Also, since we've been screwed over with distances before, should we specify that we should all be a fair bit above the waves so a stray person underneath can't grab us?
The priority has to be on saving the party, the village is secondary to my mind
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Also, since we've been screwed over with distances before, should we specify that we should all be a fair bit above the waves so a stray person underneath can't grab us?
The priority has to be on saving the party, the village is secondary to my mind
- Location
- New York
They're not knights. They're fishermen.
Jorah Mormont (after being exiled for selling those very smallfolk into slavery) said:
Life may be cheap to them, but glory is cheaper still.
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
When I wrote it up, I was thinking about perception as much as utility. In the grande scheme of things, none of these peasants are terribly useful to our goals. But saving the children and the elderly, that sends a message that could very well spread beyond this small village. Viserys Targaryen is a man of the people; he cares for those who can't care for themselves. Think of the children!
So I wasn't being quite as blatantly PR-oriented as Azel, but the thought was heading in that direction.
Actually one question, how are we supposed to coordinate the defense of the village if the priority is our party? Won't we need to go to them first, organize and then quickly teleport back to the village?
I'm just concerned that if we don't go back to the party, then our whole plan is basically "do what we can to save the village" which could mean good points, notwithstanding all of our rationale behind it (which is scarcely good)
I'm just concerned that if we don't go back to the party, then our whole plan is basically "do what we can to save the village" which could mean good points, notwithstanding all of our rationale behind it (which is scarcely good)
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- Australia
Not even close to the same context.
Peasants don't give a shit about the game of thrones because one lord is the same as any other, they don't profit from a victory.
Lords tell tales of men's wars, peasants still talk about grumps and snarks and they just killed the terrors of the night, for the first time in generations the things 'the educated' told them didn't exist, ridiculed them for their superstition, was proved and felled at their hand. Drinking for free til the day they die is the least they will get from their participation.
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- Brazil
I don't get the "conga line of stupid" line. I think we handled this pretty well, no?
@Goldfish Quick Potion still doesn't allow for Personal range buffs. It's a neat spell for Lya to learn, no doubt about it. But far from essential in a party with as many spontaneous casters (whom have a lot of spell slots), a quick-entry Theurge and a DMM cleric.
And especially not something for a sorcerer to pick up as one of his limited spells known.
We could instead pick up Mirror Image, which we will likely use every single fight.
For fifth level, I really like the combination of Necrotic Skull Bomb and Baleful Polymorph. Goes really well with Pain Darts, too. Cast Darts, get them shaken, cast Skull Bomb, drain their levels. Baleful Poly on their much weakened fort save next turn.
Tho Cloudkill, being SR: No and Save: No, is very, very tempting. Especially with Black Tentacles.
@Goldfish Quick Potion still doesn't allow for Personal range buffs. It's a neat spell for Lya to learn, no doubt about it. But far from essential in a party with as many spontaneous casters (whom have a lot of spell slots), a quick-entry Theurge and a DMM cleric.
And especially not something for a sorcerer to pick up as one of his limited spells known.
We could instead pick up Mirror Image, which we will likely use every single fight.
For fifth level, I really like the combination of Necrotic Skull Bomb and Baleful Polymorph. Goes really well with Pain Darts, too. Cast Darts, get them shaken, cast Skull Bomb, drain their levels. Baleful Poly on their much weakened fort save next turn.
Tho Cloudkill, being SR: No and Save: No, is very, very tempting. Especially with Black Tentacles.
- Location
- Argentina
@TotallyNotEvil , Wall of Ooze - Therafim RPG is a Fort save or die, with SR: No, and multiple uses, because you can push people in there.
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- florida
Aside from dragging this whole village into it, and then telling them that we dragged their whole village into it.
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- Mexico
Hey, its turning out pretty well for anyone but the village...
And the illithids.
So pretty much just us, which is everyone that matters.
- Location
- Brazil
An underwater attack is highly unadvantageous to us.
Yeah, telling them had a bit of an unintended consequence, but the thread as a whole thought they'd be happy with it, and we soon corrected their attitude.
A handful of peasants maybe died to th sahuagin, but we killed an Ullitharid, the Ether Swimmer which can't possibly be cheap or easy to make, two chuuls and the CR 13 beetle, plus a ton of said sahuagin.
How could we have done it better?
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- Somewhere in Ontario
Put simply: that is never going to stop unless the system is removed entirely. If the people going Good become a majority, then the situation will flip - there will start being arguments of "oh don't do Evil things that bring benefit because we'll stop being Good."
The mechanics and tangible effects on personality ensure that there will always be disagreement over extreme alignment, and the hilariously swingy nature of the alignment scale means they happen very frequently and with a lot of fervor.
Yeah. That's not exactly a conga line of stupid, that's one bad mistake.
Anyway, I don't know if voting is closed yet or not, but anyway:
[X] Azel
- Location
- Brazil
Just a humanoid skull.
Shouldn't be too hard to put a dozen or so on our bag of holding.
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- Mexico
I think the components only matter when someone notices, like how we thought Maelor how to cast.
Maybe all magic is like that, and the most powerful wizards are those crazy enough to believe they can do anything.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
I don't get the conga line of stupid thing either. I think the whole situation was handled fairly well, especially since we didn't anticipate an enemy that would make liberal use of Divination magic to plan around our extensive preparations.
I'm not dead set on arguing for Quick Potion until I'm blue in the face, though I can see how it would be useful quite often. As I mentioned earlier, when keeping track of buffs has reached the point of multiple spreadsheets and relying almost entirely on Dany abusing the ever living hell out of Divine Metamagic, we might need to start taking a different approach to party enhancement.
I don't think Viserys needs more offensive combat spells right now. He's already heavily geared toward combat, this next level is an opportunity for us to pick up multiple highly useful spells. And carrying around multiple human skulls is really bad for our reputation among the non-mustache twirling evil populace.
I also think we should get rid of Black Tentacles. We've used it two or three times since Viserys learned it, and that's just unacceptable for a Sorcerer. There are any number of better spells we could replace it with, all of which would get far more use; Assay Spell Resistance, Ruin Delver's Fortune, Spell Enhancer, Celerity, etc.
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- Argentina
Necrotic Skull bomb has Fortitude Negates as a save. If you wanna lower a Fort save, you don't use a spell that already is resisted by that save.
And, as the bomb allows SR, it is effectively worse than Enervation, requiring a save after beating SR.
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- Brazil
Actually, I think Viserys does lack offensive spells in the sense is is unable to seal the deal, so to speak, without mostly resorting to blasting.
What about:
2nd: Blur
3rd: Air of Nobility
4th: ???
4th: Black Tentacles -> Solid Fog
5th: Baleful Polymorph and Necrotic Skull Bomb.
I know you like Heart of Earth, but we shouldn't usually be getting tangled in melee, especially now as we have Fly-By-Attack on LHD, so we can still bite and fly if we can't blast, and Shadow Wyrmling isn't supposed to do it anyway.
It's very neat for the nice amount of temp HP, and the free Stoneskin, but is it the spell we need right now?
Is it a worthy trade-off? I think so. Especially as a set up to Baleful Polymorph, or Poison, or Phantamal Killer, or Bestow Curse, or any of the real good SoL we have around, but by itself, it's well worth a swift action to cast, IMO.
Also, you have a Ooze problem Tomcost
It's a cleric spell, and it doesn't discriminate, and we'd still need to bullrush the targets there.
What about:
2nd: Blur
3rd: Air of Nobility
4th: ???
4th: Black Tentacles -> Solid Fog
5th: Baleful Polymorph and Necrotic Skull Bomb.
I know you like Heart of Earth, but we shouldn't usually be getting tangled in melee, especially now as we have Fly-By-Attack on LHD, so we can still bite and fly if we can't blast, and Shadow Wyrmling isn't supposed to do it anyway.
It's very neat for the nice amount of temp HP, and the free Stoneskin, but is it the spell we need right now?
It's a 20ft radius burst Evervation with a swift action cast. Enervation is also SR: Yes.
Is it a worthy trade-off? I think so. Especially as a set up to Baleful Polymorph, or Poison, or Phantamal Killer, or Bestow Curse, or any of the real good SoL we have around, but by itself, it's well worth a swift action to cast, IMO.
Also, you have a Ooze problem Tomcost
It's a cleric spell, and it doesn't discriminate, and we'd still need to bullrush the targets there.
- Location
- Russia
Do we still have enough Teleports to carry 4 pechs? Is our castle in range? If both answers are yes, then we can grab pechs and they have wall of stone SLA when working in groups, and that would probably stop wave better than wall of sand.
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- florida
I dunno, I think I might be being butt hurt.
I think its the reason we've been doing things this time that has been bothering me. This arc has dedicated an extraordinary amount of time to dodging good points.
This whole chain of events got kicked off because we didn't wanna heal that guy and keep our cover, why? Because it would have been the "Good" thing to do? This is where we wanted to set up an ambush for them?
Didn't we come here to heal some guys daughter originally? Also try and hunt down the Illithid nest?
This whole things just seems like it didn't need to happen, and now this town is getting wasted.
All that being said, if nobody dies, and the worst that happens is a lot of pissed off peasants, that's a win, I guess?
I'm kind of nervous I am getting a really bad feeling that there are way, way more mindflayers down there than we think there are.
I think its the reason we've been doing things this time that has been bothering me. This arc has dedicated an extraordinary amount of time to dodging good points.
This whole chain of events got kicked off because we didn't wanna heal that guy and keep our cover, why? Because it would have been the "Good" thing to do? This is where we wanted to set up an ambush for them?
Didn't we come here to heal some guys daughter originally? Also try and hunt down the Illithid nest?
This whole things just seems like it didn't need to happen, and now this town is getting wasted.
All that being said, if nobody dies, and the worst that happens is a lot of pissed off peasants, that's a win, I guess?
I'm kind of nervous I am getting a really bad feeling that there are way, way more mindflayers down there than we think there are.
- Location
- New York
The battle itself? Yes, I suppose. We lured powerful enemies onto land and destroyed them without anyone in the party dying, allowing for an underwater attack against a seriously weakened foe - though I'll caution that we have no idea how strong their forces actually are, or what their political situation is.
Everything to do with the village, though.... Operating on a lead that wasn't really there, choosing to set the defective illithid free instead of killing or curing, luring the attack to the village, and ultimately, perhaps, getting it destroyed. While being entirely open with the inhabitants about how we ruined their lives and expecting them to be thankful.
Not enough time to find them within SD.
I think you're exaggerating how much of a difference they'll notice. But we'll see.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Actually, I think Viserys does lack offensive spells in the sense is is unable to seal the deal, so to speak, without mostly resorting to blasting.
What about:
2nd: Blur
3rd: Air of Nobility
4th: ???
4th: Black Tentacles -> Solid Fog
5th: Baleful Polymorph and Necrotic Skull Bomb.
I know you like Heart of Earth, but we shouldn't usually be getting tangled in melee, especially now as we have Fly-By-Attack on LHD, so we can still bite and fly if we can't blast, and Shadow Wyrmling isn't supposed to do it anyway.
It's very neat for the nice amount of temp HP, and the free Stoneskin, but is it the spell we need right now?
It's a 20ft radius burst Evervation with a swift action cast. Enervation is also SR: Yes.
Is it a worthy trade-off? I think so. Especially as a set up to Baleful Polymorph, or Poison, or Phantamal Killer, or Bestow Curse, or any of the real good SoL we have around, but by itself, it's well worth a swift action to cast, IMO.
Also, you have a Ooze problem Tomcost
It's a cleric spell, and it doesn't discriminate, and we'd still need to bullrush the targets there.
One of the reasons Viserys' current combat spells haven't been able to seal the deal, so to speak, has been the increasing prevalence of Spell Resistance. We should get rid of Color Spray to learn True Casting or replace Black Tentacles with Assay Spell Resistance. Either option would largely solve our SR problem.
Baleful Polymorph is one of my favorite spells, so it's hard to argue against that. It's also a focused effect, which we need, rather than picking up another good area effect spell we can never use because of collateral damage. We really need Draconic Might, too, for the same reason we need Heart of Earth, but it's another one I won't argue for too much if the alternative is an acceptable alternative that we'll actually get regular use out of.
I like your earlier suggestion of Mirror Image for a 2nd level spell over Blur. Imagine several LHD Viserys' flying through the air all at once. That should be downright terrifying to many of our enemies. I wouldn't be unhappy if DP lets us learn Air of Nobility; the synergy between Viserys' diplomancing spells would be awe-inspiring.
Just because we should be avoiding melee doesn't mean we're going to do so; think of the voters and the decisions we make as a group. I'm not going to give up on Heart of Earth, it's too good and there have been too many times where Viserys' survival was down to pure stupid luck.
- Location
- Australia
Not getting Celerity is the worst possible decision we could make. I didn't want to talk it up too much in case DP nerfed it but it's stupid good for it's level. Action economy is king and it busts it open with an immediate action, as in not your turn, it's a better quicken (LVL 4 adjustment) for just a LVL 4 slot.
- Location
- Australia
Respectfully I think you need to reread the updates and the discussion following it.
Most of what you said has been explained or answered both OOC and IC to the peasants themselves and some is just untrue. E.g. we did try to cure the squid thing.