They seem to be looking for agricultural colonies on the Prime Material as well as buying certain artifacts and lore, like the altar, though they were also interested in books on blood magic and Valyrian enchanting.
Well, that covers the "what", but not even slightly the "what for". But good to know that Tywin is an idiot who makes deals without considering what his partners motives are.

Not interested in cutting deals with someone we have zero read on.
 
Well, that covers the "what", but not even slightly the "what for". But good to know that Tywin is an idiot who makes deals without considering what his partners motives are.

Not interested in cutting deals with someone we have zero read on.

Oh the motivation, as far as the Shaitan have been able to understand the basic drive of Formian hives is to grow, in both numbers, technology and understanding. Some suspect it is a mental scar or lingering impulse from whoever made and enslaved them (if they were indeed ever slave), while others posit that it is the impulse of any polity, just stripped of the niceties that most societies dress them up as.
 
[X] Plan Status Quo Ante Bellum
-[X] Formally negotiate a peace between their hive and the Imperium. Had they not been allied to the Lannisters, you would have no quarrel with them, and now that they are gone, you see no reason to continue it.
-[X] Offer them to return the bodies of their dead as a sign of goodwill, to be disposed or processed as it is their custom.
-[X] After that is done, collapse the Gates beneath Casterly Rock. You can construct a Terminus to any place in the PoE that is suitable for an outpost, so there is no reason to keep open portals leading to nothing except semi-hostile polities.
 
@Azel, it is naturally implied that under the given base agreement they are to leave Plane Material entirely (I assume they are not idiotic enough to having already moved all their assets out, beyond the farms themselves we probably have spies and stuff still around) and not dare to set a limb back without having prior agreement with us, yes?

[X] Azel
 
@Azel, it is naturally implied that under the given base agreement they are to leave Plane Material entirely (I assume they are not idiotic enough to having already moved all their assets out, beyond the farms themselves we probably have spies and stuff still around) and not dare to set a limb back without having prior agreement with us, yes?

[X] Azel
Of course. At no point did we give them permission to settle our territory, so if they tried to reclaim those areas, that would be an act of war.
 
By Strange Lights

First Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

The Ant-Folk are an industrious people and well inclined to hold to their given word, but warlike and grim in their endless toil. They claim to have been wrought as slaves to some nameless master whom they escaped by skill and diligence unparalleled, though no tale of ours stretches back that far through the ages. When the City of Gold was first raised, they delved through the secret places of the world and when the first Sultan lead us into the Vault they yet were there, gnawing at the edges of the realm to test if we were something to be consumed as the soft clay or avoided as veins of adamantine.

The words of the shaitan envoy come back to you as you descend into the tunnels beneath the Rock once more, and to the guarded door between the realms in the company of Ser Richard, always at your side in peril, Malarys for his skill at parsing out law and treaty should it be needed, and last though certainly not least, Lya for the sheer curiosity of meeting a folk yet unknown to her, wielding no doubt strange and intriguing magics.

Dany had drawn the proverbial short straw of staying behind in the Deep so that there would be someone to deal with issues in the wake of the coronation. Given how many folk of differing lands and customs had been gathered, such occurrences are almost inevitable. Hopefully, she won't have to deal with anything near as tangled as what the Yi Tish delegations had thrown into your lap.

"There are mage lights ahead," Lya calls out, pointing down the long straight tunnel. At Ser Richard's odd look she explains. "Lights you can only see with mage sight, that is a interesting trick if everyone you expect to come this way has the senses to use it."

The knight grunts noncommittally and shakes his head. The years of fighting sorcerers and spirits had given him his own sense of the arcane. Not near as acute as yours or Lya's could be, but enough to get along with, enough to see the pale golden light marking the way forward.

On their own home ground, the formians will fight with dedication bordering on madness, but they will rarely strike the first blow even against known foes, if faced with a clearly marked diplomatic party. They have been known to hold truces sacred even when they could otherwise exterminate the other side with ease, and would gain much from doing so. Mind that is not to say they did not exterminate the foe in any case under most such circumstances, but they did listen.

More of the envoy's words come back to you, sounding somehow more ominous in the echoing darkness of the tunnel lit only by radiance that mortal eyes could not glimpse.

Taking the words to heart, you had summoned six erinyes to be your guards, with Mereth at their head. It had seemed odd to press them into so mundane a task as holding banners limp in their hands and ringing horns upon their belts, but all had assured you that the task of herald was not strange to them nor unwelcome to their dignity. Mereth herself had even fought formians before under the tarnished gold banners of the Third and she had found them 'a better foe than most to cross blades with'. When you had asked if she meant that they were more worthy or more perilous for it, she had offered a rare smile and said simply 'yes'.

As the tunnel curves sharply left, you find yourselves abruptly looking down the firing line of enough arcane artillery to blast a Wyvern from the sky or dent the Moonchaser's armor, rings of arcane flame aligned perfectly to fill the whole tunnel, gears grinding as the firing solutions are being calculated behind glassteel and adamantine shields.

"Glad they did not get this thing up to the Rock," Ser Richard mutters, his shield hovering closer on sheer instinct, though you doubt it would do much good against this weapon.

"It's melded to the sides of the tunnel," you say, looking the thing over with a knowing eye. "It would be easier to move a mountain."

Before he can reply, or Lya can give her own thoughts on the device, the sound of chitin claws upon the smooth granite of the tunnel alerts you to the fact that you have more company. A formian officer gleaming with crimson markings like stylized blood-splatter emerges from the stone to your left like one breaking the surface of a pond.

"His mind is too still," Varys hisses in your mind, annoyed as she usually is when someone managed to hide from her most acute of senses. If anyone would develop that skill en masse, it would be the mind-bound formians.


The officers antennae twitch almost as though he had heard something in the distance. Could one overhear mind-speech, or was he instead carrying on a conversation of his own? "You are recognized, Viserys Targaryen," the being buzzed in the oddly accented though clearly understandable Draconic. "What do you seek?"

Be blunt as you wish, the Hive cares nothing for formalities, though it will respect such norms if it is asked of it.

That had been the last piece of advice the shaitan envoy had given you.

"To speak to the queen in the hopes of finding a path forward that is not war between us," you reply plainly.

"Do you pledge guest right?" The Westerosi formula sounds odd in this tongue, something they had learned from the Lannisters no doubt.

"Yes, by the power I wield and the crown I bear, I do, and those with me likewise." The answer comes easily to your lips. You may yet have to fight if negotiations fail, but you are willing to give it the best shot you can under the circumstances. The last thing your fledgling realm needs is another foe.

"Come," the officer hums in your mind, motioning you to follow in what one might consider a human gesture, though the multiple articulations of its arm turn is far more alien than the stillness before. As you continue down tunnel, now filled with the sounds of industry and the traffic of a thousand thousand insectile feet, you consider what you can offer and what you must ask of those who had so recently been allies of your foes.

What is your opening position vis-a-vis the Formian Queen?

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OOC: Hopefully interjecting what the Shaitan told you about Formians into the journey works as a narrative mechanism.
Made some additional edits to the chapter, @DragonParadox.

I like the way you included the Shaitan's information. It worked well, IMO.
 
[X] Plan Status Quo Ante Bellum
-[X] Formally negotiate a peace between their hive and the Imperium. Had they not been allied to the Lannisters, you would have no quarrel with them, and now that they are gone, you see no reason to continue it.
-[X] Offer them to return the bodies of their dead as a sign of goodwill, to be disposed or processed as it is their custom.
-[X] After that is done, collapse the Gates beneath Casterly Rock. You can construct a Terminus to any place in the PoE that is suitable for an outpost, so there is no reason to keep open portals leading to nothing except semi-hostile polities.
I guess Shaitan understanding isn't sufficient to form any agreement under, given how basic (possibly rudimentary) it appears?

Granted, it could very well be the case it is that straight forward. There's no reason for a species that sees the deaths of thousands of its own kind as nothing to hold hard feelings over but merely the equivalent of a "probe" by another polity to have some deeper impetus behind acquiring things of interest to it, other than growth and direct self interest.
 
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This feels kind of like a waste to me; straightforward states looking after their own advancement and growth without bringing too much silly bullshit in (looking at you Yi-Ti) aren't the most common thing in the world. Especially ones fanatical about proper negotiations.

If we can legitimately just trade them copious amounts of food for bulk metals or something we could gain a lot.
 
I guess Shaitan understanding isn't sufficient to form any agreement under, given how basic (possibly rudimentary) it appears?

Granted, it could very well be the case it is that straight forward. There's no reason for a species that sees the deaths of thousands of its own kind as nothing to hold hard feelings over but merely the equivalent of a "probe" by another polity to have some deeper impetus behind acquiring things of interest to it other, than growth and direct self interest.
Pretty much. The most useful thing we could trade for, raw materials, can be gotten elsewhere without the risk of empowering a polity that may or may not have long-term interests that conflict with ours.

There's just nothing here that tempts me to make any deals with them as opposed to just buying our stuff from the Opaline Vault.
 
One of these days I'd love to learn about what exactly made the Formians and why. Sounds like they were a weapon for some massive interplanar war or something.
 
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  • [X] Plan Status Quo Ante Bellum
    -[X] Formally negotiate a peace between their hive and the Imperium. Had they not been allied to the Lannisters, you would have no quarrel with them, and now that they are gone, you see no reason to continue it.
    -[X] Offer them to return the bodies of their dead as a sign of goodwill, to be disposed or processed as it is their custom.
    -[X] After that is done, collapse the Gates beneath Casterly Rock. You can construct a Terminus to any place in the PoE that is suitable for an outpost, so there is no reason to keep open portals leading to nothing except semi-hostile polities.
 
Part MMMDCCXXIV: Good Fences
Good Fences

First Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

You walk through corridors filled with the sounds of eerie synchronization and all around you the forms of the Hive from the tinny scuttling messengers to the hulking earth-movers recall nothing so much as the works of a particularly industrious flesh-smith. Thin bridges that seem to have been alchemically hardened arch over channels filled with water that smells of salts and bitter odors that scratch at the nose and would likely leave one less well warded against poison lightheaded. Yet for all its practicality the city is not simply a triumph of function over form.

There is beauty here, in the delicate curves of building without brick or mortar, in the soft yellow of the ghost-lights that the eye unaided cannot see, even in the odd filigree that seems to be set around every door and every 'window', if the distinction even means anything. Flying forms make their way out of windows as readily as doors and lines of insects scarce larger than the palm of one's hand move through grooves in the stone like a dance, a pattern the eye cannot truly contain for all it draws and inspires the mind. You glance at your guide, wondering if they would appreciate the compliment.


Likely not you decide, seeing them glance neither left nor right and heading instead towards the main plinth that dominates the city in a way that almost recalls the Great Tree of the Deep. Here too an old power resides, one that speaks in many voices. The palace itself is a tangled warren that does not follow any intuitive plan designed by those who walk on two feet under the sun, yet you are quite certain the defenders know its paths only too well. The walls are warm to the touch, some sort of resin like the bridges perhaps, though you cannot say for certain without study, which Lya looks like she would dearly want to make.

"I wouldn't want to have to try to take this place by assault," Ser Richard says, using Low Valyrian rather than his usual Common so as to not be overheard, not that you think it is worth hiding the thought. Mutual and very practical desire not to get into a war is perhaps the best reason to follow the diplomatic strategy you have in mind.

When you come at last to the Queen of this place you are surprised to find her half mortared into the wall of the palace, delicate fleshy veins flowing into the stone in a way that brings to mind the works of the most eccentric of flesh-smiths, though she does not seem the least bit discomforted by her condition.


"What do you seek?" The weight of her mind upon yours is such that the first circle of your mental protections vibrates inwardly. You have little doubt you could win a battle with her alone... and you have no doubt whatsoever that she would not be alone and you do not just mean your guide.

"Peace, a return of those who have been lost to the Hive, a parting of ways that were crossed only in blood," you send back. "Had you not been allied with mine foes I would have no quarrel with you and now that they are vanquished I see no reason to continue it."

"Reasonable,"
the queen sends back in a slightly 'softer' tone, perhaps a touch surprised. A part of you wants to make a jest about hoping she does not judge all mortals by the measure of Tywin Lannister, but you doubt it would land. Her next words sends thoughts of humor flying from your mind. "In exchange we have no flesh to offer for your crafting, so we offer the texts of blood-craft writ by those of your line. Let there be peace and no debt."

Gained Texts of Blood Magic - Mostly redundant though containing two new templates:
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One is simply a flawed diviner's experiment, seeing either the past or the future that you would not inflict on any being wrought in your Forges, but the other... the other has potential, using astral remnants to enhance beings born of the green world. Not something you would typically associate with the Freehold, but then 'typical' does not begin to encapsulate all the experiments that must have taken place over millennia of study in the arcane. As Malarys rather dryly puts it, 'a mage likely wished for a guardian for his prized topiary and that was all the good it did'.

Still, you leave the halls of the formians with a slightly better impression of them than you had entered with... not enough to keep you from tearing down the gates to the Rock. You can lay down a Terminus in far more convenient places. Upon your return to the Deep it is already dark, though the ones you wish to speak to next were quite clear on the fact that they sleep no more than you do and would welcome a meeting at any hour you see fit.

What do you wish to say to the Qartheen delegation?

[] Write in

OOC: Because calling the chapter 'Naked Bribery' would have been a little on the nose.
 
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