So basically, it could power a metaphysical WMD?
Basically.

What we did with the Court of Stars was highly targeted thanks to us having the Crown of Flowers as the single best focus we could have asked for. Because of that we only needed a few thousand demons.

But hundreds of thousands of sacrifices? With that you can curb stomp a continent.
 
Basically.

What we did with the Court of Stars was highly targeted thanks to us having the Crown of Flowers as the single best focus we could have asked for. Because of that we only needed a few thousand demons.

But hundreds of thousands of sacrifices? With that you can curb stomp a continent.
When she first heard about it Dany mentioned that the completly undifferentiated sacrifice and suffering of a million people in fire like that would most likely just open a gate to the Abyss, rather than being useful for any more directed ritual.
 
do phoenixes do that reincarnation thing or get reborn from ashes in dnd? I forgot.

I had not followed the quest for a few months, and only just now caught back up again. It is nice that we got Qohor though.
 
do phoenixes do that reincarnation thing or get reborn from ashes in dnd? I forgot.

I had not followed the quest for a few months, and only just now caught back up again. It is nice that we got Qohor though.

Lesser phoenixes to not have it, they just have healing magic. there are greater ones who do but you do not have any of those in your service, and if you did they would not have been killed by a mob.
 
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Lesser phoenixes to not have it, they just have healing magic. there are greater ones who do but you do not have any of those in your service, and if you did they would not have been killed by a mob.
Only time we've seen a greater Phoenix mentioned was that cat's old master sacrificing one in an attempt to stop the Abyss gate at Mantarys. Did he convince it to sacrifice itself or something? If so, props to him.
 
Only time we've seen a greater Phoenix mentioned was that cat's old master sacrificing one in an attempt to stop the Abyss gate at Mantarys. Did he convince it to sacrifice itself or something? If so, props to him.
Velen has become very powerful, especially compared to his base form when we first found him. IIRC, he used to be a Greater Phoenix before he was bound and his power worn away by the long eons trapped in that chalice.

@DragonParadox, is there any possibility of Velen growing strong enough to return to his Greater Phoenix form? If so, how much further does he have to go?
 
Velen has become very powerful, especially compared to his base form when we first found him. IIRC, he used to be a Greater Phoenix before he was bound and his power worn away by the long eons trapped in that chalice.

@DragonParadox, is there any possibility of Velen growing strong enough to return to his Greater Phoenix form? If so, how much further does he have to go?
Greater Phoenix Velen would be great.
 
There's probably a significant degree of efficiency loss in rituals of that type as well.

Not just from the scale, but also because it basically sidesteps the willing or helpless requirement of most other sacrificial magic we've seen so far.

If there isn't one it opens up all kinds of variable unfortunate tactics for the major powers of the setting.

Mass buffs fueled by sacrificial artillery barrage, self propagating mine blood drinking minefields, and whatever else Asmodeus would have on back order this month would be a real pain to deal with.
 
Velen has become very powerful, especially compared to his base form when we first found him. IIRC, he used to be a Greater Phoenix before he was bound and his power worn away by the long eons trapped in that chalice.

@DragonParadox, is there any possibility of Velen growing strong enough to return to his Greater Phoenix form? If so, how much further does he have to go?

I'm going to say no on that, for the simple reason that he would have to give up his music. HD may be a bit of an abstraction but they represent very real power that cannot come out of nowhere.
 
There's probably a significant degree of efficiency loss in rituals of that type as well.

Not just from the scale, but also because it basically sidesteps the willing or helpless requirement of most other sacrificial magic we've seen so far.

If there isn't one it opens up all kinds of variable unfortunate tactics for the major powers of the setting.

Mass buffs fueled by sacrificial artillery barrage, self propagating mine blood drinking minefields, and whatever else Asmodeus would have on back order this month would be a real pain to deal with.
Don't worry. Asmodeus has spent his time wisely.
 
Part MMMDCCCLVIII: Embers of Artifice
Embers of Artifice

Twenty-First Day of the Eleventh Month 294 AC

Such a bloody waste... You shake your head as you set down the last report. Likely as not those guilty will be executed, or at the least if they should find a sympathetic judge serve long years of prison, and all for what? For fear of a phantasm, a peril which never was? The Heralds are sent out, the messages drafted, and one can but hope that they shall spread the truth faster then the lies can spill out to poison the hearts of men. If nothing else you are at least quite certain they shall suffer no harm from the task.

"Someone'll try something, just you watch," Clegane mutters under his breath, drawing curious looks from the officials present and a snicker from Dany.

"Anyone dumb enough to try something with a huge steel dragon that breathes flame deserves what they get for their trouble," your sister notes, a dark edge to her words. She glances at you, a unspoken question in her eyes. Can we... should we?

It is a strange thing to have the power to turn back the hand of death and spin again the thread of a life cut too soon. You would not wish yourself parted of it certainly, but with the power comes its own weight. Thus lives are weighed in glassteel, in marks, thus they are tallied in ledgers not once, as risk of death, but twice in hope of return. You nod, it would make for a good precedent for Scholarum mages who travel into far off parts under the command of the throne to know that a heroic death would see a path opened to return.

Others had died unable to look into the eyes of their killers, not knowing why and how as the flames overcame them, not in the midst of some great deed, but in just another day in Everfire Dale. Some had been brought back, the most willing among and the most skilled; healers, battle mages, the heads of alchemical production lines, but there are not enough diamonds in the Opaline Vault nor enough arcane reagents in all the groves of the realm to restore all those who lost their lives to the efreeti.

There came a point sharp as a spear's tip where you would lose more than you would gain by trying to summon more from the beyond where one could not justify in the long term or in the short weaving the spells of resurrection. So now here you stand. Of the more than thirty thousand people who died only six hundred fifty three have been returned to life, inducing wyvern pilots, gravjamer engineers, communications officers, sorcerers and artificers. Most often to return even one of these people you had to pledge to do the same to their closest kin, for men are not tools or automata, to work and to serve, to live in a world alone for duty or vengeance.

Some of them have kin elsewhere or at the very least have some notion of where they might go from here, if only 'to the next assignment', but for many of the returned there is no place to go beyond the Dale and so you are left with a conundrum. What to do with people, with families, who have nothing beyond what the throne might give them? Compared to the cost of pulling back the curtain of death this will cost little, but the question remains where do you need them most, and where do they need to be?

[] Send them throughout many of the cities of the realm, prioritizing safe quiet postings and access to mind healers

[] Send them to where they are most needed to aid with the reconstruction (will hasten reconstruction)


OOC: So I thought about making this a choice of 'how many do you save', but the problem with that is that the limiting factor is money, something that has been abstracted away and I did not want to unpack the abstraction. I briefly thought about making it cost AP in various forms, but then I would have to unpack that abstraction and justify it so I want with what seemed like a reasonable number of successful resurrections (300 odd essential personnel and about as many of their close family members) and I made the choice more about how to deal with the aftermath.
 
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[X] Send them to where they are most needed to aid with the reconstruction (will hasten reconstruction)

We need those work stations, they can get quiet postings after that.
 
Embers of Artifice

Twenty-First Day of the Eleventh Month 294 AC

Such a bloody waste... You shake your head as you set down the last report. Likely as not, those guilty will be executed, or at the least, if they should find a sympathetic judge, serve long years of prison, and all for what, for fear of a phantasm, a peril which never was. The Heralds are sent out, the messages drafted, one can but hope that they shall spread the truth faster then the lies can spill out to poison the hearts of men. If nothing else, you are at least quite certain they shall suffer no harm from the task.

"Someone'll try something, just you watch," Clegane mutters under his breath, drawing curious looks from the officials present and a snicker from Dany.

"Anyone dumb enough to try something with a huge steel dragon that breathes flame deserves what they get for their trouble," your sister notes, a dark edge to her words. She glances at you, an unspoken question in her eyes. Can we... should we?

It is a strange thing to have the power to turn back the hand of death and spin again the thread of a life cut too soon. You would not wish yourself parted of it certainly, but with the power comes its own weight. Thus lives are weighed in glasseel, in marks, thus they are tallied in ledgers not once, as risk of death, but twice in hope of return. You nod, it would make for a good precedent for Scholarum mages who travel into far off parts under the command of the throne to know that a heroic death would see a path opened to return.

Others had died unable to look into the eyes of their killers, not knowing why and how as the flames overcame them, not in the midst of some great deed, but in just another day in Everfire Dale. Some had been brought back, the most willing among the most skilled, healers, battle mages, the heads of alchemical production lines, but there are not enough diamonds in the Opaline Vault nor enough arcane reagents in all the groves of the realm to restore all those who lost their lives to the Efreeti.

There came a point sharp as a spear's tip where you would lose more than you would gain by trying to summon more from the beyond, where one could not justify in the long term or in the short weaving the spells of resurrection. So now here you stand. Of the more than thirty thousand people who died, six hundred fifty three have been returned to life, including wyvern pilots, gravjammer engineers, communications officers, sorcerers and artificers. Most often to return, even one of these people you had to pledge to do the same to their closest kin, for men are not tools or automata, to work and to serve, to live in a world alone for duty of vengeance.

Some of them have kin elsewhere, or at the very least have some notion of where they might go from here, if only 'to the next assignment', but for many of the returned there is no place to go beyond the Dale. And so you are left with a conundrum, what to do with people, with families who have nothing beyond what the throne might give them. Compared to the cost of pulling back the curtain of death, this will cost little, but the question remains, where do you need them most, and where do they need to be?

[] Send them throughout many of the cities of the realm, prioritizing safe quiet postings and access to mind healers

[] Send them to where they are most needed to aid with the reconstruction (will hasten reconstruction)


OOC: So I thought about making this a choice of 'how many do you save', but the problem with that is that the limiting factor is money, something that has been abstracted away and I did not want to unpack the abstraction. I briefly thought about making it cost AP in various forms, but then I would have to unpack that abstraction and and justify it so I want with what seemed like a reasonable number of successful resurrections (300 odd essential personnel and about as many of their close family members) and I made the choice more about how to deal with the aftermath. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.

I also highlighted one part in red that needs some additional attention. I'm not sure what you intended, but the wording doesn't quite work as is.
 
serve long years of prison

since when do prisons exist in this middle ages type setting , like dungeons sure but they were always a temporary thing until who ever is being held is judged/executed/dealt with , actual proper prisons for the long term holding of a large number of people as we know them didn't appear until the early modern era as resources became less scarce with the advent of industrialization , plus in the middle ages a place like our modern prisons where a criminals are fed , housed and clothed at the governments expense would be seen as madness especially since your average commoner in the middle ages could not be so sure of ready access to to such a quality of life himself

also When did we take an action to set up a prison system ? cause I can't remember
 
[X] Send them to where they are most needed to aid with the reconstruction (will hasten reconstruction)
 
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