This isn't our problem, right now. It could be, later. But if we do intend on later conquering them, it's probably only going to become relevant then, unless they do something really stupid.
Yep. Until we pacify Westeros, conquer Qohor, and probably diplomance the rest of Sarnor and the Summer Islands, Yi Ti in general isn't our concern unless we get reports of the Bloodstone Emperor moving in force or something.

That said I am hoping to study the Five Forts at some point. There's probably some crazy good warding there.
 
Yeah. I like the Yi Ti rumor posts. Also, as far I see it,
I know we're not getting involved in it personally.
even this is optional. As @egoo has repeatedly mentioned, we are running out of adventure locations for level ~9-10 PCs, and Yi Ti could present some heretofore unforeseen ones for both loot and XP.

Though even then, there's probably going to be an upsurge in work for them in Westeros as our kicking over the anthill uproots all of the gribblies that were apparently waiting for some chaos and instability to wreak havoc come popping up.
 
Yeah. I like the Yi Ti rumor posts. Also, as far I see it,

even this is optional. As @egoo has repeatedly mentioned, we are running out of adventure locations for level ~9-10 PCs, and Yi Ti could present some heretofore unforeseen ones for both loot and XP.

Though even then, there's probably going to be an upsurge in work for them in Westeros as our kicking over the anthill uproots all of the gribblies that were apparently waiting for some chaos and instability to wreak havoc come popping up.
Not entirely true. There are a lot of barrows to hunt down and burn out in Westeros, and even on the off chance that's fixed, Sothoryos is a neverending source of adventure. So many ruins to loot, beasts to kill, etc etc.
 
Yeah. I like the Yi Ti rumor posts. Also, as far I see it,

even this is optional. As @egoo has repeatedly mentioned, we are running out of adventure locations for level ~9-10 PCs, and Yi Ti could present some heretofore unforeseen ones for both loot and XP.

Though even then, there's probably going to be an upsurge in work for them in Westeros as our kicking over the anthill uproots all of the gribblies that were apparently waiting for some chaos and instability to wreak havoc come popping up.
Even then, I'd vastly prefer to have our people do some useful work in Sarnor, Slavers Bay, the Summer Isles, Sothoryos or... basically any place where we are either looking to annex or to colonize.

Yi-Ti is offering us precisely nothing that makes me desire to prop up any side in their conflict.
 
-[X] Visiting the Violet: Track down the Violet Court, and ensure either their submission, them keeping out of Plane Material or their eradication.
----[X] Viserys, Richard, Zherys, Vee, Maelor, Amrelath, Mereth, Aife, x2 Myrkdreki, x2 Mighty Mind Dragons, x2 Vigilant Hunters, x12 Erinyes
-----[X] Essentially a lot of concentrated combat power, but no one essential to the functioning of the realm or its continued stability, or alternatively no one who wouldn't cause problems without Viserys' hand at the tiller who also couldn't afford to delegate their duties to a Companion at-need if away too long. This keeps the group light, fast and mobile. Worst case scenario, Viserys pops opens a Gate out of there (or to the other Group).
----[X] Renly (Cavalier 11), Lamora (Shadow Creature Vela Sorceress 6/ Arcane Savant 2), Veny (Erinat Gremlin Rogue 5), Cyril (Frost Giant Fighter 5)
-----[X] Group's interest is finding the information on the Real!Renly, they assume the new leader of the Veil holds it. In the worst case, they can be left behind, they are all capable of finding their way in the Feywild.
Renly's Skedadlle Squad added to the turnplan.

there's probably going to be an upsurge in work for them in Westeros as our kicking over the anthill uproots all of the gribblies that were apparently waiting for some chaos and instability to wreak havoc come popping up.
Big true.
But we're likely gonna be in need of a full revamp for Adventure Actions for non-Companions, once Westeros is pacified.
We've too many territories to have as few Adventures available as we do now, and too many characters to assign to show every possible Adventure in-detail, even entire Interlude's too much at times.

@Duesal, having DP roll through for all the barrows Westeros has (let's assume House of Mirrors and Inquisition work and recovering the lore from the Citadel would do it) alone would be worth a dozen Adventure!Actions for minions, if not two. Westeros is big.

And then there's also hella lengthy process of having every old battlefield scanned for remains, those dug up, and cremated...
And every graveyard, at that. And every family crypt.
Hm.
People gonna be pissed, but we objectively need to burn all the corpses present in Westeros as the Winter's coming - any way we can counter that PR-wise?
 
@Duesal, having DP roll through for all the barrows Westeros has (let's assume House of Mirrors and Inquisition work and recovering the lore from the Citadel would do it) alone would be worth a dozen Adventure!Actions for minions, if not two. Westeros is big.
That was my point? Westeros has 8,000+ years of barrows we need to burn out. That's going to keep adventurers busy for a very long time.
And then there's also hella lengthy process of having every old battlefield scanned for remains, those dug up, and cremated...
And every graveyard, at that. And every family crypt.
Hm.
People gonna be pissed, but we objectively need to burn all the corpses present in Westeros as the Winter's coming - any way we can counter that PR-wise?
"Don't be stupid, stupid. Burn that corpse."
 
@egoo, could you also assign some left-over minor assets to hold down the hill that the Court of Stars died on had it's main stronghold on?
I still want to keep that as an outpost in the Feywild for various reasons and holding it means we close off any chance for some pretender to claim succession of the Court of Stars.


On the matter of corpses, I'm always royally pissed at burial rites being taken wholesale from Christianity without reflection upon it, but with ASOIAF, it's more white hot rage due to how it makes negative sense in-universe. It's an actively and offensively dumb thing to bury bodies here.
 
@egoo, could you also assign some left-over minor assets to hold down the hill that the Court of Stars died on had it's main stronghold on?
I still want to keep that as an outpost in the Feywild for various reasons and holding it means we close off any chance for some pretender to claim succession of the Court of Stars.


On the matter of corpses, I'm always royally pissed at burial rites being taken wholesale from Christianity without reflection upon it, but with ASOIAF, it's more white hot rage due to how it makes negative sense in-universe. It's an actively and offensively dumb thing to bury bodies here.
Same here, I never understood it. You'd think a culture that survived an explicitly undead apocalypse would have the ultimate taboo against burials or catacombs or what have you.
 
@egoo, could you also assign some left-over minor assets to hold down the hill that the Court of Stars died on had it's main stronghold on?
I still want to keep that as an outpost in the Feywild for various reasons and holding it means we close off any chance for some pretender to claim succession of the Court of Stars.
Good enough?
[] 1x Wild Hunt Scout (CR 16), 2x Wild Hunt Archers (CR 14), 5x Heralds (CR 10), 10x Watchmoles (CR 6), 7x Vigilant Briars (CR 4), 100x Verdant Kingfishers, 10x Verdant Ravens, 50x Plant-Imbued Shadow Creature Cat (CR 6) 1x Verdant Phoenix (CR 15), 5x Advanced Sorcerer Creature Snapdragon Leshy (CR 10), 5x Guardian Nagas (CR 10), 10x Black Champions (CR 15), 200x Black Knights (Mobility Upgrade), 500x Spitter Swarms (buried around the location).
Everyone sans the Wild Hunt could be left as a permanent guard force (Wild Hunt works better as kill-teams afaik).
Lots of aerial surveillance, lots of undead meatshields, some fat leaders, and a lot of decent groun-surveillance (Watchcreatures and the cats) would make good defense from infiltration and opportunistic takeover alike..?
Also didn't include the Fey from the destroyed Red Court, for obvious reasons.
 
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[] 1x Wild Hunt Scout (CR 16), 2x Wild Hunt Archers (CR 14), 5x Heralds (CR 10), 10x Watchmoles (CR 6), 7x Vigilant Briars (CR 4), 100x Verdant Kingfishers, 10x Verdant Ravens, 50x Plant-Imbued Shadow Creature Cat (CR 6) 1x Verdant Phoenix (CR 15), 5x Advanced Sorcerer Creature Snapdragon Leshy (CR 10), 5x Guardian Nagas (CR 10), 10x Black Champions (CR 15), 200x Black Knights (Mobility Upgrade), 500x Spitter Swarms (buried around the location).
Everyone sans the Wild Hunt could be left as a permanent guard force (Wild Hunt works better as kill-teams afaik)
Also didn't include the Fey from the destroyed Red Court, for obvious reasons.
Add 5 squads of Praetori (45 total) and we are good.
 
Same here, I never understood it. You'd think a culture that survived an explicitly undead apocalypse would have the ultimate taboo against burials or catacombs or what have you.
You know how it goes: Survive the Cryozombie Apocalypse, 20 or 30 years go by without a resurgence, people start relaxing their terror-puckered buttholes, a few more years go by and most of the original survivors have been replaced by their spoiled, entitled children who didn't have to battle Wights barefoot in the snow on the way to school each day (uphill both ways, of course), and all of a sudden it seems like a great idea to start burying their dead again, likely in defiance of the monsters they heard of in the childhood stories their parents told them.

"We're not afraid of you, Snowboogeyman! And to prove it..."
 
Permanently. As in, they stay there until specifically pulled for other duties.
Done, then:
[X] The Hill Fey Chose to Die On: The location of the former main stronghold of the COurt of Stars is of interest to you as a future outpost into the Feywild. Protecting it from an opportunistic takeover by any locals is but good sense now.
----[X] 1x Wild Hunt Scout (CR 16), 2x Wild Hunt Archers (CR 14), 5x Heralds (CR 10), 10x Watchmoles (CR 6), 7x Vigilant Briars (CR 4), 100x Verdant Kingfishers, 10x Verdant Ravens, 50x Plant-Imbued Shadow Creature Cat (CR 6) 1x Verdant Phoenix (CR 15), 5x Advanced Sorcerer Creature Snapdragon Leshy (CR 10), 5x Guardian Nagas (CR 10), 10x Black Champions (CR 15), 200x Black Knights (Mobility Upgrade), 500x Spitter Swarms (buried around the location), 5x Praetori Squads (Total of 45 Praetori deployed).
 
Same here, I never understood it. You'd think a culture that survived an explicitly undead apocalypse would have the ultimate taboo against burials or catacombs or what have you.
There is nothing to understand there. There is simply no IC reason for it. Burial rites are tied deeply to religious beliefs and usually completely dominated by them in absence of strong outside motivators such as disease, famine, cramped conditions, etc. Now look at how fleshed out the Red Faith and the Faith of the Seven are in canon. Pretty much not at all.

Most fantasy setting are stand-ins for medieval Europe, or more precisely the romanticized image of medieval Europa created during the Romantic era, and thus, in absence of any specific world-building on a topic, will default to that baseline. Hence people in Westeros being buried whole in the ground or in ossuaries. The exception to the rule are Hoster Tully (viking boat funeral, which is also common in fantasy) and the Targaryens (cremation, as part of the fire theme and to other-ise them).
 
For whatever it is worth, Stark burial practices might have some kind of thaumaturgical reason for them. We don't really know the full extent of Winterfell's inherent magic, likely there's a lot of functionality not being used still, and I believe there's some significant ties between Stark and the Ice Fey we are missing still.

But I subscribe to the belief that Andals brought the whole "stop cremating bodies" practice to Westeros more recently for everyone else in general, or as @DragonParadox pointed out, after a certain point bodies stop becoming useful material to raise dead with, which is why the Others aren't going to be bringing down a horde of millions of low tier wights.
 
or as @DragonParadox pointed out, after a certain point bodies stop becoming useful material to raise dead with, which is why the Others aren't going to be bringing down a horde of millions of low tier wights.
Only the no-name ones.
Kings of ages past will always remain fodder for Necromancers, which is why specific barrows are the problem, not random fields behind some village.
 
For whatever it is worth, Stark burial practices might have some kind of thaumaturgical reason for them. We don't really know the full extent of Winterfell's inherent magic, likely there's a lot of functionality not being used still, and I believe there's some significant ties between Stark and the Ice Fey we are missing still.

But I subscribe to the belief that Andals brought the whole "stop cremating bodies" practice to Westeros more recently for everyone else in general, or as @DragonParadox pointed out, after a certain point bodies stop becoming useful material to raise dead with, which is why the Others aren't going to be bringing down a horde of millions of low tier wights.
That's a Watsonian justification for a Doylist fuck-up though.

Which is fine when you are actively trying to patch glaring plot-holes, but beside the point when discussing how that hole was made in the first place.
 
Which is fine when you are actively trying to patch glaring plot-holes, but beside the point when discussing how that hole was made in the first place.
As @Duesal would say: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

GRRM cared more about characters than writing a setting that needed more than a veneer of mystery and borrowing some fantasy tropes from other media. And the story itself is mostly trying to explore those perspectives in kludged together pseudohistorical scenarios.

I think this is not just a problem endemic to ASOIAF, which I sincerely doubt people read for the world building.

Tons of fantasy settings do not make such world building and research of the subjects requisite for it a priority, even really popular ones. In fact, there might be an inverse association for a nuanced, well-researched fantasy setting achieving world wide recognition and one that spent more time on shocking twists and drama.
 
As @Duesal would say: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

GRRM cared more about characters than writing a setting that needed more than a veneer of mystery and borrowing some fantasy tropes from other media. And the story itself is mostly trying to explore those perspectives in kludged together pseudohistorical scenarios.

I think this is not just a problem endemic to ASOIAF, which I sincerely doubt people read for the world building.

Tons of fantasy settings do not make such world building and research of the subjects requisite for it a priority, even really popular ones. In fact, there might be an inverse association for a nuanced, well-researched fantasy setting achieving world wide recognition and one that spent more time on shocking twists and drama.
1. I just wanted to point out that, while your argument is sensible, it's technically a tangent to what I was talking about.

2. I feel personally attacked by this post. A lot. Very. Brutally so, in fact.
 
1. I just wanted to point out that, while your argument is sensible, it's technically a tangent to what I was talking about.

2. I feel personally attacked by this post. A lot. Very. Brutally so, in fact.
Also just pointing out that, surprisingly, readers of fantasy aren't people with predominantly nerdy interests, outside of surface level interest. Meaning I guess people would associate Game of Thrones and George's other novels as "fantasy-adjacent", since there are obviously good settings out there that don't require angry rants every few pages once something else poorly researched or thought out comes up.

I also know you have strong feelings about people just grabbing blindly for Tolkien.
 
I also know you have strong feelings about people just grabbing blindly for Tolkien.
It's not that. It's this:
I think this is not just a problem endemic to ASOIAF, which I sincerely doubt people read for the world building.

Tons of fantasy settings do not make such world building and research of the subjects requisite for it a priority, even really popular ones. In fact, there might be an inverse association for a nuanced, well-researched fantasy setting achieving world wide recognition and one that spent more time on shocking twists and drama.
 
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