@DragonParadox
Not to annoy you, but I'm still not sure what happened to the cult of Trios?

I'd be perfectly fine with a little OOC note if the transition into a philosophy was successful or if the Inquisition got work.
Also how the waxen mage is doing.
 
@DragonParadox
Not to annoy you, but I'm still not sure what happened to the cult of Trios?

I'd be perfectly fine with a little OOC note if the transition into a philosophy was successful or if the Inquisition got work.
Also how the waxen mage is doing.

I'm no annoyed, you are right I really do need to to get to it. The trouble is I kind of want to develop it and for that it has to fit in the narrative at least a little, if only from being spoke from a Tyroshi PoV or something and I have not found the wedge to talk about it yet

An OOC note would kill all chance of an interlude and I do not want to risk that when it's such an interesting subject
 
Heavy cavalry is pretty much meaningless in planar warfare, to say nothing of a knightly order or similar outfight being highly unlikely to reach a size where they could even muster a battalion sized force.
true but we can replace the horses with something more effective easily enough through trading for new war beasts or use of the flesh forge but heavy cav should be plenty useful in the prime material right now though
 
true but we can replace the horses with something more effective easily enough through trading for new war beasts or use of the flesh forge but heavy cav should be plenty useful in the prime material right now though
There is no ride able war beast that would make sense on a battlefield that is 50% underground, 50% trenches and 50% explosions. Fleshforged soldiers are a different matter, but there is plainly no horse-equivalent that is more than ablative armor in these fights.

Likewise, there is nothing on the Prime Material either that cavalry can do that other forces of the Imperium can't do significantly better.
 
Heavy cavalry is pretty much meaningless in planar warfare, to say nothing of a knightly order or similar outfight being highly unlikely to reach a size where they could even muster a battalion sized force.
The Knightly Order is mostly just to keep the nobility busy with something other than trying to get any real power.
 
The Knightly Order is mostly just to keep the nobility busy with something other than trying to get any real power.
To be fair to the idea of not wanting calcifying institutions hanging around like the dead horse that couldn't stop being beaten, I'm sure the intention is mostly to create opportunities for prestige that also don't have the unfortunate tendency to create expectations which cannot be fulfilled.

Like daring military actions for nobles who actually expected the chance to be able to tell tall tales with at least a little actual substance.
 
what about paladin orders ? those have magic to even things out and would still fit in with what Westrosi consider acceptable as Paladin powers are basically you take an oath and because words in D&D have power you gain paladin levels the more you uphold that oath and further said oath and of course you lose said paladin levels if you break said oath
 
what about paladin orders ? those have magic to even things out and would still fit in with what Westrosi consider acceptable as Paladin powers are basically you take an oath and because words in D&D have power you gain paladin levels the more you uphold that oath and further said oath and of course you lose said paladin levels if you break said oath

Well paladins are useful of course, but they are useful as PCs not military units
 
what about paladin orders ? those have magic to even things out and would still fit in with what Westrosi consider acceptable as Paladin powers are basically you take an oath and because words in D&D have power you gain paladin levels the more you uphold that oath and further said oath and of course you lose said paladin levels if you break said oath
PCs in general have been sidelined for the large scale military conflicts, unless we're talking archmages.
 
Simply put, the Westerosi traditions of knighthood and warrior nobility are just dead horses at this point. So is the classical notion of roving adventurers for that matter.

These social niches are filled by institutions in the Imperium. Ministries that keep the gribblies from moving in and an Inquistion to boot them out if they snuck through. An organized military in the Imperial Armed Forces, which have a purely meritocratic system of officer promotion and no room for individual gloryhounding.
 
Simply put, the Westerosi traditions of knighthood and warrior nobility are just dead horses at this point. So is the classical notion of roving adventurers for that matter.

These social niches are filled by institutions in the Imperium. Ministries that keep the gribblies from moving in and an Inquistion to boot them out if they snuck through. An organized military in the Imperial Armed Forces, which have a purely meritocratic system of officer promotion and no room for individual gloryhounding.
I'm hoping we eventually get enough Erinyes to make a bonafide military unit out of them. Mammon, we're counting on you!
 
[X] Keep things as is, the citizens of the Western Provinces will have to get used the seeming paradox
 



I know right? You expect someone to actually ask "wait this doesn't match up with the rest of the faith, should we double check some stuff?" but then those folks probably don't make good cultists.

There's a simple way to stop wiseguys from trying the whole corporations are people trick.

Make it legal for them to file for that status, then charge the owners of any company that actually does so with slavery. :V

Anyone who wants to argue can publicly try to argue their point without saying something to the effect of "like a person, expect you can own it" while standing before a crowd of former slaves.
 
No no, you see they're special and get the true faith instead of that co-opted shit from the "High Septon" who knelt to devil spawn!!

Yeah, they directly worship the head devil instead of the guy wearing its skin (as a mantle).

[X] Keep things as is, the citizens of the Western Provinces will have to get used the seeming paradox
 
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Interlude MCCXL: Of Misplaced Magic
Of Misplaced Magic

Fifth Day of the Twelfth Month 294 AC

For a long moment there was silence in the chamber, thoughtful as it was companionable. Viserys was nothing if not thorough in considering his options, Garin knew, and this was rather a large one he had strung over cinnamon soup, impacting as it did the functioning of the Inquisition over almost half the realm. "I think we should leave things as is," he said at last. "There will be misunderstandings I do not doubt and offense will be taken, but better that the lords and citizens alike grow accustomed to the ways of the Inquisition than for it play games of stagecraft. All it would take is one drawing of the curtain at the wrong moment and we would be far worse off, not to mention that perception impacts identity. The least thing the Imperium needs is a cultural cleavage inside the Inquisition."

The High Inquisitor nodded, acknowledging the point as much as the command, but he added also. "There are going to be incidents, public ones as time goes on. We cannot count on always stamping out the fire before the smoke shows."

"The realm is strong enough to withstand a bit of friction for the sake of the Inquisition doing its job," Viserys' words were confident and rightly so from what Garin had seen. For a state so new to the world the Imperium was set upon foundations of stone, but still its walls were as wood and friction could make sparks.

Modifier Skewed Perceptions added to Inquisition actions: -5 to all actions taking place in Westeros

***​

Alas the day was not done with its downpour of poor reports and unwelcome news, though at least this one did not originate with any trouble with the Inquisition, it was simply that the local commissar had heard the news first and carried it furthest. It had all started with a simple criminal case. A petty Riverlander noble Ser Karl Barliman had been appointed steward of Baron Condon who was...

Garin shuffled through the papers to make sure he was not mixing up his nobles and their ranks, they were as touchy as the Volantenes about it.

One of the principal vassals of Count Cerwyn, himself a vassal of the Starks of Winterfell. By all accounts this Barliman fellow had promised that he would revolutionize irrigation, the better to take advantage of the new harvest rituals and foreign grain types, but the results had not been nearly as remarkable as the baron had expected and he had not been inclined to listen to any excuses about poor soil quality and the time it would take to fix it. Thus the lord had gotten it into his head that he was robbed and, being the local dispenser to justice that he was, tossed Barliman into the dungeons awaiting trial.

To his seeming good fortune House Condon had the services of a leshy magician, one who could weave simple truth finding spells, and the lord being a direct sort of fellow made use of these magics as the only source of evidence in the trial, for after all what more would be needed than the blessing of the Old Gods?

When he reached that part of the report Garin practically winced in his seat. It did not take a genius to realize what was coming.

The accused resisted the spell on the grounds that he was innocent and would accept any 'witchery'. When the leshy reported that the man had denied the spell the already incensed baron had taken that as a sign that he was adding blasphemy to trickery and theft, declared him guilty and had him hanged.

Ser Karl had not been guilty, though if that had been the end of it perhaps it could have been smoothed over without coming out into the public eye, but he had actually managed to smuggle out a letter to Duke Manderly who had among his many titles the Defender of the Faith and took it seriously when it came to the North. In this letter the doomed Ser Karl passionately defended his right to be judged based on evidence fairly gained and not the work of spirits and the weaving of spells, that he would not have to bare the inner sanctum of his mind to preserve his life.

Manderly was already flying to the capital and according to his valet, who had been an Inquisition source for the past three months, he was utterly furious not only at Baron Condon, but at the wide latitude of judges to command truth spells and interpret the results. He apparently intended to make a proposal in the Curia that one could opt out of the use of any magics on religious grounds so long as one was a member of a recognized religion.

Aid in Imposing Imperial Law Centers of Production (Ministry of Magic): 29 - 10 (Failed accompanying Inquisition action) = 19 (Failure)

What do you do?

[] Speak to duke Manderly about his proposal before he takes it to the floor
-[] Write in

[] Address the matter once it reaches the floor of the Curia
-[] Write in

[] Write in


OOC: Not the worst place you could have had a fail, still a bit of a pickle for you judicially since the fact that the offending spell was cast by a leshy is going to make this a bit of a religiously charged question as well.
 
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Of Misplaced Magic

Fifth Day of the Twelfth Month 294 AC

For a long moment there was silence in the chamber, thoughtful as it was companionable. Viserys was nothing if not thorough in considering his options, Garin knew, and this was rather a large one he had strung over cinnamon soup, impacting as it did the functioning of the Inquisition over almost half the realm. "I think we should leave things as is," he said at last. "There will be misunderstandings, I do not doubt, and offense will be taken, but better that the lords and citizens alike grow accustomed to the ways of the Inquisition than for it to play games of stagecraft. All it would take is one drawing of the currtain at the wrong moment and we would be far worse off, not to mention that perception impacts identity. The least thing the Imperium needs is a cultural cleavage inside the Inquisition."

The High Inquisitor nodded, acknowledging the point as much as the command, but he added also, "There are going to be incidents, public ones as time goes on. We cannot count on always stamping out the fire before the smoke shows."

"The realm is strong enough to withstand a bit of friction for the sake of the Inquisition doing its job," Viserys' words were confident, and rightly so from what Garin had seen. For a state so new to the world, the Imperium was set upon foundations of stone, but still its walls were as wood and friction could make sparks.

Modifier Skewed Perceptions added to Inquisition actions: -5 to all actions taking place in Westeros

***​

Alas, the day was not done with its downpour of poor reports and unwelcome news, though at least this one did not originate with any trouble of the Inquisition, it was simply that the local commissar had heard the news first and carried it furthest. It had all started with a simple criminal case. A petty Riverlander noble, Ser Karl Barliman, had been appointed steward of Baron Condon who was...

Garin shuffled through the papers to make sure he was not mixing up his nobles and their ranks, they were as touchy as the Volantines about it.

...One of the principal vassals of Count Cerwyn, himself a vassal of the Starks of Winterfell. By all accounts, this Barliman fellow had promised that he would revolutionize irrigation, the better to take advantage of the new harvest riutals and foreign grain types, but the results had not been near as remarkable as the baron had expected, and he had not been inclined to listen to any excuses about poor soil quality and the time it would take to fix it. Thus, the lord had gotten it into his head that he was robbed and, being the local dispenser of justice that he was, tossed Barliman into the dungeons awaiting trial.

To his seeming good fortune, House Condon had the services of a leshy magician, one who could weave simple truth finding spells, and the lord being a direct sort of fellow made use of these magics as the only source of evidence in the trial, for after all what more would be needed than the blessing of the Old Gods?

When he reached that part of the report Garin practically winced in his seat. It did not take a genius to realize what was coming.

The accused resisted the spell on the grounds that he was innocent and would submit to any 'witchery'. When the leshy reported that the man had denied the spell, the already incensed baron had taken that as a sign he was adding blasphemy to trickery and theft, and declared him guilty and had him hanged.

Ser Karl had not been guilty, though if that had been the end of it perhaps it could have been smoothed over without coming out into the public eye, but he had actually managed to smuggle out a letter to Duke Manderly, who had among his many titles the Defender of the Faith, and took it seriously when it came to the North. In this letter, the doomed Ser Karl passionately defended his right to be judged based on evidence fairly gained and not the work of spirits and the weaving of spells that he would not have to bare the inner sanctum of his mind to preserve his life.

Manderly was already flying to the capital and according to his valet, who had been an Inquisition source for the past three months, he was utterly furious not only at Baron Conton, but at the wide latitude of judges to command truth spells and interpret the results. He apparently intended to make a proposal in the Curia that one could opt out of the use of any magics on religious grounds so long as one was a member of a recognized religion.

Aid in Imposing Imperial Law Centers of Production (Ministry of Magic): 29 - 10 (Failed accompanying Inquisition action) = 19 (Failure)

What do you do?

[] Speak to Duke Manderly about his proposal before he takes it to the floor
-[] Write in

[] Address the matter once it reaches the floor of the Curia
-[] Write in

[] Write in


OOC: Not the worst place you could have had a fail, still a bit of a pickle for you judicially since the fact that the offending spell was cast by a leshy is going to make this a bit of a religiously charged question as well. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
 
He apparently intended to make a proposal in the curia that one could opt out of the use of any magics on religious grounds so long as one was a member of a recognized religion.
Yeah, funny idea, but no.

Simply because there is not really a hard line between different types of divination.
And we certainly won't stop using those in general, particularly for the Inquisition, but also for the more common cases for the law.

Edit: A failed truth-spell is no evidence, except of the target's will. If need be the spell can be repeated multiple times over days and weeks until there is solid evidence.
 
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Ya'll might want to handle this differently, but I couldn't possibly be more against making religious exceptions to anything. The very concept is like nails scratching on a chalkboard in my brain.

I don't want to try to head off Manderly, either. Let's get this out in the open and nipped in the bud sooner rather than later.

[X] Address the matter once it reaches the floor of the Curia
-[X] We have no intention of allowing anyone in a criminal case to opt out of being subjected to truth finding spells, though that does not mean such spells can be used to unfairly invade one's privacy. When spells are used in this manner during a trial or during the investigation into a crime preceding a trial, the questions will be strictly limited to discovering the subject's guilt or innocence in relation to the crime(s) being investigated and nothing more. Any attempt to deviate from these guidelines will result in ruinous fines, dismissal from service, and subsequent blacklisting throughout the Imperium.
--[X] Of course, a failed truth spell itself is no evidence of wrongdoing, merely a sign that the subject's will could not be overcome by that particular casting of the spell. Additional casting attempts may be needed.
 
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So, gentlemen, I have been quite out of the more strategic aspects of the quest because I had been fatally busy. I'm getting a new job so this is likely to change in the coming weeks.

So, where is the data about all our provinces and the state of each one? Like, for example, in which ones we have imposed law and in which ones we haven't
 
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