A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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I expected as much, it's insanely expensive in 3.5e dnd as well actually. adventurers are just insanely rich once they get a few levels.
Alright, seeing as we are aiming for being setting reasonable here, I am thinking of building him around a greatsword. dungeon crasher is not allowed, plate is too expensive, whirlwind attack not an option, AoO monster is a problem due to probably rarity of +dex enhancements but might be a path in the future. 2 handed for the insane damage boost from power attack.
BTW @DragonParadox do you allow that feat, I don't remember its name but I think its in complete warrior, it lets power attack give a malus to your AC instead of your hit chances? so instead of -3 attack +3 damage, you get -3 AC +damage?
I am guessing not because it is rather cheesy but I figured I would ask
How does this look for feats?
1. Power Attack, Improved Bull Rush, Cleave
2. Weapon focus (greatsword)
3. Improved Sunder
4. Weapon specialization (greatsword)
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ok, so putting this together, for now (subject to change)
[x][build] greatsword
skills:
Intimidate +7
Ride +4
Handle animal +4
Jump +3
Climb +2
Swim +1
feats:
level 1. Power Attack, Improved Bull Rush, Cleave
level 2. Weapon focus (greatsword)
level 3. Improved Sunder
level 4. Weapon specialization (greatsword)
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This seem to conflict with our cover story a bit
what if instead of "served our father" he was someone we knew from the golden company?
and that things didn't work out for him there so he left?
"You met him today by coincidence and managed to convince him he could make more reliable money working as muscle for the local thieves guild than as a wandering mercenary". No need to mention how exactly we convinced him, we are just that good with words.
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Combat expertise lets you trade in attack for dodge.
Combat reflexes sets your AoO number to your dex bonus, by default anyone can perform 1 AoO. So it doesn't give us +2, it changes it from 1 to 2. a +1.
Not that it is bad, AoO are awesome. if we can get him enlarge person it would be awesomer. And great cleave too... on the other hand improved bullrush is really nice too and I think probably better for him here unless we can get the enlarge person spell next levelup... the problem with that is that enlarge person reveals us as a sorcerer, and I don't see a real reason for him to be trained that way since he wouldn't have known he would work with a sorcerer one day.
Katsuragi
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Right, brain fart on that one.
Proposing this in case Kensai is an option. If it's not, ignore.
fighter is terrible, at the end of the day. We should find a PRC to aim for and make sure we've got the pre-reqs regardless.
build Kensai Prep
skills:
Concentration +4
Ride +4
Diplomacy +4
Handle animal +3
Spot: +3
Climb +1
Swim +1
feats:
level 1. Power Attack, Combat Expertise, able learner
level 2. Weapon focus (greatsword)
level 3. Cleave
level 4. Weapon specialization (greatsword)
Proposing this in case Kensai is an option. If it's not, ignore.
fighter is terrible, at the end of the day. We should find a PRC to aim for and make sure we've got the pre-reqs regardless.
build Kensai Prep
skills:
Concentration +4
Ride +4
Diplomacy +4
Handle animal +3
Spot: +3
Climb +1
Swim +1
feats:
level 1. Power Attack, Combat Expertise, able learner
level 2. Weapon focus (greatsword)
level 3. Cleave
level 4. Weapon specialization (greatsword)
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that is a good point. i think than that rather than building we should be asking QM which PRCs are allow, since there is a tight control over PRC allowance
And tome of battle is actually pretty decent
neither skill is a class skill for a fighter. at level 4 his current cap is 3, and without able learner it costs 2 point per rank instead of 1.
There is a reason why I put 7 points into intimidate, and that is because intimidate is the fighter's version of diplomacy and what he has as a class skill
is combat expertise a prereq for kensai? because it is aweful
Also, maybe he should also take a 1 level dip in rogue.
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What if one day some piece of information appears to contradict him being a former member of the Golden Company? It's one thing for us to say that we're a former squire (not like anyone pays much attention to those), but there's much greater prestige in belonging fully to that group, and if one of them visits Braavos before we take over, things could get ugly. And how willing is he to lie about this anyway?
We want him to help us with our jobs and guard Dany. There needs to be some reason why he doesn't just do whatever he wants once there and follows our lead instead.
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Fighter is actually a big step up from warrior which is what most NPCs are. Not all classes are created equal and QM is actually not trying to balance them, he is not a PC, he is a higher quality NPC.
As for going tome of battle... QM's policy is to ask approval, and that there must be an organization that is analogous there
And just because we dislike our father doesn't mean we can't take advantage of a connection to the past if it presents itself.
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Simple, we pay him to look after / teach danny, and then we "grow on him" over time.
Basically, he doesn't start out as our official follower immediately, but rather is someone we allegedly "sway" after some time.
Also, he obviously was impressed by our arguments for turning to crime
The issue is not that we dislike our father but that he never acknoledged us as one. He abandoned our mother when she got pregenant in the cover story, which means we wouldn't know his retainers and they wouldn't feel such positive relations to us.
Katsuragi
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Reqs:
Any Lawful (He's almost certainly Lawful)
BAB +5
Concentration 5, dip 5, ride 5
Combat Expertise, Weapon Focus any
Yup. ^. Trading one shitty feat and a handful of questionable skill ranks for the Kensai class, if it's an option. I'll wait on the QM to tell us if it is, though. If not, QM, what is our martial prestige options?
Kensai actually uses Concentration for it's class features (Including "Withstand" where he gets to use concentration in place of reflex checks), so that's not a waste.
Any Lawful (He's almost certainly Lawful)
BAB +5
Concentration 5, dip 5, ride 5
Combat Expertise, Weapon Focus any
Yup. ^. Trading one shitty feat and a handful of questionable skill ranks for the Kensai class, if it's an option. I'll wait on the QM to tell us if it is, though. If not, QM, what is our martial prestige options?
Kensai actually uses Concentration for it's class features (Including "Withstand" where he gets to use concentration in place of reflex checks), so that's not a waste.
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a waste in that we lose half the points if we put them in as a fighter
Without dipping anything, a pure fighter is only able to qualify to take this at level 11 because of the concentration and dip requirements.
I think we should find him a PRC that he can take sooner.
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In retrospect, what it actually says is that he didn't marry her, not that he outright abandoned her. so it might be possible for us to have been kept close-ish to the household.
So I guess that part is fine.
unless, is it possible for someone to hire from both the golden company and independents? so that we could have met him on some shared mission?
The key here is that he was a loyal and (more) prosperous retainer of our father and clings to things that remind him of those better times. Like we do, both appearance-wise and in some of our mannerisms. This could even be the start of an interesting game when someone tries to play him against us by telling him about how we hate our 'father' and how we're just deceiving him.
This class sounds like something you would find in far eastern Essos around the Jade sea. It does not fit at all.
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Alright, no kensai...
a really nice one is occult hunter, which probably doesn't fit at all either. and is actually of limited utility since there are so few mage opponents anyways
actually both kensai and occult hunter have the character develop mystical powers of some sort, which again probably do not fit the setting, its really hard to find something that does. yea, I got nothing
I think we might actually be best off keeping him as a straight fighter considering that. I just couldn't find a thematically appropriate PRC to suggest (that doesn't suck).
well, I did find one but that was mounted combat based. basically be a knight in shining armor type guy. get bonuses to mounted combat and better skills
a really nice one is occult hunter, which probably doesn't fit at all either. and is actually of limited utility since there are so few mage opponents anyways
actually both kensai and occult hunter have the character develop mystical powers of some sort, which again probably do not fit the setting, its really hard to find something that does. yea, I got nothing
I think we might actually be best off keeping him as a straight fighter considering that. I just couldn't find a thematically appropriate PRC to suggest (that doesn't suck).
well, I did find one but that was mounted combat based. basically be a knight in shining armor type guy. get bonuses to mounted combat and better skills
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You could also use the knight base class but that has its own issues.
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Yea, its kinda meh too.
And all that chivalry can't be good in the thieves guild. Anyways, here is my vote
[X][Story] Rickard, a knight from a minor noble house in the Crownlands, he had served your father loyally until the man died in the last war, which was when things started to go wrong for him. After a series of unfortunate occurrences, he's found himself bereft of land and money and went to Essos to work as a mercenary. You met him today by coincidence and managed to convince him to join the guild.
[x][build] greatsword
skills:
Intimidate +7
Ride +4
Handle animal +4
Jump +3
Climb +2
Swim +1
feats:
level 1. Power Attack, Improved Bull Rush, Cleave
level 2. Weapon focus (greatsword)
level 3. Improved Sunder
level 4. Weapon specialization (greatsword)
Katsuragi
The 1%
Oh well, looks good enough.
[X] mrttao
[X] mrttao