high enough to join the main party) then that may be a concession of that class in itself.
 
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  • [X] Suggest she takes up classes in the Academy, her blood should allow her great potential as a sorceress, and she seems a smart and willful enough girl to make use of it (phrase it as a compliment).
    [X] Have her assist Alinor in her free time, if she so wishes.
    [X] Diomedon
    -[X] Lady Valeana, let me be honest with you. Times are changing like never before, throught the world magic stirs anew like old coal and dry kindling set alight by the winds of a coming storm. I intend to ride at the forefront of that change, to reap its increadible rewards not only for myself but for those I rule... a time of change that will permit dreams and nightmares alike to come to life if but one dares to imagine...
    -[X] but I cant do it alone. I'll need trusted people with me every step of the way. A new breed of nobleman and noblewoman to tame, no, to master this new world. Able with sword, wit and sorcery, they will embody my will across Westeros and perhaps... perhaps even beyond... and I believe that if you concentrate on your studies and your training, you, Valeana, will be at the vanguard of such group. It will not be easy, they will not be thr knigths of old tales, there will be danger, mortal danger... but this I guarantee, Valeana... we will be able to create something for all the world to stand in awe.
 
Oops, eer @TotallyNotEvil what do you think about this?

-[X] Lady Valeana, let me be honest with you. Times are changing like never before, throught the world magic stirs anew like old coal and dry kindling set alight by the winds of a coming storm. I intend to ride at the forefront of that change, to reap its increadible rewards not only to myself but to those I rule...

-[X] but I cant do it alone. I'll need trusted people with me every step of the way. A new breed of nobleman and noblewoman to tame, no, to master this new world. Able with sword, wit and sorcery, they will embody my will across Westeros and perhaps... perhaps even beyond... and I believe that if you concentrate on your studies and your training, you, Valeana, will be at the vanguard of such group. It will not be easy, they will not be thr knigths of old tales, there will be danger, mortal danger... but this I guarantee, Valeana... we will be able to create something for all the world to stand in awe.


Something like this?
@bigbow, tbh I just want to get her to get started on magic in general. DP said that she would need to be convinced to even start lessons for anything unladylike. I know a battlemage is awesome and I would love to get her started on something martial, but if we push for martial training now we'll have less of a chance of convincing her. Let's take it one step at a time. Lessons with Ser Richard won't be going anywhere. ;)
She isn't in the academy yet, no. Which is why I'm voting for pointing her there.
Err, @TotallyNotEvil, you're voting for putting Valaena in the Academy. Hermetia is the noblewoman we rescued from Volantis who DP confirmed is capable of gaining PC levels. I would be happy to boot her into the Academy, but I don't see that in your vote.

Anyway, when we make our sacrifice we'll get a chance to talk to Bloodraven. We should be thinking about the questions we want to ask him in advance.

Questions for Bloodraven:
1. If we grow a Heart Tree that doesn't have all secondary effects maxed out (basically anything less than a Tier 3 Tree), are we allowed to later make more sacrifices to max it out or are we stuck with the tree we've got?
2. Are we allowed to make sacrifices to extend the range of a Heart Tree? For example, if we have a Heart Tree with Tongues attached as one of the secondary effects, can we later make sacrifices to extend that range by several hundred more feet in every direction?
3. Can you tell us of the things you've glimpsed in Westeros? Any strange events we should be aware of?
4. Tiamat's demons told us they'd be seeking and aiding the Blackfyres against us. Any general advice?
5. How do we make sacrifices for rewards other than weirwoods? Do we just sacrifice while holding what we want in our minds, or is there another trick to it?
6. Do you have any servants/plans in Westeros we should take care not to interfere with? Ruining your plans out of ignorance would be unfortunate.
 
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@bigbow, tbh I just want to get her to get started on magic in general. DP said that she would need to be convinced to even start lessons for anything unladylike. I know a battlemage is awesome and I would love to get her started on something martial, but if we push for martial training now we'll have less of a chance of convincing her. Let's take it one step at a time. Lessons with Ser Richard won't be going anywhere. ;)

Err, @TotallyNotEvil, you're voting for putting Valaena in the Academy. Hermetia is the noblewoman we rescued from Volantis who DP confirmed is capable of gaining PC levels. I would be happy to boot her into the Academy, but I don't see that in your vote.

Anyway, when we make our sacrifice we'll get a chance to talk to Bloodraven. We should be thinking about the questions we want to ask him in advance.

Questions for Bloodraven:
1. If we grow a Heart Tree that doesn't have all secondary effects maxed out (basically anything less than a Tier 3 Tree), are we allowed to later make more sacrifices to max it out or are we stuck with the tree we've got?
2. Are we allowed to make sacrifices to extend the range of a Heart Tree? For example, if we have a Heart Tree with Tongues attached as one of the secondary effects, can we later make sacrifices to extend that range by several hundred more feet in every direction?
3. Can you tell us of the things you've glimpsed in Westeros? Any strange events we should be aware of?
4. Tiamat's demons told us they'd be seeking and aiding the Blackfyres against us. Any general advice?
5. How do we make sacrifices for rewards other than weirwoods? Do we just sacrifice while holding what we want in our minds, or is there another trick to it?
6. Do you have any servants/plans in Westeros we should take care not to interfere with? Ruining your plans out of ignorance would be unfortunate.

Maybe just ask about extensive lore of Heart Trees in general, let's not miss something by thinking were clever enough to ask every relevant question, though it might be worth keeping them as backup questions if he gets all cryptic wiseass on us.

Clarify what this hateboner they have is, or rather the targets and the resolution, also I saw a quote earlier that the Old Gods "would see" lines ended or something to that effect. The admittedly short quote is relevant because they have other champions doing that now, so if they haven't asked it of us directly we might have a much easier time than expected.
 
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Maybe just ask about extensive lore of Heart Trees in general, let's not miss something by thinking were clever enough to ask every relevant question, though it might be worth keeping them as backup questions if he gets all cryptic wiseass on us.

Clarify what this hateboner they have is and the resolution, also I saw a quote earlier that the Old Gods "would see" lines ended or something to that effect. The admittedly short quote is relevant because they have other champions doing that now, so if they haven't asked it of us directly we might have a much easier time than expected.
When we grew our Heart Tree, Bloodraven stuck around for a couple days after. I think we'll have plenty of time for all our questions.
 
@bigbow, Goldfish has already been swayed by TNE's arguments and switched over:

In this case "swayed" might be a bit too strong. I just don't mind her being a Sorcerer.

If the pizza I ate last night wasn't doing terrible things to me this morning, I might be more inclined to push for Vaelana to be a Cleric of the Merling King with the Ocean and Death Domains like I originally wanted.
 
In this case "swayed" might be a bit too strong. I just don't mind her being a Sorcerer.

If the pizza I ate last night wasn't doing terrible things to me this morning, I might be more inclined to push for Vaelana to be a Cleric of the Merling King with the Ocean and Death Domains like I originally wanted.
I wouldn't mind another cleric. :)

Maybe after a bit of time in the Academy DP will give us her charactersheet?
 
In this case "swayed" might be a bit too strong. I just don't mind her being a Sorcerer.

If the pizza I ate last night wasn't doing terrible things to me this morning, I might be more inclined to push for Vaelana to be a Cleric of the Merling King with the Ocean and Death Domains like I originally wanted.
Low average Wisdom in people who join us.
Wonder why that might be the case....
 
Cleric has the bonus of potentially being punchier than straight-up sorcerer.

I like punchy.
 
Merling King might not be the best choice though for Cleric. Sea, Death, and Passion are not the domains of an Army Commander, at least thematically (taken a whole.).
 
Abj Champion works perfectly fine for extra punchy.

You don't need much to use a lance, really. Get a +1 Valorous Lance, two feats to pick up Spirited Charge and there you go.
 
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[X] TotallyNotEvil
@DragonParadox could teana use the help in learning westerosi? What about the students at the academy?
Or maybe teaching courtly manners to our administrators? There has to be some customs of the westerosi nobility whores in braavos are not proficient on.
 
Abj Champion works perfectly fine for extra punchy.

You don't need much to use a lance, really. Get a +1 Valorous Lance, two feats to pick up Spirited Charge and there you go.

If we get control of her future levelups, this is a chance to pick spells none of our othet arcane casters have too. Which is neat.

A cleric would be mostly repeat of Dany's allowed list, or things Yrael knows. Right?
 
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