Even without our spells she can attack with 10d6 acid damage at +24 attack bonus and an AC of No and she's an absolute HP sponge. We could potentially send just her to quash a rebellion and it would be enough.
.... I would love to see that. Varys just going out and squishing a rebellion to make a point how even the tiny dragon can squish them how the heck can they face the much bigger, much more powerful one with the army of flying ships
 
Imagine Varys exploding out from a knight's breastplate like a Draconic chestburster, then spearing their mount's head with her stinger, the acid melting it off in but a moment...

That is the kind of visual that might convince onlookers to retrain their Fighter levels to pick up some Expert so they can go into farming.
Poor horsies, always getting caught up in silly human wars when all they want is apples and sugar cubes.
 
@DragonParadox is the court of stars we destroyed the same one that those Fay Celestial paragon belong too ? , or is it just a different court who had the same name cause I can't see the real court of stars abandoning the upper plains when things are so bad there not to mention the Eladrin fay who live in Arborea are some of the toughest do goodders out there having once invaded the Abyss and conquered the very deepest darkest bottom layer(the very first layer) managing to hold it for an extend period of time before being driven out by the endless flood of daemons
 
@DragonParadox is the court of stars we destroyed the same one that those Fay Celestial paragon belong too ? , or is it just a different court who had the same name cause I can't see the real court of stars abandoning the upper plains when things are so bad there not to mention the Eladrin fay who live in Arborea Arborea are some of the toughest do goodders out there having once invaded the Abyss and conquered the very deepest darkest bottom layer(the very first layer) managing to hold it for an extend period of time before being driven out by the endless flood of daemons

I'm using Elesyum as the CG plane

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Part MMMDCCXX: The Monster in the Mirror
The Monster in the Mirror

First Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

As evening closes in on your first full day bearing the crown of a new realm the time has come to hear of the crimes of a realm now passed into history. You stand in one of the most warded halls in the palace in the company of Garin and Malarys as well as Bloodraven to hear what he had gleamed from the minds of the Lannisters, old and young, lord and vassal. For his part Garin looks pleased that it was not his task and he could instead take the day to be with Selyse and his children after the night's excitement while Malarys taps his fingers along the edge of the table in subtle impatience.

He did not use to do that, you realize abruptly, but the motion is too practiced, too commonplace to be a habit he had just gained. Instead, at some point over the past year, he must have let his guard down enough to allow his hands to wander when he left his mind to do the same. How long, you wonder, will it be until you catch Blodoraven at some innocuous habit he had long since trained himself out of showing in most company?

Regardless of the answer, here and now Brynden Rivers takes center stage to give his account of what he had found in the minds of the four Lannisters interrogated. "For all the power they held and all the magics they came to wield the motivations that lit the pyre of House Lannister are almost upsettingly pedestrian..." The ghost of a smile, neither kind nor cruel but simply weary, passes over his newly crafted features.

The Golden Shields had started, as many things do, with the best of intentions, to empower House Lannister yes, but also to give a place for new made mages, to make the word witch less of a curse upon the lips of the smallfolk and to guard against the darkness Beyond, be that those who rose from the waves on moonless nights or the spirits conjured by foolish mages seeking instruction or companionship of fiends. In the immediate aftermath of their return from Valyria there were no fewer than three attempted infiltrations among the circle of Lanna's students, the last of which cost the lives of practically all of them and very nearly ended with her enthralled also.

Over and over the pattern repeated. Tywin burned runes of warding into his flesh, lords fell to a few whispered words of enchantment as mortal defense upon mortal defense failed before the foresight of their foes. It did not take Lanna long to realize that to the Deep Ones they were not foes, but simply food, some of which fought back with some degree of skill, making it something like a boar hunt.

"When she managed to save the girl Joy Hill from what she later discovered was simply a splinter cabal seeking research opportunities into the ways of blood magic and hereditary compulsion it shook her," Bloodraven recounts, his voice perfectly steady. "She came to see what the Deep Ones were doing as 'farming men' and anything that could be made to resist them as acceptable. She started instituting geas spells in order to allow the training of more reliable mages and even managed to sell the notion to her marid allies for a time, though ultimately she did not trust them that much, by reason of the failure to deal with Sorcerer's Deep and..."

"Wait, why was she so interested in dealing with us then, if her focus was on the Deep Ones?" Garin asks. He had not been in the Deep at the time, but by now the 'us' is reflexive among all companions.

"She and Gerion thought you either were about to walk in Damphair's footsteps by means of some subtle corruption he had left behind or that you had already done so. It took months for her to shake off the suspicion, not helped by the fact that she was studying ever more subtle and complex means of control as a way to ward against Deep One mind magic," Blodraven pauses thoughtfully. "There is an old saying I heard among the Orphans of the Greenblood when I sought out their mages in my youth that says, 'see the enemy in the mirror, the friend across the field', it is supposed to mean that you aught to learn to see common ground with your foes by understating common wants and character. I have found that a better reading of it is that we become our foes in time. Lanna Lannister was a woman in the habit of drawing lines in the sand an inch in front of her foot and then crossing them when pushed. Her enchantments were after all still better than the alternative, they were a way for the realm to be safe... and for her to stay in power."

"Astonishing, is it not, the sorts of paths men's minds can take when they lead to retaining and expanding power?" Malarys asks. "If I might hazard a guess, the devils made it worse. This is the sort of behavior the baatezu wish to entourage in the name of their lord."

"Not directly, never directly until the last, but they made certain truths known to Gerion while he was on a mission way from his wife, while she was pregnant in fact, and where before she had been hesitant to adopt the more extreme enchantments his brother was pressing for and his wife was increasingly agreeing with, afterwards he was so overcome by fear for the horrors that might be inflicted not just upon him in death but his family also that he agreed to wider use of geas not just among the Golden Shields and those lords who had proven themselves disloyal, but all who might present a weakness. As one might anticipate that led to several desperate mages making unwise pacts with Hell to escape their earthly masters, which only confirmed the fears and suspicions that grew in the hearts of the senior Lannisters. Tywin had even begun to suspect that his daughter may have been using proscribed magic to escape the compulsions placed on her and doubtless if he had found demonic meddling it would have been one more reason to tighten the chains."
What next?

[] Ask a questions
-[] What equipment did they have on them
-[] Were Gerion and Lanna actually planning to defect before they too were ensnared in the bloodline curse
-[] Write in

[] Move on
-[] Write in to what


OOC: I tried to do this in one update, but it is just too much stuff and from too many angles.
 
Ironic, to ward off possible enslavement they willingly allowed themselves to be enslaved. That and forcing others to follow, with no exceptions.
 
[X] Ask a questions
-[X] What equipment did they have on them
-[X] Were Gerion and Lanna actually planning to defect before they too were ensnared in the bloodline curse
-[x]What was the content of the infernal scroll?
-[x] Were there others in the family that wanted/planned to stop Tywin from going too far.
 
It is a dangerous thing indeed to walk upon a knife's edge. Made more so by the fact that several third parties were actively trying to make them fall one way or the other.
 
The Monster in the Mirror

First Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

As evening closes in on your first full day bearing the crown of a new realm, the time has come to hear of the crimes of a realm now passed into history. You stand in one of the most warded halls in the palace in the company of Garin and Malarys, as well as Bloodraven, to hear what he had gleaned from the minds of the Lannisters, old and young, lord and vassal. For his part, Garin looks pleased that it was not his task and that he could instead take the day to be with Selyse and his children after the night's excitement, while Malarys taps his fingers along the edge of the table in a subtle sign of impatience.

He did not use to do that, you realize abruptly, but the motion is too practiced, too commonplace, to be a habit he had just gained. Instead, at some point over the past year, he must have let his guard down enough to allow his hands to wander when he left his mind to do the same. How long will it be, you wonder, until you catch Blodoraven at some innocuous habit he had long since trained himself out of showing in most company?

Regardless of the answer, here and now Brynden Rivers takes center stage to give his account of what he had found in the minds of the four Lannisters interrogated. "For all the power they held and all the magics they came to wield, the motivations that lit the pyre of House Lannister are almost upsettingly pedestrian..." The ghost of a smile, neither kind nor cruel but simply weary, passes over his newly crafted features.

The Golden Shields had started, as many things do, with the best of intentions. To empower House Lannister, yes, but also to give a place for new made mages, to make the word witch less of a curse upon the lips of the smallfolk and to guard against the darkness Beyond, be that those who rose from the waves on moonless nights or the spirits conjured by foolish mages seeking instruction or companionship of fiends. In the immediate aftermath of their return from Valyria, there were no fewer than three attempted infiltrations among the circle of Lanna's students, the last of which cost the lives of practically all of them and very nearly ended with her enthralled also.

Over and over the pattern repeated. Tywin burned runes of warding into his flesh, lords fell to a few whispered words of enchantment as mortal defense upon mortal defense failed before the foresight of their foes. It did not take Lanna long to realize that to the Deep Ones they were not foes, but simply food, some of which fought back with some degree of skill, making it something like a boar hunt.

"When she managed to save the girl, Joy Hill, from what she later discovered was simply a splinter cabal seeking research opportunities into the ways of blood magic and hereditary compulsion, it shook her," Bloodraven recounts, his voice perfectly steady. "She came to see what the Deep Ones were doing as 'farming men' and anything that could be made to resist them as acceptable. She started instituting geas spells in order to allow the training of more reliable mages and even managed to sell the notion to her marid allies for a time, though ultimately she did not trust them that much, by reason of the failure to deal with Sorcerer's Deep, and..."

"Wait, why was she so interested in dealing with us then, if her focus was on the Deep Ones?" Garin asks. He had not been in the Deep at the time, but by now the 'us' is reflexive among all companions.

"She and Gerion thought you either were about to walk in Damphair's footsteps by means of some subtle corruption he had left behind or that you had already done so. It took months for her to shake off the suspicion, not helped by the fact that she was studying ever more subtle and complex means of control as a way to ward against Deep One mind magic," Blodraven pauses thoughtfully. "There is an old saying I heard among the Orphans of the Greenblood when I sought out their mages in my youth; it goes, 'see the enemy in the mirror, the friend across the field'. It is supposed to mean that you aught to learn to see common ground with your foes by understating common wants and character. I have found that a better reading of it is that we become our foes in time. Lanna Lannister was a woman in the habit of drawing lines in the sand an inch in front of her foot and then crossing them when pushed. Her enchantments were, after all, still better than the alternative. They were a way for the realm to be safe... and for her to stay in power."

"Astonishing, is it not, the sorts of paths men's minds can take when they lead to retaining and expanding power?" Malarys asks. "If I might hazard a guess, the devils made it worse. This is the sort of behavior the baatezu wish to entourage in the name of their lord."

"Not directly, never directly, until the last, but they made certain truths known to Gerion while he was on a mission away from his wife. While she was pregnant, in fact, and where before she had been hesitant to adopt the more extreme enchantments his brother was pressing for and his wife was increasingly agreeing with. Afterwards, he was so overcome by fear for the horrors that might be inflicted not just upon him in death, but his family also, that he agreed to wider use of geases not just among the Golden Shields and those lords who had proven themselves disloyal, but all who might present a weakness. As one might anticipate, that led to several desperate mages making unwise pacts with Hell to escape their earthly masters, which only confirmed the fears and suspicions that grew in the hearts of the senior Lannisters. Tywin had even begun to suspect that his daughter may have been using proscribed magic to escape the compulsions placed on her, and doubtless if he had found demonic meddling it would have been one more reason to tighten the chains."

What next?

[] Ask questions
-[] What equipment did they have on them
-[] Were Gerion and Lanna actually planning to defect before they too were ensnared in the bloodline curse
-[] Write in

[] Move on
-[] Write in to what


OOC: I tried to do this in one update, but it is just too much stuff and from too many angles.
Made some additional edits to the chapter, DP.
 
I don't care if they were planning to defect, especially after learning just how complicit they were in the whole mind control scheme. I do, however, want to know what loot they were carrying, along with what Tywin saw in the scroll.

[X] Ask questions
-[X] What equipment did they have on them
-[X] What were the contents of the infernal scroll?
 
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[X] Ask a questions
-[X] What equipment did they have on them
-[X] Were Gerion and Lanna actually planning to defect before they too were ensnared in the bloodline curse
-[x]What was the content of the infernal scroll?
-[x] Were there others in the family that wanted/planned to stop Tywin from going too far.
-[x] Locations of Golden Shield hideouts and mage locations
-[x] Contents of the deal with the Formians
 
OOC: I tried to do this in one update, but it is just too much stuff and from too many angles.
So basically, just one more rotten justification after another?

They're cowards. They did all of this because of fear and desperation.

*sigh* Pathetic.

No one should wield power by which they in turn are afraid to have used against them, nor subject to others the same harm that was extended to them by their enemies as a preemptive measure from gaining new ones.

You're supposed to anticipate your foes, shore up weaknesses not perfectly, but good enough to delay and detect. Not become exactly like them. That's basically creating a self-fulfilling prophecy (it did self-fulfill the prophecy of disloyalty and subversion, because then enemies could get their foot in the door with the solid lead of "your masters are just going to use you as tools, they do not trust you, but at least I'M being up front about that and offering you a higher bid".

Just a big clusterfuck of mounting incompetence driven by baser urges.
 
[X] Ask a questions
-[X] What equipment did they have on them
-[X] Were Gerion and Lanna actually planning to defect before they too were ensnared in the bloodline curse
-[X] What was the content of the infernal scroll?
-[X] Were there others in the family that wanted/planned to stop Tywin from going too far.
-[X] Locations of Golden Shield hideouts and mage locations
-[X] Contents of the deal with the Formians
-[X] What contingences did they have that we have yet to find?
 
[] Interrogation Questions
-[] What active plots did they have set in motion?
-[] What passive schemes did they have prepared?
-[] Comprehensive listing and locations of all safehouses, weapon caches, anything of that nature.
-[] What equipment did they have on them?
-[] What was the content of the infernal scroll?
-[] Everything they're aware of regarding supernatural factions in Westeros and Essos
--[] Including but not limited to the Deep Ones, Devils, Others, etc.
-[] What exactly were they trying to accomplish in Qarth?
-[] What factions were they dealing with in the Planes aside from the Formians, and what were their relations? Good or bad?
-[] What was the nature of their deal with the Formians?

That should be the gist of it. @Goldfish, can you please cannibalize these questions?

[X] Goldfish
 
Yeah fuck her and her justifications, feed the bitch to whatever God along with her pathetic husband. I'm sick of her and her family.
 
[X] Ask a questions
-[X] What equipment did they have on them
-[X] Were Gerion and Lanna actually planning to defect before they too were ensnared in the bloodline curse
-[x]What was the content of the infernal scroll?
-[x] Were there others in the family that wanted/planned to stop Tywin from going too far.
-[x] Locations of Golden Shield hideouts and mage locations
-[x] Contents of the deal with the Formians

Despite everything they have done, I find myself pitying them. They were quite literally played like a fiddle by forces older than the entire history of Planetos and had they not been put again us and them they might have actually made a decent empire all on their own.
 
So basically, just one more rotten justification after another?

They're cowards. They did all of this because of fear and desperation.

*sigh* Pathetic.

No one should wield power by which they in turn are afraid to have used against them, nor subject to others the same harm that was extended to them by their enemies as a preemptive measure from gaining new ones.

You're supposed to anticipate your foes, shore up weaknesses not perfectly, but good enough to delay and detect. Not become exactly like them. That's basically creating a self-fulfilling prophecy (it did self-fulfill the prophecy of disloyalty and subversion, because then enemies could get their foot in the door with the solid lead of "your masters are just going to use you as tools, they do not trust you, but at least I'M being up front about that and offering you a higher bid".

Just a big clusterfuck of mounting incompetence driven by baser urges.

That is how these things usually go in real life yeah. Oppressive regimes that build over time usually end up fueling their own fall. This was supposed from the start (at at least from the first time you found those geased mages) to be a show for how handing magic to feudal autocrats is not always going to lead to generic fantasy but rather to darker places and I tried to make the people doing it sympathetic in their own heads because most people who end up in those positions to dot see themselves as the bad guys

Yeah fuck her and her justifications, feed the bitch to whatever God along with her pathetic husband. I'm sick of her and her family.

Er... by Imperial law she did not do anything worthy of being sacrificed
 
In the end the whole Lannister thing is just plain sad more then anything else as an unpleasant combination of too much pride, paranoia and mistrust of anything that they couldn't micromanage resulted in this mess we're going to have to clean up.

Their not worth our anger or rage, maybe a little pity for how far they fell, but in the end their not worth the energy for it so lets move on from this particular page of history and leave them forgotten in the dust like all the other useless things that aren't worth peoples time and effort like Tiamat or the Court of Stars.
 
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That is how these things usually go in real life yeah. Oppressive regimes that build over time usually end up fueling their own fall. This was supposed from the start (at at least from the first time you found those geased mages) to be a show for how handing magic to feudal autocrats is not always going to lead to generic fantasy but rather to darker places and I tried to make the people doing it sympathetic in their own heads because most people who end up in those positions to dot see themselves as the bad guys



Er... by Imperial law she did not do anything worthy of being sacrificed
DP does it look like I care about laws? Besides nothing says we can't make a clone body to hang while we shove the real ones into some Weirwood roots or whatever. I just don't want to deal with either working with her or making a prison that could keep her. So perma-death it must be.
 
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