A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Better late than never I guess. But they're probably mind-controled to fight so I doubt they will.
Edit: damn, I just thought of recalling our forces and just level the Red Keep, but I forgot about the servants and such.
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Who is with us right now?
Crake
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The OG squad. Dany, Lya and Richard.
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Anti magic field could ruin any trap they have no?
Crake
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Not necessarily.
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We should just vote for this, dude. This is what we made the Praetorians for and spent an obscene amount of money equipping them.
Also, bolts fired from a Launcher do 3d8 damage, as a Light Ballista, not 1d10. And they're all getting the +4 Enhancement bonus from Viserys' Magic Army spell, too, so the Golem DR isn't going to help.
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AMF could be part of their trap, since Golems work just fine in those.
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[X] Plan Trap Avoidance
-[X] Do not Teleport to the throne, but instead to the center of the throne room, behind your Praetori.
--[X] Sandor and Richard engage the Golems in close combat to relieve the Praetori.
--[X] Viserys casts Freezing Glance to stun hostile mages.
--[X] Lya uses Control Winds to create strong winds blowing from the entrance to the throne so that any noxious fumes produced by the dying golems are blown away from your forces and towards the Lannisters.
--[X] Dany casts Greater Dispel Magic on the throne in case any Shenanigans have been prepared there.
--[X] Maelor uses Chilling Tentacles to bind some of the golems.
-[X] Praetori Orders (to be implemented if not already being executed)
--[X] Most Praetori should take cover behind the pillars in the throne room to limit exposure to the ray attacks.
--[X] All Praetori not in close combat use their Launchers in the following ways:
---[X] Explosive Packs and Fungal Stun Vials fired at the casters to neutralise them.
---[X] Liquid Ice fired at the golems to keep them Slowed and causing damage.
---[X] Explosive Packs fired at the golems to cause damage.
---[X] Regular bolts (3d8+4, bypassing DR due to Magic Army) to cause damage.
--[X] Use Water and Earth elementals to support close combat.
--[X] Use Fire and Air elementals to attack the casters.
--[X] Praetori in close combat prioritize isolating and swarming the golems. (Praetori IS sword pierce the DR automatically, even without Magic Army)
--[X] Mage Killing Strategy:
---[X] If they put up defensive spells that diver launcher ammunition to a degree that attack by it is unfeasible, use Fire and Air elementals summoned by gem to bog them down in melee while advancing on their position to engage them in melee.
---[X] If not or if the protection can be bypassed by maneuvering, use Fungal Stund vials to stun or confuse them and fire Explosive Packs at them before closing into melee.
--[X] Golem Killing Strategy:
---[X] If golems need to be pinned for a moment to maneuver around them or to give wounded Praetori a chance to retreat out of melee, use Tanglefoot Bags fired from Launchers.
---[X] After the golem is Slowed by Liquid Ice and preferably already damaged by Explosive Pack or Launcher Bolts, summon a Earth or Air elemental behind it to keep it occupied and to prepare flanking.
---[X] A four person group made up ad-hoc from the more experienced squad leaders will charge the golem:
----[X] A nearby Praetori not participating in the charge uses Encouraging Roar to grant them a +2 Morale Bonus on ATK and DMG.
----[X] As a Swift Action, activate Brave Gambit, gaining a +3 Luck Bonus on the attack roll.
----[X] As a Full-Round Action, activate Panthera on the Hunt for a +2 Circumstance Bonus for the attack and damage roll while ignoring threatened areas.
----[X] Use the Primal Warrior stance to gain +1 Competence Bonus to ATK and DMG, and treat his weapon as 2 size categories larger.
----[X] Use Power Attack and Shock Trooper to take a -6 to AC while boosting damage by +18.
----[X] Due to Distracting Charge, every Praetori who resolves his attack after another charging Praetori has already hit the golem gets a stacking +2 Untyped bonus to his ATK for every Praetori that has already hit.
----[X] Due to the elemental providing flanking, they get a +2 Flanking bonus to ATK.
----[X] ATK: 6 (BAB) + 5 (STR) + 4 (Enhancement - Magic Army) + 2 (Charge) + 2 (Circumstance) + 3 (Luck) + 1 (Competence) + 2 (Morale) + 2 (Flanking) = 27
----[X] DMG: 3d8 (Base with Primal Warrior) + 5 (STR) + 4 (Enhancement) + 18 (Power Attack) + 2 (Morale) + 2 (Circumstance) + 1 (Competence) = 3d8 + 32
---[X] Once they are in melee, assuming the golem was not destroyed by the charge, they use their Dual Boost ability to initiate both Scarlet Eyes Perception and Regal Blade while dumping as much ATK by Power Attack as possible to maximize their damage while resolving their next attack against Touch AC.
-[X] Do not Teleport to the throne, but instead to the center of the throne room, behind your Praetori.
--[X] Sandor and Richard engage the Golems in close combat to relieve the Praetori.
--[X] Viserys casts Freezing Glance to stun hostile mages.
--[X] Lya uses Control Winds to create strong winds blowing from the entrance to the throne so that any noxious fumes produced by the dying golems are blown away from your forces and towards the Lannisters.
--[X] Dany casts Greater Dispel Magic on the throne in case any Shenanigans have been prepared there.
--[X] Maelor uses Chilling Tentacles to bind some of the golems.
-[X] Praetori Orders (to be implemented if not already being executed)
--[X] Most Praetori should take cover behind the pillars in the throne room to limit exposure to the ray attacks.
--[X] All Praetori not in close combat use their Launchers in the following ways:
---[X] Explosive Packs and Fungal Stun Vials fired at the casters to neutralise them.
---[X] Liquid Ice fired at the golems to keep them Slowed and causing damage.
---[X] Explosive Packs fired at the golems to cause damage.
---[X] Regular bolts (3d8+4, bypassing DR due to Magic Army) to cause damage.
--[X] Use Water and Earth elementals to support close combat.
--[X] Use Fire and Air elementals to attack the casters.
--[X] Praetori in close combat prioritize isolating and swarming the golems. (Praetori IS sword pierce the DR automatically, even without Magic Army)
--[X] Mage Killing Strategy:
---[X] If they put up defensive spells that diver launcher ammunition to a degree that attack by it is unfeasible, use Fire and Air elementals summoned by gem to bog them down in melee while advancing on their position to engage them in melee.
---[X] If not or if the protection can be bypassed by maneuvering, use Fungal Stund vials to stun or confuse them and fire Explosive Packs at them before closing into melee.
--[X] Golem Killing Strategy:
---[X] If golems need to be pinned for a moment to maneuver around them or to give wounded Praetori a chance to retreat out of melee, use Tanglefoot Bags fired from Launchers.
---[X] After the golem is Slowed by Liquid Ice and preferably already damaged by Explosive Pack or Launcher Bolts, summon a Earth or Air elemental behind it to keep it occupied and to prepare flanking.
---[X] A four person group made up ad-hoc from the more experienced squad leaders will charge the golem:
----[X] A nearby Praetori not participating in the charge uses Encouraging Roar to grant them a +2 Morale Bonus on ATK and DMG.
----[X] As a Swift Action, activate Brave Gambit, gaining a +3 Luck Bonus on the attack roll.
----[X] As a Full-Round Action, activate Panthera on the Hunt for a +2 Circumstance Bonus for the attack and damage roll while ignoring threatened areas.
----[X] Use the Primal Warrior stance to gain +1 Competence Bonus to ATK and DMG, and treat his weapon as 2 size categories larger.
----[X] Use Power Attack and Shock Trooper to take a -6 to AC while boosting damage by +18.
----[X] Due to Distracting Charge, every Praetori who resolves his attack after another charging Praetori has already hit the golem gets a stacking +2 Untyped bonus to his ATK for every Praetori that has already hit.
----[X] Due to the elemental providing flanking, they get a +2 Flanking bonus to ATK.
----[X] ATK: 6 (BAB) + 5 (STR) + 4 (Enhancement - Magic Army) + 2 (Charge) + 2 (Circumstance) + 3 (Luck) + 1 (Competence) + 2 (Morale) + 2 (Flanking) = 27
----[X] DMG: 3d8 (Base with Primal Warrior) + 5 (STR) + 4 (Enhancement) + 18 (Power Attack) + 2 (Morale) + 2 (Circumstance) + 1 (Competence) = 3d8 + 32
---[X] Once they are in melee, assuming the golem was not destroyed by the charge, they use their Dual Boost ability to initiate both Scarlet Eyes Perception and Regal Blade while dumping as much ATK by Power Attack as possible to maximize their damage while resolving their next attack against Touch AC.
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I guess I'll be doing that Praetorian update after all, not that I mind.
It will have to be tomorrow though. No way am I rolling complicated combat with unfamiliar stats this late.
It will have to be tomorrow though. No way am I rolling complicated combat with unfamiliar stats this late.
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Honestly, the update was quite vague about what's going on. It sounds like the Praetorians are taking a beating, but that's completely unavoidable when you suddenly find yourself fighting multiple CR 15 foes with magical support and their own prepared ground.
Praetorians have many possible tools which could allow them to slaughter the supporting Golden Shield mages and tarpit or damage the Gold Golems. On the other hand, this isn't a pretty white room scenario with clear sightlines and neutral terrain... Who knows what levels and wands the Golden Shields have? Who knows if columns are collapsing because our guys are throwing all their explosives around to beat the Golems down before the GS can heal them, or if things are collapsing because the GS trapped the place and caught Praetorians in those traps?
Still, the mention of toxic gas suggests that they did manage to kill at least one, which is very impressive!
Praetorians have many possible tools which could allow them to slaughter the supporting Golden Shield mages and tarpit or damage the Gold Golems. On the other hand, this isn't a pretty white room scenario with clear sightlines and neutral terrain... Who knows what levels and wands the Golden Shields have? Who knows if columns are collapsing because our guys are throwing all their explosives around to beat the Golems down before the GS can heal them, or if things are collapsing because the GS trapped the place and caught Praetorians in those traps?
Still, the mention of toxic gas suggests that they did manage to kill at least one, which is very impressive!
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Crake
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Goldfish
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Just what you have in the Praetorians page for the Initiates and Warlords.
I don't think they could actually be using the Warlord PC, though, not yet. Best case in the short time since they were recruited and upgraded, they've all retrained to Fighter. With all of the Legions to recruit from and the experience of many of those Legions, I think it's a fair assumption that every one of the first 1,000 Praetorians is at least 5th level. @DragonParadox?
No, they use regular Launchers. Launchers that aren't on a Wyvern or larger vessel can inflict up to 3d8 damage per bolt.
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That's why I'm bringing this up. I don't see a problem with them using Warlord in exchange for the rank and file using Initiate and the officers the regular sheet, but I'd need confirmation on that.
No, we had 3 variants.
Handheld Launchers - maximum 2 pounds of alchemicals or a Heavy Crossbow bolt for 1d10
Crew-Manned Launchers - light ballista bolts for 3d6 and 10 pounds, Praetori can use these without the usual tripod due to Monkey Grip
Mounted Launchers - Heavy Ballista bolts for 4d8 and no limits on munitions
At least that's the ruling I remember.
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To be clear, as far as I am concerned, a level 5 Fighter retraining makes sense to become a level 3 Warlord. The classes are that different in power.
And I'd rather avoid making an "interim" sheet for the Praetori just for this encounter and Casterly Rock.
It would be different if we can't use Warlord. Period. But not if we expect them to use Warlord in 2-3 months anyway.
Crake
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I agree with this. It seems like a lot of work for no real gain.
Richard has been working to adapt his skills to a usable level for years, at any rate, it stands to reason we have enough of a training pipeline put together for literally superhuman soldiers to trade tips and standardize a bit.
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That is some of Snowfire's proposed stuff, IIRC. As far as I know, all basic non-vehicle mounted Launchers inflict 3d8 damage based on the maximum size and weight of the projectile they can shoot. DP confirmed this shortly after I came up with Launchers.
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I certainly won't complain about that if DP is cool with it.