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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] Try to Summon the next demon to see if this repeats
-[X] If this occurs again, Viserys will use Celerity to cast a Mythic Maximized Time Stop spell to allow himself and Lya to closely examine the effect for a full 30 seconds as soon as it begins.
--[X] If this doesn't reveal the cause, halt Summonings for the day and use Divinations to attempt to determine the cause. Is it a targeted effect, limited to Brimoraks, due to repeated Summonings in a fixed location, etc?
---[X] If the cause cannot be determined, instead have the mages begin Summoning Vulnadaemons to determine if other types of Outsiders are being affected.
 
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DragonParadox said:
You don't know if it's true death, Lya just thinks it's possible.
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True Death sounds like it would be MORE expensive and time-consuming to ensure, especially if you were processing countless fiendish peons one after another.

Does it use its own HD as fuel to fulfill that, using the unique conceptual ties with a patron who has power over the domain of Destruction? For Demons, Destruction is a more common domain than Death, and Destruction is not death, it is a change in energetic state.

Therefore one can surmise by your blatant "maybe it is maybe it isn't" that it isn't True Death. What is happening is Demonic Energy is being used for fuel for something destructive. It may even be as simple as ensuring a very efficient death that leaves no useful reagents (the corpse) behind, not just no useful soul energy.
 
Goldfish said:
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Can you nest your vote so we don't waste an update quibbling over what will happen when we could just as easily be OOCly informed if this will just happen again?


Like what are we going to do if it does happen again, exactly as before? What if it only happens sometimes?
 
Goldfish said:
One more slight change that is needed would be in the voting options, since the dedicated Summoning action using Lesser Planar Binding rather than the accelerated Summoning being conducted by Viserys and Lya, is going to take place in the Snare, as @egoo noted above.

We're also Summoning Demons instead of Daemons.
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Fixed, this is a minor summoning in a demiplane, it still uses ooze to petrify unless I'm misreading something.
 
Use Celerity and Mythic Timestomp in the moment the Demon unravels. That gives Lya a few hours to figure out what is happening.
 
@DragonParadox We've summoned stuff repeatedly before, and in the same place, and never had this issue, and it is warded against divination.

So what's taken issue? Is it because a conjurer isn't using his own magic, and instead an item is being leveraged?

I just feel like this is a bit contrived, and unrealistic to expect most anyone to be able to guard against random summoning, meaning it's not a protection woven over every demon, it's specifically a protection against either the method, or the location.

Can we figure out which with divination?

I just... this doesn't interest me. This seems like a logistical challenge the people we put in charge of the basic summoning scheme already have the resources to figure out and then deal with, unless for some reason on defiance of all comprehension our past activities are only now coming back to bite us in the ass when we actually need HD on a larger scale.

Do you want us to raid the Abyss? I mean, I'll fucking do it, but I won't have any fun. And that's the real tragedy here, isn't it?
 
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Azel said:
Use Celerity and Mythic Timestomp in the moment the Demon unravels. That gives Lya a few hours to figure out what is happening.
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Yeah, I'd do this. If she can't figure it out from that, I'm doubling down on my "raid the abyss" plan, because I'd rather not waste time.
 
[X] Continue summoning, use Celerity and a Mythic Timestop the moment the Demon starts unravelling, have Lya analyze the effect, it's source, etc.

Azel said:
Mythic Timestomp
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And yeh, I double Crake's worry over this being 'just' tacked on.

We coildn't have moved far enough with summoning literally endless low-level, objectively worthless Demons to grab anyone's attention, now could've we?

We summoned stuff in the background in far larger numbers before with no interference whatsoever :/
 
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Crake said:
and it is warded against divination.
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It is warded against regular magic, demonlords or gods can get through that if they pay attention.

We know we have pissed off two major powers in the Abyss, Tiamat and Abraxas. Might be that one sees a chance in our current work?
It's not that we have to be drawing someone's attention when we already have it.
 
Goldfish said:
[X] Try to Summon the next demon to see if this repeats
-[X] If this occurs again, Viserys will use Celerity to cast a Mythic Maximized Time Stop spell to allow himself and Lya to closely examine the effect for a full 30 seconds as soon as it begins.
--[X] If this doesn't reveal the cause, halt Summonings for the day and use Divinations to attempt to determine the cause. Is it a targeted effect, limited to Brimoraks, due to repeated Summonings in a fixed location, etc?
---[X] If the cause cannot be determined, instead have the mages begin Summoning Vulnadaemons to determine if other types of Outsiders are being affected.
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Plan updated.
 
[X] Goldfish

And I have a feeling there is some shenanigans from someone again. Random Demon #724 isn't going to randomly combust in a manner that might/might not be true death. Who do we know that wants to mess with us that can play demon whack-a-mole?
 
Alright, simple solution that another thread has tought me:

Who is responsible for messing with our mass summoning:

1. It was just a fluke.
2. Tiamat still hates you.
3. Abraxas has a certain Incantation to tell you.
4. Actually Bahamut has fallen and now works with his sister against us.
5. It's all Asmodeus plot, always has been.
6. Abyss is more void-infested than expected and the Great Other is taking action.


Edit: Well, what do you say to that. Just bad luck, demon had a case of spontaneous implosion.
Artemis1992 threw 1 6-faced dice. Reason: THE TRUTH! Total: 1
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Artemis1992 said:
It is warded against regular magic, demonlords or gods can get through that if they pay attention.

We know we have pissed off two major powers in the Abyss, Tiamat and Abraxas. Might be that one sees a chance in our current work?
It's not that we have to be drawing someone's attention when we already have it.
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Eh, maybe.
Would feel somewhat contrived, we summoned a lot of stuff...

But I suppose we havent ever summoned non-specific Demkns either.

Eh.
[X] Goldfish
Artemis1992 said:
Alright, simple solution that another thread has tought me:

Who is responsible for messing with our mass summoning:

1. It was just a fluke.
2. Tiamat still hates you.
3. Abraxas has a certain Incantation to tell you.
4. Actually Bahamut has fallen and now works with his sister against us.
5. It's all Asmodeus plot, always has been.
6. Abyss is more void-infested than expected and the Great Other is taking action.
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Welp, there we go.

OR IS THE DICE A PART OF THE CONSPIRACY ALL ALONG?!
 
@Crake, I'm perfectly fine with taking the Dauntless for a spin in Avernus and only coming home when the cargo hold is full of demon statuettes.
 
@DragonParadox, note, that you gave the estimate of "up to fourth day of the 3rd month, maybe more" for us 'summoning' the high-CR Daemon encountered in Sarnor.
How have the rolls fared, now that we passed the soft deadline for summoning and entered pure RNG?
 
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Azel said:
@Crake, I'm perfectly fine with taking the Dauntless for a spin in Avernus and only coming home when the cargo hold is full of demon statuettes.
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Long as we keep on summoning back at home base with a Lya or two for maximised efficiency, you'll find no complaints from me.

Less efficient surely, but at least very "Red Dragon" as a problem-solving when the "sensible" approach of industrialized summonjng and blood sacrifice fails.
Mjnd, I just don't think we can bag all the bodies there before staying there becomes too much of a hassle, that is all.
 
Azel said:
@Crake, I'm perfectly fine with taking the Dauntless for a spin in Avernus and only coming home when the cargo hold is full of demon statuettes.
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I don't think that would be a good idea until we have a few less irons in the fire.

Well, that and the Dauntless won't be ready until the 3rd month is done.
 
Crake said:
@DragonParadox We've summoned stuff repeatedly before, and in the same place, and never had this issue, and it is warded against divination.

So what's taken issue? Is it because a conjurer isn't using his own magic, and instead an item is being leveraged?

I just feel like this is a bit contrived, and unrealistic to expect most anyone to be able to guard against random summoning, meaning it's not a protection woven over every demon, it's specifically a protection against either the method, or the location.

Can we figure out which with divination?

I just... this doesn't interest me. This seems like a logistical challenge the people we put in charge of the basic summoning scheme already have the resources to figure out and then deal with, unless for some reason on defiance of all comprehension our past activities are only now coming back to bite us in the ass when we actually need HD on a larger scale.

Do you want us to raid the Abyss? I mean, I'll fucking do it, but I won't have any fun. And that's the real tragedy here, isn't it?
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  1. I get this but I think that the logistics of summoning on this scale and the dangers thereof deserve to be investigated at least briefly. It also a allows me to foreshadow some stuff for the major summoning. Having a major attack there without any issues previously just feels random to me.
  2. You can actually use divination to help with this but since it is the sort of thing that takes skill checks it's not going to be solved instantly by it
 
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