The reactions mostly seem to be based on how powerful he's likely to be, and they're right that he's be a formidable opponent in a way.

I don't agree that he's ever been a presence, much less that he is one now. If we were still in the early days sure, but he's never been involved in anything related to us. He has hooks to get him back here, but at this point he's so divorced from what's been happening that adding Euron isn't really that different than having a mythic whatsit pop into the plane following one of our extraplanar supply chains and deciding to try a bit of conquest.
Yeah, I wasn't making myself very clear. You're right, "presence" implies a degree of agency and history that he doesn't have. What I was trying to convey was that he seems like...a rumor, I guess. No one's ever seen him, or hasn't for a long time, yet everyone hears about the effects of his actions. That kind of thing gets built up, and increases expectations about his capabilities. At least, it did for me. But Crake's right...the hell with it. Let him come, and to quote Budd from one MY favorite movies, "I guess we'll...just see. Won't we?"
 
Honestly, I wouldn't mind Euton ascending to godhood.
Gods are notoriously more limited than mortals, for all the power-up he'll have from it.
What he'd even do to us, if he's a god of Piracy or somesuch?
Our waters (and airlines) are some of the best-defended across the planes, he'd have muuuuuch work ahead of him to affect that.

Of course, I doubt he'll even ascend.
The Efreeti Boss tried to do that for millenia now, and had a lot more resources than Euron.

High-Mythic enemy he is, he's probably the most dangerous single-encointer enemy we can try to take on right now, save going to the shitfests like Heart of Winterlands/The Bloodstone Emperor's doorstep/City of Brass...
 
Of course, I doubt he'll even ascend.
The Efreeti Boss tried to do that for millenia now, and had a lot more resources than Euron.
Euron is propably willing to go out and fight a weakened God, or maybe Empyreal Lord since he is in Elysium, and then eat it.

The Sultan, for all his power and ressources, seems to be doing the usual "Orcus on his throne" bullshit, which is a much slower way to power than risking everything on the Mystic Path of the Murderhobo.
 
Unless an outside force acts, the Reconquest will be like the WW2 German occupation of Hungary.
-How long will it take the Wehrmacht to reach Budapest?
-24 hours.
-And if the Hungarians resist?
-12 hours. The welcoming speeches will be canceled.
 
Part MMMDCLXII: Rumors of Yi Ti
Rumors of Yi Ti

First Day of the Fourth Month 294 AC

Golden Death: The investigation of the reputable Ling Ti, Emerald Magistrate under the authority of the Throne in Yin, has come to an unexpected and brutal end when the investigator's body was found floating in the Ulai River seemingly wracked by poisons without number. It is said that he was slain by a Gu worm, fabled bringers of wealth and death conjured by some unscrupulous alchemist of low cunning. Several such unsavory herbalists have been executed by the local magnates in ways gruesome enough to turn a sailor's stomach.

Given what Ling Ti was investigating, the curse and subsequent death of the Crane Lord, many in Yin doubt that the young Magistrate's death could have been caused by some petty poisoner. There are some in court arguing for an even stronger delegation to the too-independent western province, though others caution sending too many of the wise and good chasing shadows in the far flung corners of the Empire when there are so many problems closer to home.

Fraying Threads: The pact between the Warlord Izril and Him proclaimed the Orange Emperor, posited to launch a tide of destruction into the heartlands of the Empire just as harvest was underway, is already starting to show cracks with three prominent monasteries withdrawing their support for Pol Qo and entering isolation. On the other side of the scales the foreigners' demand for arms and armor from imperial storehouses was grudgingly accepted though the time to train with and make best use of these weapons will test Izril's skills to forge a true army from the disparate bands.

On Brazen Wings: Though the province of Jinqui at the easternmost edge of the Empire has been quintessence under the dominion of the Azure Throne there have been rumors of strange beasts that would carry off livestock and even hunt and slay lone travelers as early as the beginning of the year. Still, it was a long way to Yin and the court had other matters to see to even when whole villages began to fall to silent bloody ruin.

All this changed when a local hunter managed by guile and trickery to slay one of these elusive monsters and carry its corpse by ship and by road before the sight of an imperial official. The Wu Jen identified the corpse as a dragonne, possessed of the ferocity of the lion and power of a dragon, and rewarded the hunter handsomely for his deed.


None however had been prepared for the command of the young Emperor. Incensed by the suffering of his people so long ignored by the local governor he commanded his removal at once and sent an expedition to the province to deal with the beasts once and for all. In that company traveled not only shugenja, beloved of the kami, and Wu Jen masters, but also fledgling scholars of maho. Tales tell that while scores of the creatures were slain others were bound with the arts of blood meaning to make of them servants of the Golden Empire and talons of the Emperor. Yet dragonne are no mere beasts for all their savage ways, that you know for certain, creatures at the edge of the Dream. Murderers they may be, but do they deserve to be enslaved? Worst still, can the same be said of their descendants down through the ages?

OOC: You don't know the exact numbers of bound dragonnes since these are just rumors and not reports, no inquisitors in the far flung corners of Yi Ti.
 
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Rumor posts! I love them!
Tales tell that while scores of the creatures were slain others were bound with the arts of blood meaning to make of them servants of the Golden Empires and talons of the Emperor. Yet dragonne are no mere beasts for all their savage ways, that you know for certain, creatures at the edge of the Dream. Murderers they may be, but do they deserve to be enslaved? Worst still can the same de said of their descendants down though the ages.
I'd never really thought of that aspect of things - but Flesh Forges are also convenient for avoiding the ethical issues of supplementing your army with monsters! None of that "kidnap their babies to raise them as your servants" or "use mind-control on sentient beings" bullshit when you can create sentient minions wholesale!
 
Rumors of Yi Ti

First Day of the Fourth Month 294 AC

Golden Death: The investigation of the reputable Ling Ti, Emerald Magistrate under the authority of the Throne in Yin, had come to an unexpected and brutal end when the investigator's body was found floating in the Ulai river, seemingly wracked by poisons without number. It is said that he was slain by a Gu worm, fabled bringers of wealth and death, conjured by some unscrupulous alchemist of low cunning. Several such unsavory herbalists have been executed by the local magnates in ways gruesome enough to turn a sailor's stomach.

Given what Ling Ti was investigating, the curse and subsequent death of the Crane Lord, many in Yin doubt that the young Magistrate's death could have been caused by some petty poisoner. There are some in court arguing for an even stronger delegation to the too-independent western province, though others caution spending too many of the wise and good chasing shadows in the far flung corners of the Empire when there are so many problems closer to home.

Fraying Threads: The pact between the Warlord Izril and Him proclaimed Orange Emperor, posited to launch a tide of destruction into the heartlands of the Empire just as harvest was underway, is already starting to show cracks with three prominent monasteries withdrawing their support for Pol Qo and entering isolation. On the other side of the scales, the foreigner's demand for arms and armor from imperial storehouses was grudgingly accepted, though the time to train with and make best use of these weapons will test Izril's skills to forge a true army from the disparate bands.

On Brazen Wings: Although the province of Jinqui, at the easternmost edge of the Empire, has been quiescent under the dominion of the Azure throne, rumors had been spreading of strange beasts that would carry off livestock and even hunt and slay lone travelers as early as the beginning of the year. Still, it was a long way to Yin and the court had other matters to see to, even when whole villages began to fall to silent bloody ruin.

All this changed when a local hunter managed, by guile and trickery, to slay one of these elusive monsters and carry its corpse by ship and by road before the sight of imperial official. The Wu Jen identified the corpse as a dragonne, possessed of the ferocity of the lion and power of a dragon, and rewarded the hunter handsomely for his deed.


None however had been prepared for the command of the young emperor. Incensed by the suffering of his people so long ignored by the local governor, he commanded his removal at once and sent an expedition to the province to deal with the beasts once and for all. In that company traveled not only shugenja, beloved of the kami, and Wu Jen masters, but also fledgling scholars of maho. Tales tell that while scores of the creatures were slain, others were bound with the arts of blood meaning to make of them servants of the Golden Empire and talons of the Emperor. Yet dragonne are no mere beasts for all their savage ways, that you know for certain, creatures at the edge of the Dream. Murderers they may be, but do they deserve to be enslaved? Worst still can the same be said of their descendants down through the ages.

OOC: You don't know the exact numbers of bound dragonnes since these are just rumors and not reports, no inquisitors in the far flung corners of Yi Ti. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
 
Yet dragonne are no mere beasts for all their savage ways, that you know for certain, creatures at the edge of the Dream. Murderers they may be, but do they deserve to be enslaved? Worse still can the same de said of their descendants down though the ages.
Not our territory, not our problem. If the Azure Emperor is smart he'll find a way to free those things and have them serve him willingly. A slave is always the most treacherous servant.
 
Not our territory, not our problem. If the Azure Emperor is smart he'll find a way to free those things and have them serve him willingly. A slave is always the most treacherous servant.
INT 6 beasts though, are likely to stay under control if his mages do a decent job.
Not like he's trying to enslave powerful casters or stuff like that.
 
INT 6 beasts though, are likely to stay under control if his mages do a decent job.
Not like he's trying to enslave powerful casters or stuff like that.
They are, but on the off chance an enemy mage dispels the controlling magic those INT 6 beasts will seize the moment for revenge.

But either way, this really isn't our problem.
 
These are blood magic bindings based on old dragon taming magic. A simple dispel won't to anything.
They're far better slavers than I realized then. 🤔 That aside, all that talk about looking into blood magic 'so they could better counter it' was a load of crap after all. They must have recognized power for what it was and decided to fight fire with fire.
 
They are, but on the off chance an enemy mage dispels the controlling magic those INT 6 beasts will seize the moment for revenge.

But either way, this really isn't our problem.
We don't need to launch a crusade, but some expressing some official displeasure and keeping an eye on where they go from here wouldn't be amiss.

Given the way they went from no blood magic to enslaving sapient brings with it right off the bat I'm concerned they might go full edge lord with it. It's like people who're raised in an incredibly strict household and then go hog wild when they get out; oftentimes they don't pick up moderation until they've fucked something up pretty badly.
 
We don't need to launch a crusade, but some expressing some official displeasure and keeping an eye on where they go from here wouldn't be amiss.

Given the way they went from no blood magic to enslaving sapient brings with it right off the bat I'm concerned they might go full edge lord with it. It's like people who're raised in an incredibly strict household and then go hog wild when they get out; oftentimes they don't pick up moderation until they've fucked something up pretty badly.
I'm fairly sure slavery always existed in Yi Ti, it was just never on the same level as the Free Cities or Slaver's Bay, rather than them jumping from some pure no blood magic stance to yay slavery.

Either way this isn't the most pressing thing to be spending our political capital in Yi Ti on. A foreign barbarian king throwing around his weight will not be appreciated and will set back a lot of other plans.
 
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I'm fairly sure slavery always existed in Yi Ti, it was just never on the same level as the Free Cities or Slaver's Bay, rather than them jumping from some pure no blood magic stance to yay slavery.
I'm not sure about that, but even if that's the case enslaving someone with blood magic is pretty brutal. Sudden break aways from strong taboos can lead to the sort of "what rules?" attitude I'm worried about, even if they only technically accomplish something that was already legal.

This change is also of more because it's likely justified by the targets not being human or kami. Yi-Ti is already xenophobic enough without getting a stronger push in that direction. Long term diplomacy would suffer if they got used to fitting people outside their narrow band of "good" species for chains. It doesn't have to go that way, but it's worth tracking and trying to discourage that sentiment.
 
I'm not sure about that, but even if that's the case enslaving someone with blood magic is pretty brutal. Sudden break aways from strong taboos can lead to the sort of "what rules?" attitude I'm worried about, even if they only technically accomplish something that was already legal.

This change is also of more because it's likely justified by the targets not being human or kami. Yi-Ti is already xenophobic enough without getting a stronger push in that direction. Long term diplomacy would suffer if they got used to fitting people outside their narrow band of "good" species for chains. It doesn't have to go that way, but it's worth tracking and trying to discourage that sentiment.
I don't know about that. Them going headfirst down the Bloodstone Emperor's path seems unlikely to say the least even if they are dipping their toe into the blood magic pool.

It's possible, sure, I just don't see them going off the deep end. It looks more like they're carefully seeing what they can safely use blood magic for. Slavery of sentient beasts just happens to be one of those things.
 
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Why exactly do we even care? Yi-Ti is still dissolving in a drawn out civil war, so odds are that the further breakdown of norms and institutions there is just a matter of time.

And beneficial for us, since it makes the area easier to take over.
 
Why exactly do we even care? Yi-Ti is still dissolving in a drawn out civil war, so odds are that the further breakdown of norms and institutions there is just a matter of time.

And beneficial for us, since it makes the area easier to take over.
That too. This straight up is not our problem.
 
This isn't our problem, right now. It could be, later. But if we do intend on later conquering them, it's probably only going to become relevant then, unless they do something really stupid.
 
The binding of the Dragonne is noteworthy, but I'm much more interested in the events surrounding the assassination of the Crane Lord and the death of the Emerald Magistrate investigating it.

I know we're not getting involved in it personally. Just gonna wait for the next round of Yi-Ti rumors to see how the situation develops.
 
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