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I am so impressed at how thorough the desecration was.
Zathir doesn't even want his old shrine anymore, he just wants it obliterated? Holy hell.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Zathir doesn't even want his old shrine anymore, he just wants it obliterated? Holy hell.
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Well the interesting thing is that Tywin technically has a connection to every slave he has made right? Yssian staff time? Remove curse backed by divine power?
Goldfish
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Made a few minor edits to the chapter, DP.
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I'm not particularly bothered by letting the Golden Shields experience the pain of Tywin's death, since we don't actually have to make it a painful experience, but the "soul tearing agony" being inflicted on his kin is worrisome. That kind of shit can have consequences, mentally, physically, and metaphysically.
@DragonParadox, how much would we be able to mitigate that aspect of sacrificing Tywin? For example, if his kin just happened to be statues at the time from a Flesh to Stone spell, would they still suffer that pain?
@DragonParadox, how much would we be able to mitigate that aspect of sacrificing Tywin? For example, if his kin just happened to be statues at the time from a Flesh to Stone spell, would they still suffer that pain?
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Tywin's kin include a fuck ton of Lannisters and I mean every single one. They will all feel it. We can't petrify all of them
@DragonParadox I don't understand everything.
[] The way of Fire - That means we're reassigning Tywin Lannister's slaves and then freeing them. Does this include both mages and relatives?
[] The way of Cleansing -I didn't understand what the procedure was at all. Got it, that means we're just destroying the altar.
[] The way of Death - Will the agony extend to all Lannisters, including the children? What a chance that some may not survive this exposure?
[] The way of Fire - That means we're reassigning Tywin Lannister's slaves and then freeing them. Does this include both mages and relatives?
[] The way of Cleansing -
[] The way of Death - Will the agony extend to all Lannisters, including the children? What a chance that some may not survive this exposure?
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The old gods have a hefty amount of power over dreams, maybe we could pay them to shelter the other Lannisters? If it's only pain and not material harm then being in a divine grade dream-illusion forcing you to feel something else might be a good enough block.
DP: "I'm tired of all these magic flinging snakes on this mortal filled plane!"
Jokes aside, what does it mean to seek a master for the rest of their lives? Because that could mean anything from a lack of personal ambition to attempting to literally sign themselves back into slavery. The former isn't really that huge of a problem, the Realm is already full of people who won't ever amount to anything more than a 9 to 5 job. The latter is concerning from a security standpoint. Easy marks for devils and other sinister forces, etc.
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[X] Plan of Fire
-[X] Of all the options, this is the least bad. If we just break the altar, there is no telling if the binding will actually break or if it just might drive all bound insane. Likewise, would it truly be better to cause the people bound unwillingly such pain? There risk seems vastly too high for the Golden Shields, let alone for those Lannister who have not been party to Tywins madness.
I'm not seeing Zathir being all that happy to see half the Lannisters dead for no reason except being related to Tywin and make no mistake that this is a very real chance, especially for the young, old and infirm.
-[X] Of all the options, this is the least bad. If we just break the altar, there is no telling if the binding will actually break or if it just might drive all bound insane. Likewise, would it truly be better to cause the people bound unwillingly such pain? There risk seems vastly too high for the Golden Shields, let alone for those Lannister who have not been party to Tywins madness.
I'm not seeing Zathir being all that happy to see half the Lannisters dead for no reason except being related to Tywin and make no mistake that this is a very real chance, especially for the young, old and infirm.
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S-s-smell the Prey, S-s-start the Hunt.
You can say many things about Tywin Lannister, but the motherfucker does not do things by half.
I'd hold him in admiration if I wasn't filled with a visceral loathing disgust.
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THis part is worrying me a bit:
Giving all these mages (in the future our mages) a weakness to Compulsion and similar things seems like a very bad idea in the long term.
Or even in the mid-term, since our next foes will be Devils and Deep Ones, both masters of such tricks.
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They can have a master though. Us. Just encourage them to become Clerics of Viserys and their urge is fulfilled. This is vastly better than driving most of them insane or killing a bunch by having them experience what it's like when a death god tears out your soul and munches on it.
I'd prefer a cleaner version of this, but both other options are supremely unappealing.
If might be easier for him to swallow if we ask him to take over their rehab. If anyone is qualified to help people get over this sort of trauma and/or magical soul scarring then it's him and his priests.
We can easily afford the material support for whatever psychological care he feels is required, and it's excellent contrast to draw for the public when we reveal what Tywin was up to.
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@DragonParadox
If we look at it less from the divine side, and more from the arcane, Tywin and the Altar are connected to all these Geases.
Could we use them as a vessel to spread out a Disjunction effect through all the affected, breaking the magic directly?
And if we could what would be the likely consequences of such an attempt?
If we look at it less from the divine side, and more from the arcane, Tywin and the Altar are connected to all these Geases.
Could we use them as a vessel to spread out a Disjunction effect through all the affected, breaking the magic directly?
And if we could what would be the likely consequences of such an attempt?
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Hm...
@DragonParadox, could we fix the damage with psychic chirurgy? Maybe Zathir instructing Qyburn on how to do it? We also have some off-screened Preceptor Archons who could help.
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A meme option I had was to turn everyone to Lizards because that is a curse example that was used by Pathfinder
Not at all, at least not in good time
Not strong enough, no.
Yes, but that would be significant administrative and magical effort.
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[X] A complex liberation plan.
-[X] Ask Zathir if he can come up with a ritual to destroy the altar that will free the enslaved and be safe for them.
--[X] If he has ideas, we can attract various resources, and even undertake to persuade the heir of Tywin if it helps.
-[X] If Zathir cannot guarantee safety or release, we use the Fire Plan.
--[X] To tell Zathir that we have a chance to teach the enslaved to live free always remains, but returning to the life of the dead can be difficult.
--[X] Promise him that the Golden Shields will be screened by your Preceptron Archons to assess the damage, if such exists, and that you will invest resources into researching ways to fix the lingering corruption. You have seen more then enough examples where the ability to remove such conditioning would have been useful.
--[X] Discuss with Melisandre how we can improve the ritual, and what is needed for it in general. We can attract various resources, and even undertake to persuade the heir of Tywin if it helps.
-[X] Ask Zathir if he can come up with a ritual to destroy the altar that will free the enslaved and be safe for them.
--[X] If he has ideas, we can attract various resources, and even undertake to persuade the heir of Tywin if it helps.
-[X] If Zathir cannot guarantee safety or release, we use the Fire Plan.
--[X] To tell Zathir that we have a chance to teach the enslaved to live free always remains, but returning to the life of the dead can be difficult.
--[X] Promise him that the Golden Shields will be screened by your Preceptron Archons to assess the damage, if such exists, and that you will invest resources into researching ways to fix the lingering corruption. You have seen more then enough examples where the ability to remove such conditioning would have been useful.
--[X] Discuss with Melisandre how we can improve the ritual, and what is needed for it in general. We can attract various resources, and even undertake to persuade the heir of Tywin if it helps.
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Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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* Somewhere far, a psychologist shaggy doggo cries out in pain on the very notion *
Meme'ing aside, do we care enough to bother spending time and effort on restructuring their brains that way?
lockingbane
If you're crazy and you know it clap your hands!
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Could we just use way of fire, have them come here, then free them one by one?
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Can we send a new order through the connection using Tywin? Some like "Come to Casterly Rock?".
Edit: The idea would need us to make a Remove Curse At Will item and have them come and get it removed
Edit: The idea would need us to make a Remove Curse At Will item and have them come and get it removed
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