Jack vile Ripper
The swellest guy in Creation.
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I'd honestly put that right above Daemonculaba from 40K. It's an eye-bleach inducing.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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I'd honestly put that right above Daemonculaba from 40K. It's an eye-bleach inducing.
lancelot
Completely worth it
So how likely is this the reason Gerion, and Lanna are willing to follow Tywin into death and leave their children orphans to do with as we will?
The few POVs we'd had from Lanna show that she'd begun to hate Tywin for the hole he was digging them, and the monstrous things he did.
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100% i'm pretty sure Lanna at least was considering jumping ship before he did it
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We have the god of Liberation and the Goddess of Freedom in the Imperium. Asking them to look at this shit show and see what they can do about it isn't the worst plan.
More likely by the minute. It makes sense too. Lanna before all of this was working for a monster but was trying to instantly temper the asshole. All of a sudden Cersei gets access to an Other servant. The sheer difference in Lanna pre and post hive-mind is so vast that to call them the same person would be insulting.
More likely by the minute. It makes sense too. Lanna before all of this was working for a monster but was trying to instantly temper the asshole. All of a sudden Cersei gets access to an Other servant. The sheer difference in Lanna pre and post hive-mind is so vast that to call them the same person would be insulting.
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Richard was washed up because he left rather than kneel, and is every inch more of a knight than Selmy ever was. He's earned the right to look down in people who chose safety over honor.
Gregor didn't pat himself on the back in this scene, much less lord his knighthood over anyone, so I'm not sure why you're including him in this.
On a more general note, I'm not sure why you're acting so affront by this. Whatever else he's done Selmy is a traitor, which as far as I'm concerned wipes the slate clean on past service. He had plenty of opportunity to make himself useful or make amends up to this point and chose otherwise right up to the point where we didn't need him, then had the gall to effectively invite himself to our inner circle while in chains.
Getting rejected is hardly a punishment, and is arguably an act of mercy. Is is also somewhat contradictory with other actions? Sure, technically. It's also an incredibly human reaction for Viserys to have given their history, and is hardly the grand injustice you're making it out to be.
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lancelot
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Kind of pointless if the fucker makes us cut through the rest of his family to reach him, and if they fail their all forced to kill themselves. Mother fuck the man has gone right off the deep end.
He needs to live to see his last son who 'killed his wife/cousin' be invested as the new head of House Lannister just as a last fuck you.
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I sort of wandering how Tywin pulled the binding off , Lanna was his chief magic user and responsible for training all the others along will being his main expert on the field and I doubt for a single moment she would have consented to carrying out the magic needed for the binding nor would she have reveled the lore necessary for Tywin to do it himself and Tywin himself did not have the knowledge or expertise necessary to peruse this line of magic without Lanna's support
egoo
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I mean, even if him dying causes all other Lannisters to... all the better?
What we got to do after this, however, is to handle whoeverst handed him the knowledge to do this.
IC sore spot for Viserys, I believe.
A quick jaunt into Formian hive to loot their queen and kill the rest of them sounds about right, and a nice test run for the new mass-combat system for next month, eh, @Azel @Crake?
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What we got to do after this, however, is to handle whoeverst handed him the knowledge to do this.
IC sore spot for Viserys, I believe.
A quick jaunt into Formian hive to loot their queen and kill the rest of them sounds about right, and a nice test run for the new mass-combat system for next month, eh, @Azel @Crake?
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Honestly I just want to see if it's possible. Just the thought of Tywin being in his fortress and getting ripped apart by his own family sounds like the the greatest of ironies.
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no , he needs to live to see his house attained , stripped of everything they have accumulated over its 8000 year existence , his actions used as ammunition to bury his house's reputation in mud for all eternity and see the remains of his dynasty reduced to small folk and forgotten
lancelot
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What part of 'we don't kill children' is hard to remember? You don't think this only effects the adult Lannister's do you? No he enslaved his family down to the children. I'm pretty sure IC we have little to no hatred for the Lannister's in general just Tywin and his right hand brother.
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Well he is working with the Formians and the magic is similar to that. If I had to guess he had hired some help. Maybe he made a deal or something.
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It's not hard to capture a child and restrain them. They're not exactly skilled PCs.
lancelot
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Once we're done their won't be 'small folk' remember. We're much more a meritocracy and say what you want about Tyrion he is anything but stupid, or incapable. Better to free them and use those we can salvage such as Lanna and Tyrion for our own purposes. With or without their last names it doesn't matter.
It gets a tired smile from me. Maybe i am to jaded to see it as something more terrifying.
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Except for all the times we absolutely killed children as collateral damage of our various antics and happily ignored that since the narrative didn't bring it up.
I mean... Grassfield Keep was shelled into rubble with the whole family, the guards, all servants and sundry still being inside. And that's just the most recent one.
So could we kindly bury that argument?
lancelot
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I was referring to this part of the quoted post.
"I mean, even if him dying causes all other Lannisters to... all the better?"
No
It's been a serious point of no return for Viserys for years, and all the companions. That it slipped between the cracks once is an OC problem as it never should have been an option. That Lya, Daenerys, or most of the others didn't bring up that this was a major problem is also a OC failing.
Obviously people need to start paying more attention to your plans.
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I don't know, I'd prefer if Lanna doesn't get to go all out against us.
It propably won't amount to much, but we can't exactly rule out that the high-end caster can do some noticable damage before going down either.
Wouldn't it be preferable to have her and any other notable PC-assets under this effect neutralized before facing them?
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There isn't the time for that. We got less than one hour until we assault Casterly Rock.
The reason I want to give Tygett to Bloodraven is that he is the only one who might be able to wring something useful out of him in that small amount of time, but there is no way we can fully analyze and reverse what Tywin did with 30 minutes and an empty hand.
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Well, at least we know we can block the effect for a while with a Miracle, so that coud work for a fight-ender with anone under the effect as well.
As for the current vote, why would you blame Tygett for the things he has done under an enchantment like this? Our law is usually pretty clear that things you do under domination or similar effects are the enchanter's crimes, not the victims.
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I will say this in regards to Tywin. I am impressed that he pulled this off and it is so in character for him to do this. His family is his legacy. It's his mark on the world. What better way to ensure it than to completely control his entire family. What better way than to control the strongest mage he has got. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to do to Lanna what he did to Shae in a sick perverse punishment to Gerion.
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There's no reason to assume that just removing Tywins nudging would make Lanna stop fighting. If you throw a Miracle at someone then you better make sure that it actually achieves something. I'm also dubious that Lanna would be fighting anyone capable of Miracle. She will most likely die in the tunnels, overwhelmed by Undead or blown up by Praetori. Maybe she will trade blows with Qyburn, but that's about it.
As for Tygett, the matter is not as clear cut as with the mages. He still served Tywin out of his free will and he could have ignored the compulsion long enough to defect and seek help. He did not though.
Things being as they are, there is no real way to excuse his actions as enchantment or to assign full blame to him, but even so, he still served Tywin loyally before the enchantment was added. So I'm cutting the difference and hold him responsible, but with a uniquely lenient punishment compared to literally everyone else.