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The Dawn Empire was founded before all of that. It fell right after Heaven.
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I don't see how that conflicts with what I've got? I have the Dawn Empire being founded right after Heaven falls. From what we know it was mostly Heaven refugees trying to salvage something on Prime Material.
Vote closed.
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That's wrong though. The Dawn Empire was a contemporary and strong ally of Heaven.
Right after Heaven fell, the Dawn Empire was destroyed.
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Why are we doing this again?
We have Wizards, who are in 95% of the cases equal or superior to Wu Jen and need the same basic ressource of high-INT people willing to learn magic rather than rely on blessings or birthrights.
We have Wizards, who are in 95% of the cases equal or superior to Wu Jen and need the same basic ressource of high-INT people willing to learn magic rather than rely on blessings or birthrights.
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Oh, my bad. I brain farted there.
Why should we declare a single path superior and ignore every other? Even if wizard is stronger mechanically speaking there's nothing wrong with figuring out how to make shugenja.
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Because it gives us a deeper understanding of magic to explore other traditions and having a wide variety of them helps to avoid crippling overspecialization or institutional narrow-mindedness.
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🎶Dany's mom has got it going on~~
Edit: got Faceless'd by Crake.
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We know how Shugenja are made, by the blessing of the Kami and by chanelling their power.
Not that different from Clerics.
What we voted to research was making Wu-Jen and that from first principle, rather than looting a few and letting them teach.
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"It is important to draw wisdom from many different places. If we take it from only one place, it becomes rigid and stale."
— General Iroh of the Fire Nation
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Covering all the bases? Magical aptitude might not always lend itself to one particular class or another, even those which rely on the same casting stat. The more we know about magic, the better we'll be.
Also, the tradition might work better for Tritons in their native environment than traditional Wizardry, which has some impediments in that regard.
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Yeah, and I'm not seeing a problem with this.
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On the topic of over-specialization, should we develop some non magical tech and techniques in case Magic pull a disappearing act again?
Like a subsitute for coal, new non magical smelting technique, industrialization, assembly lines and such?
Edit: if you are wondering why I'm suggesting this, is because I just watch some Cyberpunk 2077 and Shadowrun lore videos.
Monke brain want magic gun go pew pew.
Like a subsitute for coal, new non magical smelting technique, industrialization, assembly lines and such?
Edit: if you are wondering why I'm suggesting this, is because I just watch some Cyberpunk 2077 and Shadowrun lore videos.
Monke brain want magic gun go pew pew.
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Hmm, in practical terms I don't think we are at any risk of overspecialisation.
With Bards, Sorcerers and Wizards for pure arcane and Duskblades and Magi for arcane Gish we have have everything in that direction covered.
Wu Jen only have very few spells Wizard's don't have.
Shugenja are somewhat more interesting on the divine side, as their ELement/Order system allows for some neat specialisations and Sense Elements might have applications.
I'm not against teaching people as Wu Jen if they are better suited for that, but I think it would be easier to get a trainer for them, than it is to start from scratch with a handfull Shugenja trying to teach their spells to people so they can cast it without the aid of the Kami. THat's like letting Lya invent the Archivist class, except none of our students is a Lya.
I'm not sure if that's all.
They might also require the active support of a Kami, similar to Clerics needing a divine power (until they don't need it anymore).
I guess the best bet to get Shugenja without (willing) Kami-assistance is asking the Yellow Emperor how his Shugenja keep their powers.
tarrangar
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As far as I have understood it, the Dawn Empire was Heaven slowly winning, the various infernal forces were being pushed back, the power of the Upper realm was growing, and if a great evil from beyond the known multiverse hadn't arrived, then Heaven and its allies were set to permanently get the upper hand in the war between good and evil.
Am I wrong about that, or were Heaven finally winning, right until evil got reinforcements even more terrible than themselves?
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Didn't we meet one of his Blood Magic using Shugenja whilst we were on an Auction on Hellven?
Considering his general animosity against Yi-Ti Prime, open adoption of the Title Sorcerer way before magic resurface, and the Shugenja's need for Divine Assitance...
...this makes the possibility of a sub-species/splinter-group of Kami that utilizes Blood Magic.
Which we, in turn (being the Pro-Blood Magic users that we are), could theoretically replicate as well!
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We are learning non-magical sciences as part of our research and development, but it's slow going because the starting tech base was so low and it's not really a priority. Our Alchemy (Chemistry) capabilities are quite advanced and continue to grow, and our material sciences are improving. We shortcut a lot of technological steps in our application of steam power, but there is already enough know how and general knowledge that it wouldn't take long to transition to a fully muggle version of the technology.
Magic won't be going anywhere any time soon, though. Certainly not in a timeframe to be relevant for nearly any being currently alive on Planetos except Viserys and those like him who are functionally immortal barring extreme violence or misadventure.
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AFAIK, the Yellow Dynasty has Dragon ancestry by marriage, so it could just be the case that they have traditional Sorcerer classes (as in, by preference, the Yellow Emps has been gathering mages from traditions we're more familiar with).
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Yep.
Considering the Yellow Emperor is stylized as a Sorcerer Lord it's a safe assumption to say that he's descended from the dragonlord and inherited some measure of her magic.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
There's no reason to make anything mundane anyway, magi-tech is great, we wont be getting our Dyson swarms anytime soon relying on just tech.
With magic though, we could probably begin building space habitats now, just need to figure out how to produce sufficient quantities of leadlined glass for radiation protection, then we just make a giant glass cube, and put it in orbit close enough to the sun, that the temperature is right, fill it partly up with soil, and from there we have a livable place, though for it to become a good place to live, we need to figure out some form of artificial gravity.
Update in beta.
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Thank for the info! Guess I just want for Planetos to go cyberpunk in Viserys life time.
God, can you imagine?
"The Year Is 420 I.A (Imperial Ascendancy). You're a technomancer who had just uncovered an Illithid conspiracy to kidnap high-ranking corpos for an unknown purpose. Normally this is something you just give to the Inquisition to deal with and maybe get some creds for your troubles.
The catch? His Fucking Majesty, Viserys Targaryen himself is in the video shaking hands with the squids while they hand him the corpos.
Now what?"
Edit: Just a scenario I cook up. Thoughts?
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Part MMMDCCXLIV: Of Shadows and Gold
Of Shadows and Gold
Thirtieth Day of the Fourth Month 294 AC
After assuring the young shugenja that you would find a place for him and his fellows in your service 'with the blessing of the Kami', specifically the Suijin which chooses to dwell among the tritons of the the Aquatic District, you turn to the affairs of more distant spirits, specifically those of stone.
First you converse with the representatives of House Adjar whom you find in very good spirits by virtue of all the potential commercial contacts the coronation gives them a chance to secure. From clever Westerosi lords, looking to cut out the middleman in the reagent and luxury trade, to Essosi magisters looking for expert advice in opening mines and securing the gifts of the earth, the trading House is expecting vast profits from the chance to approach so many potential customers from a position of trust and royal favor.
Since all of that is likely to make you tax revenue in the end you toast their success with all sincerity. You are not even surprised that the greatest contract among the Lords of Westeros went to Walder Frey who cut a deal to exchange honey from promised apiaries and dyes not commonly grown in Essos like yarrow, bloodroot, and smooth sumac. Though generally considered inferior to eastern dye by many merchants, some enterprising shaitan mage had realized that they actually hold the sorceries of earth and stone better, making them a better fit for the 'Garden-sourced dye' used in all manner of minor enchanted clothes and other accoutrements.
Even accounting for magic to give them a little extra luster in the eye of prospective customers, the price of such dyes will allow House Adjar to undercut the competition and will make Walder Frey even richer than he already is. One can almost hear the teeth grinding of his neighbors already...
Perhaps just as unsurprising they also have a business opportunity for you. Their surveyors had recently come upon a vast vein of aszite ore estimated at tens of thousands of tons of the rare metal. Alas, the gloom-shrouded cavern complex far from the common trade routes of the Endless Delve is also home to hideous worms who seek to lay their eggs in the flesh of their victims. Worse yet, the worms are not mere beasts but seemingly driven to their task by spectral entities known only as the owbs, which do not even leave bones behind on falling to be divined by.
"Attempts at communicating and reaching some sort of mutually satisfactory agreement have ended with our envoys being attacked and driven back with deadly force," Alyneah says, her precise diction doing little to hide her anger at the aggression of these shadow spirits. "With our current resources we cannot take the caverns and make use of the ore without ruinous expense, and there are no reasonable locals to draw upon for the task as is common practice. Therefore we are willing to offer up to 50% ownership of the mine in exchange for aid in securing it, potentially with the use of flesh-forged creations. We will handle the mining and transportation of the ore to market."
She shakes her head a little ruefully. "It is not exactly an adamantine deposit, but it is precious enough to be lucrative for years to come, perhaps all the more so for once such as yourself who makes use of dark fey and other weavers of shadow."
What do you reply?
[] Make a proposal
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[] Politely refuse the deal
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OOC: I know you guys wanted to get to the politics and war right away, but you did invite a merchant house so I thought a bit of a business opportunity might be interesting. Plus it gave me the chance to roll for Walder's luck in making a deal with the shaitan. He got very very lucky as seen above.
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