I thought the whole deal with Viserys was that all past crimes are absolved so long as you're willing to serve and make up for them? It's not like we don't have people in our service who've done much worse.
 
@DragonParadox, what was their internal rank structure again?

Simple Apprentice/Journeyman/ Master denoting skill and then Inner and Outer Circles denoting trust in the organization. There are also regional handlers which were appointed on a case by case basis. So you could have the Regional Head for the Riverlands who was an Outer Circle mage and enchanted, while another mage who was a crafter in the westerlands was only a journeyman but he was Inner Circle and trusted... and then you have people who are supposed to be inner circle and are still enchanted and people who are pretending to be geased in order to sniff out traitors and threats. Tywin was on his way to making the 40K inquisition in all its dysfunctional glory a lot more than you guys ever were
 
Golden Bells' Last Tolling

First Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

By the fourth hour of the day, Lannisport had been secured, including the holdings of the cadet branch of House Lannister, with scarce more than harsh words thrown about. It is clear the sight of the Rock falling had gone a long way towards quenching any martial ardor or lingering loyalty to their old lord the citizens of Lannisport might have felt. The grip of Tywin Lannister had been strong indeed, the flames of a thousand copies of the Imperial times cast into forges could attest to that, but it had also been brittle as only one born of fear could be. As the city had fallen to praetori, it is also as orderly a hand over of power as one might have hoped. The looting and grudge killing that so often shadow conquest of any stripe do not materialize.

The single instance of arson that night is from a captain of the Red Cloaks who was trying to burn documents and almost burned far more, though thanks to the Dauntless' weather control, the blaze was put out long before it could endanger others. As for the captain himself, well, another one for the trials would almost be a rounding error.

The Golden Shields are about what you would have expected as an institution, judging by the answers you receive back from all over the Westerlands. An institution which was founded, if not with pure intentions, then at least good ones, which had unfortunately been slowly rotted at the core by the ever greater need for control. It would be weeks or months before your inquisitors can read all the files kept beneath Castamere and the vaults under the Rock, but already the names and dates of the events that mark the fall of the Golden Shields, like stepping stones on the road to hell, are clear:

Pact of the Twelve Maidens, a demonic sacrifice meant to grant strength and potency to those involved, which had begotten a minor incursion of hellhounds that had taken months to hunt down and, worse still, had twisted the minds of several knights into madness and hunting their own smallfolk for sport. The Casterly Affair, an attempt to revive one of the old lords of the Rock by a necromancer answering to powers whose names are not mentioned even in script, and which had seen several scholars and one learned maester fall pray to the madness, committing all manner of blasphemy finally culminating in sending the nameless specters of those long dead howling across the hills....

"Wait, did they actually call this one the Golden Seed, in official files..." Lya hands you a document.

"That is Lanna's writing," you say after glancing at it. "I suspect that is for the eyes of the Lord and Lady of Castamere only, given what is contained within." Not that you are not glad Joy Hill was kept safe from the Deep Ones, you would not wish their ministrations upon your worst foe, much less a child who is not guilty of her father's sins, but still you are going to have to decide what do do with the girl and her siblings. That is a matter for later, though. As many of the Golden Shields continue to offer their surrenders you have to decide how you are to treat them.

On the one hand, you have what Ser Richard rightfully calls the bloody fingers of Tywin Lannister around the throat of Westeros, the enforcers of his will not only upon lowborn and nobles alike, but on their own fellows as well. On the other, you have Malarys note that the Imperial justice system simply was not designed to judge people on simple political affiliation. While the mages of the Mysterium were not responsible for mass enchantment, they surely made use of some of it in the days leading up to the integration of the city. Many of the mages you have contacted across the Westerlands will only surrender themselves in exchange for surety that they will not be prosecuted for their deeds under the command of their former Lannister lords.

What do you offer the Golden Shields in exchange for surrender?

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OOC: So yeah it turns out that after watching the magi-tech ship wipe out CR 20 golems in the sky very few people will be inclined to resist. This decision is not binding when it comes to Lanna and anyone else who was captured, this is just for the mages who willingly surrender. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
 
We're certainly not going to kill somewhere between dozens and hundreds of mages for baseless paranoia.

I'm hoping that we can integrate the majority of them into the Scholarium and from there on eventually into feeding our unlimited hunger for Battlemages and inquisitorial goons.
Don't forget our hunger for crafters.
Simple Apprentice/Journeyman/ Master denoting skill and then Inner and Outer Circles denoting trust in the organization. There are also regional handlers which were appointed on a case by case basis. So you could have the Regional Head for the Riverlands who was an Outer Circle mage and enchanted, while another mage who was a crafter in the westerlands was only a journeyman but he was Inner Circle and trusted... and then you have people who are supposed to be inner circle and are still enchanted and people who are pretending to be geased in order to sniff out traitors and threats. Tywin was on his way to making the 40K inquisition in all its dysfunctional glory a lot more than you guys ever were
Lovely. How can you fuck this up so badly in such a short time?

This is why I always insist on proper and standardized organisation!
 
We're certainly not going to kill somewhere between dozens and hundreds of mages for baseless paranoia.

I'm hoping that we can integrate the majority of them into the Scholarium and from there on eventually into feeding our unlimited hunger for Battlemages and inquisitorial goons.
There is nothing baseless about it. They worked for our enemies and a significant number of them probably hate us. We don't have to kill them, we can put them in prison.


We are absorbing them into an organization that isn't even a few years old. This is how you get secret canals to form in your organization. Like hydra in winter soldier.
 
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Simple Apprentice/Journeyman/ Master denoting skill and then Inner and Outer Circles denoting trust in the organization. There are also regional handlers which were appointed on a case by case basis. So you could have the Regional Head for the Riverlands who was an Outer Circle mage and enchanted, while another mage who was a crafter in the westerlands was only a journeyman but he was Inner Circle and trusted... and then you have people who are supposed to be inner circle and are still enchanted and people who are pretending to be geased in order to sniff out traitors and threats. Tywin was on his way to making the 40K inquisition in all its dysfunctional glory a lot more than you guys ever were

@DragonParadox You can still get an answer to how many mages the Golden Shields had and what level they reached. The ideal option would be something like a table.
 
Uh-uh, we don't need exact numbers on mages we are looting anymore, @DragonParadox.

We're about to transfer to a nee system in a mknth, remember?

At most, level 8+ PCs are important enough to mention now. Not below that for sure.

Edit: dammit.
 
[X] Plan Clemency
-[X] You promise full amnesty for all crimes and acts committed by Golden Shields that had been ordered from their leadership and enforced by compulsions. They had no way to resist those commands and are thus not to be held accountable for them.
-[X] You promise a fair trial for all crimes and acts committed without compulsions enforcing compliance with much lighter sentencing for those who cooperate in the investigations of other crimes.
-[X] You promise further leniency to all who turn over documents and reports, while harsher sentencing for those who seek to destroy them.
-[X] You, yet again, promise death to all those who resist and especially so for those seeking to abuse the compulsions of other Golden Shields for their own benefit.
-[X] The bulk of the responsibility will be held by the leadership of the Golden Shields, which is the non-geased Inner Circle and the Lannister family.
 
We can count on the fingers of one hand which of those who serve us now and did not serve our enemies and were not our enemy in the past.
Do we tho, from what I can tell most of the Scholarium is just people we recruited. Some of the teachers were our enemies but the 90% are just people from empire. This would change that.
 
There is nothing baseless about it. They worked for our enemies and a significant number of them probably hate us. We don't have to kill them, we can put them in prison.
Hate is a very strong word in this instance. Most of them never had even the slightest dealings with us or our forces, and in fact fought many of the same sorts of enemies as we have. All but a tiny handful of them were also Geased so that obedience to Tywin and their other masters wasn't really a matter of choice.

@Azel, I think they should simply be incorporated into the Imperial Scholarium system. Each needs to be screened, of course, but for the most part I don't see the need to change their day to day duties or responsibilities.

EDIT: Azel'd

[X] Azel
 
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Hate is a very strong word in this instance. Most of them never had even the slightest dealings with us or our forces, and in fact fought many of the same sorts of enemies as we have. All but a tiny handful of them were also Geased so that obedience to Tywin and their other masters wasn't really a matter of choice.

@Azel, I think they should simply be incorporated into the Imperial Scholarium system. Each needs to be screened, of course, but for the most part I don't see the need to change their day to day duties or responsibilities.

EDIT: Azel'd

[X] Azel
We already promised Zathyr to check on their mental health, so some intrusive screening is already scheduled.
 
@Azel
I changed the ending because I still think that the Golden Shields guide can be useful to us. In fact, when I found out what Lanna had done to the altar and how the slave binding had been arranged, I liked her even more! If you agree with me, please change the last paragraph to something like " It's all Tywin Lannister's fault." And then I will be happy to join your voice.

[X] It's all the bald lion's fault!
-[X] You promise full amnesty for all crimes and acts committed by Golden Shields that had been ordered from their leadership and enforced by compulsions. They had no way to resist those commands and are thus not to be held accountable for them.
-[X] You promise a fair trial for all crimes and acts committed without compulsions enforcing compliance with much lighter sentencing for those who cooperate in the investigations of other crimes.
-[X] You promise further leniency to all who turn over documents and reports, while harsher sentencing for those who seek to destroy them.
-[X] You, yet again, promise death to all those who resist and especially so for those seeking to abuse the compulsions of other Golden Shields for their own benefit.
-[X] The main blame certainly lies with Tywin Lannister, but the guilt of the Inner Circle and other members of the Lannister family will be considered separately.

Do we tho, from what I can tell most of the Scholarium is just people we recruited. Some of the teachers were our enemies but the 90% are just people from empire. This would change that.
These "ordinary citizens of the empire" were born before the empire was born, which means we either took over the territory where they were citizens or slaves. Which means that up to this point, they have voluntarily or unwittingly served our enemies.
 
-[X] You promise full amnesty for all crimes and acts committed by Golden Shields that had been ordered from their leadership and enforced by compulsions. They had no way to resist those commands and are thus not to be held accountable for them.
can you also add coercion as well cause in the early days before the Lanisters had access to magical binding they would have used physical force and intimidation as well as possibly taking their families hostage against the at the time levels 1 to 3 newbie mages
 
[X] Azel

Our standard MO for all the Free Cities was to mostly ignore the crimes before our coming and only make some showcases out of the worst of the worst in terms of slavery and other changed laws (which applies in this case, as there were no laws concerning the limitations of magic before us, except for the one that magic organisations have to be sanctioned by the Faith).

So basically if we keep doing what we have always been doing we'll hang some of the worst and, this is important, the most disliked by the locals, cases and give the rest a free pass to start anew.

@Azel
Am I correct in assuming it will be very similarly here, as those prior strategies were your work as well?
 
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